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Suspect jailed in Kansas abortion doctor's killing
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Slideshow:Abortion doctor shot to death  Play Video Video:Murder in the Church ABC News  Play Video Videoolice: Suspect in custody in Tiller shooting AP By ROXANA HEGEMAN, Associated Press Writer Roxana Hegeman, Associated Press Writer – 2 hrs 49 mins ago
WICHITA, Kan. – A man suspected of fatally shooting abortion doctor George Tiller in church was in jail Monday while investigators sought to learn more about his background, including his possible connections to anti-abortion groups.

Tiller, 67, was serving as an usher during morning services Sunday when he was shot in the foyer of Reformation Lutheran Church, police said. The gunman fired one shot at Tiller and threatened two other people who tried to stop him.

The suspect, identified by one law enforcement agency as Scott Roeder, was taken into custody some 170 miles away in a Kansas City suburb about three hours after the shooting.

Tiller had been a lightning rod for abortion opponents for decades. The women's clinic he ran is one of three in the nation where abortions are performed after the 21st week of pregnancy, when the fetus is considered viable, and has been the site of repeated protests for about two decades. A protester shot Tiller in both arms in 1993, and his clinic was bombed in 1985.

Roeder, 51, was returned to Wichita and was being held without bail on one count of first-degree murder and two counts of aggravated assault. Formal charges were expected to be filed Monday.

In Washington, the U.S. Marshals Service said that as a result of Tiller's shooting, Attorney General Eric Holder had ordered it to "increase security for a number of individuals and facilities" in the country. Jeff Carter, U.S. Marshals spokesman, said he could not disclose details.

A man with the same name as the suspect has a criminal record and a background of anti-abortion postings on sympathetic Web sites. In one post written in 2007 on the Web site for Operation Rescue, a group that closely followed Tiller's work and legal troubles in recent years, a man identifying himself as Scott Roeder asked if anyone had thought of attending Tiller's church to ask the doctor and other worshippers about his work.

But police said Sunday that all early indications showed the shooter acted alone. Operation Rescue condemned the killing as vigilantism and "a cowardly act." The president of the group told The New York Times that Roeder was "not a friend, not a contributor, not a volunteer."

In 1996, a 38-year-old man named Scott Roeder was charged in Topeka with criminal use of explosives for having bomb components in his car trunk and sentenced to 24 months of probation. However, his conviction was overturned on appeal the next year after a higher court said evidence against Roeder was seized by law enforcement officers during an illegal search of his car.

At the time, police said the FBI had identified Roeder as a member of the anti-government Freemen group, an organization that kept the FBI at bay in Jordan, Mont., for almost three months in 1995-96. Authorities on Sunday night would not immediately confirm if their suspect was the same man.

Morris Wilson, a commander of the Kansas Unorganized Citizens Militia in the mid-1990s, told The Kansas City Star he knew Roeder fairly well.

"I'd say he's a good ol' boy, except he was just so fanatic about abortion," Wilson said. "He was always talking about how awful abortion was. But there's a lot of people who think abortion is awful."

In May 2007, someone posting to the Web site of the anti-abortion group Operation Rescue used the name "Scott Roeder" in response to a scheduled vigil to "pray for an end to George R. Tiller's late-term abortion business."

"Bleass everyone for attending and praying in May to bring justice to Tiller and the closing of his death camp," the posting read. "Sometime soon, would it be feasible to organize as many people as possible to attend Tillers church (inside, not just outside) to have much more of a presence and possibly ask questions of the Pastor, Deacons, Elders and members while there? Doesn't seem like it would hurt anything but bring more attention to Tiller."

The slaying quickly brought condemnation from both anti-abortion and pro-choice groups, as well as President Barack Obama.

"However profound our differences as Americans over difficult issues such as abortion, they cannot be resolved by heinous acts of violence," Obama said in a statement.

Wichita Deputy Police Chief Tom Stolz said that Tiller apparently did not have a bodyguard with him in church, although the doctor was routinely accompanied by one. An attorney for Tiller, Dan Monnat, said the doctor's wife, Jeanne, was in the choir at the time of the shooting.

Monnat said in early May that Tiller had asked federal prosecutors to step up investigations of vandalism and other threats against the clinic out of fear that the incidents were increasing and that Tiller's safety was in jeopardy. However, Stolz said authorities knew of no threats connected to the shooting.

Adam Watkins, a 20-year-old who said he has attended the church his entire life, said he was sitting in the middle of the congregation when he heard a small pop at the start of the service.

"We just thought a child had come in with a balloon and it had popped, had gone up and hit the ceiling and popped," Watkins said.

Another usher came in and told the congregation to remain seated, then escorted Tiller's wife out.

"When she got to the back doors, we heard her scream, and so we knew something bad had happened," Watkins said.

Church members said anti-abortion protesters have shown up outside the church on Sundays regularly.

"They've been out here for quite a few years. We've just become accustomed to it. Just like an everyday thing, you just looked over and see them and say, 'Yup they're back again.'"

He added: "We had no idea that someone would come into our church and do such a bad thing like that — inside of a church."

The last killing of an abortion doctor was in October 1998 when Dr. Barnett Slepian was fatally shot in his home in a suburb of Buffalo, N.Y. A militant abortion opponent was convicted of the murder.

Federal marshals protected Tiller during the 1991 Summer of Mercy protests, and he was protected again between 1994 and 1998 after another abortion provider was assassinated and federal authorities reported finding Tiller's name at the top of an assassination list.

One of Tiller's lawyers and friends, Dan Monnat, told ABC's "Good Morning America" that Tiller had been supported by his wife and children in his decision to continue providing abortion services.

"If Dr Tiller is not going to service a woman's right to chose, who will do it?" Monnat said.

"Many of those have been terrorized and run off by protesters," he said about other abortion providers.

One of the few remaining late-term abortion clinics is in Boulder, Colo., where Dr. Warren Hern denounced Tiller's killing as the "inevitable and predictable consequence of decades of anti-abortion" rhetoric and violence.

"Dr. Tiller's assassination is not the lone and inexplicable action of one deranged killer," Hern said Sunday. "This was a political assassination in a historic pattern of anti-abortion political violence. It was terrorism."

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Associated Press Writer John Hanna contributed to this report.



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A look at recent cases of abortion-related violence:

• May 31, 2009: Prominent late-term abortion provider George Tiller is shot and killed in a Wichita church where he was serving as an usher. A suspect identified by authorities as Scott Roeder was booked into Wichita's county jail on a charge of first-degree murder.

• April 25, 2007: Authorities say Paul Ross Evans placed a homemade bomb in the parking lot of the Austin Women's Health Center in Texas. A bomb squad disposes of the device, which contained two pounds of nails. There are no injuries.

• Oct. 23, 1998: Dr. Barnett Slepian is fatally shot in his home in a suburb of Buffalo, N.Y. Militant abortion opponent James Kopp is convicted of the murder in 2003 and sentenced to 25 years to life in prison.

• Jan. 29, 1998: A bomb explodes just outside a Birmingham, Ala., abortion clinic, killing a police officer and wounding several others. Eric Rudolph later pleads guilty to that incident and the deadly bombing at the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta. He justifies the Alabama bombing in an essay from prison, writing that Jesus would condone "militant action in defense of the innocent."

• Jan. 16, 1997: Two bomb blasts an hour apart rock an Atlanta building containing an abortion clinic. Seven people are injured. Rudolph is charged by federal authorities in October 1998.

• Dec. 30, 1994: John Salvi opens fire with a rifle inside two Boston-area abortion clinics, killing two receptionists and wounding five others. Sentenced to life without parole, he kills himself in prison in 1996.

• Nov. 8, 1994: Dr. Garson Romalis, who performs abortions in Vancouver, Canada, is shot in the leg while eating breakfast at home.

• July 29, 1994: Dr. John Bayard Britton and his volunteer escort, James H. Barrett, are slain outside a Pensacola, Fla., abortion clinic. Barrett's wife, June, is wounded in the attack. Paul J. Hill, 40, a former minister and anti-abortion activist, is later convicted of murder and sentenced to death.

• Aug. 19, 1993: Dr. George Tiller is shot in the arms as he drives out of parking lot at his Wichita, Kan., clinic. Rachelle "Shelley" Shannon is later convicted and sentenced to 11 years in prison.

• March 10, 1993: Dr. David Gunn is shot to death outside Pensacola, Fla., clinic, becoming the first U.S. doctor killed during an anti-abortion demonstration. Michael Griffin is convicted and serving a life sentence.
聖經:代下15:13 凡不尋求耶和華以色列神的,無論大小,男女,必被治死.

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james2000 發表於 2009-6-2 16:24 | 只看該作者
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 樓主| hellman 發表於 2009-6-2 22:37 | 只看該作者
大夫是基督徒,正在教會祈禱上帝. 殺手也是基督徒,是另一教會基督徒,他們認為打
胎是謀殺,有違上帝旨義,所以替上帝行道.........開殺戒.
我完全糊塗了............
聖經:代下15:13 凡不尋求耶和華以色列神的,無論大小,男女,必被治死.
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 樓主| hellman 發表於 2009-6-4 04:01 | 只看該作者
本帖最後由 hellman 於 2009-6-4 04:02 編輯

如果耶穌不讓他打胎就會在他祈禱時告訴他,不許打胎, 也不會有這樣的下場,耶穌見
死不救. 他也是基督徒,也和耶穌經常通話.
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MstPrfdcm 發表於 2009-6-4 07:20 | 只看該作者
5# hellman
瞧,人家基督徒在談到傳教士被殺時是這麼看的:
這些基督徒,將得神的恩寵,得到永生。
Zephyrus 發表於 2009-6-3 13:33


說不定,被殺的醫生也得到同樣的待遇。
盡信書不如無書。
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隔岸觀火 發表於 2009-6-4 08:51 | 只看該作者
被殺者將得到神的恩寵,得到永生;殺人者則得到神的赦免而得到永生,多好的宗教呀———引殺人者和被殺者一起到神那裡領受永生。
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MstPrfdcm 發表於 2009-6-4 09:47 | 只看該作者
7# 隔岸觀火
被殺者將得到神的恩寵,得到永生;殺人者則得到神的赦免而得到永生,多好的宗教呀———引殺人者和被殺者一起到神那裡領受永生。


哈哈,這麼好的宗教,還不加入,更待何時?
盡信書不如無書。
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homepeace 發表於 2009-6-4 14:31 | 只看該作者
被害醫生為維護婦女權利,作了英勇的努力。我向他致敬!他是美國英雄。

殺人嫌犯前科累累,必將受到法律的公正審判。
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james2000 發表於 2009-6-4 16:35 | 只看該作者
被殺者將得到神的恩寵,得到永生;殺人者則得到神的赦免而得到永生,多好的宗教呀———引殺人者和被殺者一起到神那裡領受永生。
隔岸觀火 發表於 2009-6-4 08:51


這就是奧秘!
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 樓主| hellman 發表於 2009-6-4 23:38 | 只看該作者
被害醫生為維護婦女權利,作了英勇的努力。我向他致敬!他是美國英雄。

殺人嫌犯前科累累,必將受到法律的公正審判。
homepeace 發表於 2009-6-4 14:31

殺人犯沒有因為他自己的私利殺人,是為了維護基督教的教義,為神才殺的人.怎不能
叫基督徒們敬佩? 怎不能叫耶穌憐憫? 阿門.
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研究 發表於 2009-6-5 01:50 | 只看該作者
11# hellman

神說,不許殺人。你從哪裡看到殺害這個醫生是神的旨意?
神願萬人得救,不願一人沉淪。
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homepeace 發表於 2009-6-5 02:02 | 只看該作者
本帖最後由 homepeace 於 2009-6-4 10:06 編輯
殺人犯沒有因為他自己的私利殺人,是為了維護基督教的教義,為神才殺的人.怎不能叫基督徒們敬佩? 怎不能叫耶穌憐憫? 阿門.
hellman 發表於 2009-6-4 07:38
請給出此殺人犯是為了維護基督教的教義的連接,請給出基督徒們敬佩此殺人犯的連接。以支持你的論點。
事實上反對墮胎的除了基督教的許多派別(天主教等)外,還有佛教,道教,堅持傳統倫理學的等等。而基督教中也有對墮胎採用寬容態度的。被害醫生所屬的改革宗也是其中之一。我看到的媒體都是一面倒的譴責此殺人犯。其中包括基督徒。
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研究 發表於 2009-6-5 02:37 | 只看該作者
被害醫生為維護婦女權利,作了英勇的努力。我向他致敬!他是美國英雄。

殺人嫌犯前科累累,必將受到法律的公正審判。
homepeace 發表於 2009-6-4 14:31

家和兄,這個醫生即使是在美國,也是另類醫生,這一點毫無爭議。對21周以上的胎兒人工流產,實際上是很殘忍的事情。不知家和兄對這一點是否了解。這個醫生開的診所是全美僅有的五家做21周以上流產的診所之一。
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     這個胎兒名叫Samuel Armas,當時只有21周大的他因患上胎兒脊髓病變,必需開刀為胎兒醫治。通常在這種胎兒先天有疾病的情況下,父母都會選擇流產,但Samuel Armas的父母選擇了在懷孕期間為其治療。手術在Vanderbilt大學醫療中心進行,其實這已經是該醫療中心進行的第54例胎兒手術了(他們發明了一項能夠在懷孕期間打開子宮為胎兒作手術的技術)。然而在手術的過程中,子宮中竟然伸出了一隻嬰兒的小手,並且緊緊握住了醫生的大手!手術最後很成功,而Samuel Armas也於1999年12月2日順利降生。而這張手術時的照片(被媒體編輯命名為hand of hope)也被是世界多家媒體所轉載。
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這是成活的21周早產兒。
Amillia Sonja Taylor was just 9½ inches long and weighed less than 10 ounces when she was born Oct. 24. She was delivered 21 weeks and six days after conception. Full-term births come after 37 to 40 weeks.

"We weren't too optimistic," Dr. William Smalling said Monday. "But she proved us all wrong."

Neonatologists who cared for Amillia say she is the first baby known to survive after a gestation period of fewer than 23 weeks. A database run by the University of Iowa's Department of Pediatrics lists seven babies born at 23 weeks between 1994 and 2003.

Amillia has experienced respiratory problems, a very mild brain hemorrhage and some digestive problems, but none of the health concerns are expected to pose long-term problems, her doctors said."
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研究 發表於 2009-6-5 03:01 | 只看該作者
這就是奧秘!
james2000 發表於 2009-6-4 16:35

只要他們認罪悔改。
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家和兄,這個醫生即使是在美國,也是另類醫生,這一點毫無爭議。對21周以上的胎兒人工流產,實際上是很殘忍的事情。不知家和兄對這一點是否了解。這個醫生開的診所是全美僅有的五家做21周以上流產的診所之一。
研究 發表於 2009-6-4 10:37
我也贊成盡量避免晚期墮胎。

但是,據報道,1973年開始提供墮胎服務的提勒,承認社會上對墮胎的看法分歧,但他說婦女在產前診斷出胎兒嚴重畸形時,有權選擇墮胎。
見http://www.douban.com/group/topic/6788888/

美國法律對晚期墮胎有很多規定。它一般在嚴重影響了母親的生命和健康時是可以實施的。

所以我認為提勒醫生並不是隨便做晚期墮胎,而是對診斷出胎兒嚴重畸形時才作。或者在嚴重影響了母親的生命和健康時才實施的。

說他是英雄,因為他以前被襲擊過。但他堅持理念,不怕暴力。
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研究 發表於 2009-6-5 04:56 | 只看該作者
我也贊成盡量避免晚期墮胎。

所以我認為提勒醫生並不是隨便做晚期墮胎,而是對診斷出胎兒嚴重畸形時才作。或者在嚴重影響了母親的生命和健康時才實施的。
見http://www.douban.com/group/topic/6788888/ ...
homepeace 發表於 2009-6-5 04:10

Tiller had been a lightning rod for abortion opponents for decades. The women's clinic he ran is one of three in the nation where abortions are performed after the 21st week of pregnancy, when the fetus is considered viable, and has been the site of repeated protests for about two decades. A protester shot Tiller in both arms in 1993, and his clinic was bombed in 1985.
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viable
vi.a.ble
AHD:[vº「…-b…l]
D.J.[6vai*b*l]
K.K.[6va!*b*l]
adj.(形容詞)
Capable of living, developing, or germinating under favorable conditions.
能居的:在良好的狀態下能夠存活、發展或發芽的
Capable of living outside the uterus. Used of a fetus or newborn.
能生存的:在子宮外能存活的。用於胎兒或者新生兒
Capable of success or continuing effectiveness; practicable:
可行的:可望成功的或有持續效果的;切實可行的:
藍天, 白雲, 海鷗
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