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沒事閑逛 發表於 2010-2-5 09:52 | 只看該作者 回帖獎勵 |倒序瀏覽 |閱讀模式
NBC News and news services。 2/4/2010, 7:50pm EST

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海地以綁架罪起訴美國教堂成員

Haiti charges U.S. church members with kidnap
Fate of 10 Baptist missionaries will be determined by a judge

PORT-AU-PRINCE - Ten U.S. missionaries in Haiti were charged Thursday with child kidnapping and criminal association for allegedly trying to take children illegally out of the earthquake-hit country.

After announcing the charges, Haitian Deputy Prosecutor Jean Ferge Joseph told the 10 their case was being sent to an investigative judge.

"That judge can free you but he can also continue to hold you for further proceedings," the deputy prosecutor told the five men and five women in a hearing.

As the decision was announced, the Americans, most of whom belong to an Idaho-based Baptist church, appeared stunned, and some shook their heads in disbelief.

They were arrested last week on Haiti's border with the Dominican Republic when they tried to cross with a busload of 33 children they said were orphaned by the devastating Jan. 12 quake.

The Americans, who range in age from 18 to 55, acknowledged under questioning from the prosecutor they had apparently committed a crime by seeking to take the children across the border without proper documents. But they said they were unaware of that until after their arrest.

"We didn't know what we were doing was illegal. We did not have any intention to violate the law. But now we understand it's a crime," said Paul Robert Thompson, a pastor who led the group in prayer during a break in the session.

'Help the children'
Group leader Laura Silsby told the hearing: "We simply wanted to help the children. We petition the court not only for our freedom but also for our ability to continue to help."

Most of the Americans, who have been in jail since last Friday, were covered with severe mosquito bites. The prosecutor asked them at one point if they wanted to see a doctor.

After the hearing, they were whisked away to jail in Port-au-Prince.

Haitian authorities said the group lacked the authorization and travel documents needed to take the children out of the country.  

The group's Haitian lawyer, Edwin Coq, who attended Thursday's hearing, portrayed nine of his clients as innocents caught up in a scheme they did not understand. But Coq did not defend the actions of the group leader, Silsby, who helped organize the mission to Haiti and has spoken for the Americans since they were detained last Friday.

"I'm going to do everything I can to get the nine out. They were naive. They had no idea what was going on and they did not know that they needed official papers to cross the border," Coq said. "But Silsby did."

Each was charged with one count of kidnapping, which carries a sentence of five to 15 years in prison, and one of criminal association, punishable by three to nine years. Coq said the case would be assigned a judge, who will consider the evidence and could render a verdict in about three months.

The magistrate, Mazard Fortil, left the hearing without making a statement. Social Affairs Minister Jeanne Bernard Pierre, who has harshly criticized the missionaries, refused to comment. The government's communications minister, Marie-Laurence Jocelyn Lassegue, said only that the next court date had not been set.

In Washington, State Department spokesman Gordon Duguid said the U.S. government was still waiting for a report from its embassy.


"But the 10 are accused of violating Haitian law and the case is proceeding under Haitian law through a transparent judicial process," Duguid said.

'Other legal avenues'
Silsby has said the church members were trying to take orphans and abandoned children to an orphanage in the neighboring Dominican Republic. She acknowledged they may have lacked paperwork but said they just meant to help victims of the quake.

Haitian officials say many of the 33 still had parents, though they may have handed over the children willingly.

State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said in Washington the U.S. was monitoring the case and was open to discuss "other legal avenues" for the defendants — an apparent reference to the Haitian prime minister's earlier suggestion that Haiti could consider sending the Americans back to the United States for prosecution.

But it's unlikely the Americans could be tried back home, according to Christopher J. Schmidt, an expert on international child kidnapping law in St. Louis, Mo. U.S. statutes may not even apply, he said, since the children never crossed an international border.

Fate of children
Silsby waved and smiled faintly to reporters but declined to answer questions as the Baptists were whisked away from the closed court hearing back to their holding cells. People rendered homeless by the quake sat idly under tarps in the parking lot, smoke rising from a cooking fire.


Coq complained about conditions at the judicial police lockup where the Americans were being held. He said they are sleeping on the floor without blankets and aren't being provided with adequate food. He said he had delivered pizza and sandwiches.

Silsby had already been planning to create an orphanage for Haitian children in the Dominican Republic. When the earthquake struck she recruited other church members to help kick her plans into high gear. The 10 Americans rushed to Haiti and spent a week gathering children for their project.

Most of the children came from the quake-ravaged village of Callebas, where residents told The Associated Press that they handed over their children to the Americans because they were unable to feed or clothe them after the earthquake. They said the missionaries promised to educate the children and let relatives visit.

handed over by distant relatives. She said the Americans believed they had all the paperwork needed — documents she said she obtained in the Dominican Republic — to take the children out of Haiti.

"They are very precious kids that have lost their homes and families and are so deeply in need of, most of all, God's love and his compassion," she told the AP in a jailhouse interview Saturday.

The assistant pastor of Silsby's church in Meridian, Idaho, said neither Central Valley Baptist Church nor any of the missionaries' relatives had any comment about the decision to charge the Americans. Drew Ham had defended the missionaries on Wednesday, saying they were putting the children' interests first at a time of chaos.

The children are being cared for at the Austrian-run SOS Children's Village in Port-au-Prince. An official there, Patricia Vargas, said none of the children who are old enough to talk have said they were orphans.

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沒有放屁 發表於 2010-2-5 10:25 | 只看該作者
平安是本論壇最無恥的人. 他會承認錯誤. 那就太陽西天出了.
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 樓主| 沒事閑逛 發表於 2010-2-5 10:26 | 只看該作者
2010。2. 5  明報:

海地起訴十美國人綁架兒童 (09:03)

海地起訴10名美國人綁架兒童罪名,指控他們企圖把33名兒童非法帶離海地。
被捕美國人的代表律師4日在太子港表示,10人被控以綁架兒童及刑事串謀罪。10人4日出庭,繼續被當局扣押。假如綁架兒童的罪名成立,面臨最高刑罰是入獄9年。

美國國務院發言人表示,美國政府會繼續向被扣押的10名美國公民提供適當的領事援助服務,並繼續注意事態發展。

被捕10名美國人包括5男5女,是美國愛達荷州一個宗教組織的成員,於上周五在海地邊境被捕,被指在未獲得當局許可下,企圖用巴士把33名海地兒童送到多米尼加。他們否認偷運兒童出境,稱只是希望幫助地震的孤兒及被遺棄的兒童。
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 樓主| 沒事閑逛 發表於 2010-2-5 11:16 | 只看該作者
平安10看來「正念」聚集不齊,歇了。
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平安10 發表於 2010-2-5 11:45 | 只看該作者
助人為樂無罪!為救人而進監獄,值!
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 樓主| 沒事閑逛 發表於 2010-2-5 11:52 | 只看該作者
助人為樂無罪!為救人而進監獄,值!
平安10 發表於 2010-2-5 11:45


您「正念」收集齊了?謝謝您的評論!下次,美國律師又多了一條辯護詞,您晚上會得到他們的祝福!
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yantes 發表於 2010-2-5 11:57 | 只看該作者
至少澄清了一點,就是他們涉嫌的罪名,即非象這裡的一些網友所說的「貶賣」,更非為了什麼「器官」。
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jedi_xie 發表於 2010-2-5 12:05 | 只看該作者
至少澄清了一點,就是他們涉嫌的罪名,即非象這裡的一些網友所說的「貶賣」,更非為了什麼「器官」。
yantes 發表於 2010-2-5 11:57

糾正你的錯字是「賣」,不是「賣」,貶值了,還賣來幹啥?原來美國慈善機構有綁架小孩子的好習慣,為啥綁架呢?綁架小孩子來勒索海地災民?有趣。
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 樓主| 沒事閑逛 發表於 2010-2-5 12:08 | 只看該作者
至少澄清了一點,就是他們涉嫌的罪名,即非象這裡的一些網友所說的「貶賣」,更非為了什麼「器官」。
yantes 發表於 2010-2-5 11:57


您很高深,「貶賣」可能是「販賣」,器官您可能指中國有涉嫌販賣器官? 來自大法網的臭名昭著的新聞,加上個加國律師,甚至連美國新聞都懶得提了。
即使如此,您似乎可以看看我的標題,再看看平安10的控訴,而後您再評論可能妥當些! 謝謝!
當然,您可能是馬系列的,那算我白說
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syxg 發表於 2010-2-5 12:15 | 只看該作者
至少澄清了一點,就是他們涉嫌的罪名,即非象這裡的一些網友所說的「貶賣」,更非為了什麼「器官」。
yantes 發表於 2010-2-5 11:57


請注意這些網友所說的「販賣」及「器官」是引述的全球各大新聞社的新聞所述.
如: "Church accused of Haiti child trafficking - http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top ... ap-115875-22010148/
   
您這幾天與世隔絕了嗎?
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漠孤煙 發表於 2010-2-5 12:17 | 只看該作者
本帖最後由 漠孤煙 於 2010-2-5 12:19 編輯
助人為樂無罪!為救人而進監獄,值!
平安10 發表於 2010-2-5 11:45

所以說,中國政府以法鎮壓法  輪 功大快人心。
所以說,在海外華人心目中法 輪 功比過街老鼠還噁心。
平安10用輪子的無恥,演繹著所有的關於法 輪 功的「為什麼」和「所以說」。
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Siliconvalley 發表於 2010-2-5 12:25 | 只看該作者
平安就是個造謠專業戶,通過它的表演,讓人們認識到了FLG的醜惡。
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平安10 發表於 2010-2-5 12:25 | 只看該作者
本帖最後由 平安10 於 2010-2-5 13:35 編輯
您「正念」收集齊了?謝謝您的評論!下次,美國律師又多了一條辯護詞,您晚上會得到他們的祝福!
沒事閑逛 發表於 2010-2-5 11:52


一個人做事,如果是為了他人利益,我們應該感激他,如果出了點差錯,我們應該試圖去理解和圓融這件事。人本來活著就不容易,人們為什麼還要人為的製造障礙?

海地地震,人民處於危難中,孩子們更需要幫助,世界各地的志願著前來給予無私幫助,這群人救人心切,犯了技術錯誤,大家應該理解,海地政府從法律和兒童的利益出發,拘留和起訴這些人,也完全正確。到是我們這些旁觀者,應該明是非。如果我們不能幫助海地人民,也別煽風點火添亂,令那些正在幫助海地人民地英雄們心寒。

在新聞報道這件事上,中共媒體幸災樂禍,他們把死人都能樹為英雄,而真正地英雄他們確往下砸,真是變態!
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 樓主| 沒事閑逛 發表於 2010-2-5 12:34 | 只看該作者
回復 13# 平安10

您控訴的似乎與您的答辯有點距離,而且這些所謂「孤兒」有些父母尚在!
但姑且不說這個, 「這群救人心切,犯了技術錯誤」, 考利昂(God Father)會為這個「技術錯誤」謝您,中國共產黨也會謝您,「救人心切」是嗎?手段是技術,但技術可能錯了 ? 是嗎?
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平安10 發表於 2010-2-5 12:43 | 只看該作者
本帖最後由 平安10 於 2010-2-5 13:11 編輯
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您控訴的似乎與您的答辯有點距離,而且這些所謂「孤兒」有些父母尚在!
但姑且不說這個, ...
沒事閑逛 發表於 2010-2-5 12:34


CNN上看到一母親主動把她地孩子送給志願者,說孩子在美國會有更好地生活。你說我說什麼都可,你的判斷力不比別人或記者差,憑你的良心和各個媒體的綜合報道,你應該有你自己的結論。
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amely7777 發表於 2010-2-5 12:45 | 只看該作者
回復 2# 沒有放屁
還有它的馬甲
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長劍向天 發表於 2010-2-5 13:48 | 只看該作者
糾正你的錯字是「販賣」,不是「貶賣」,貶值了,還賣來幹啥?原來美國慈善機構有綁架小孩子的好習慣,為 ...
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長劍向天 發表於 2010-2-5 13:49 | 只看該作者
所以說,中國政府以法鎮壓法  輪 功大快人心。
所以說,在海外華人心目中法 輪 功比過街老鼠還噁心。
平 ...
漠孤煙 發表於 2010-2-5 12:17


沒錯,絕對的該鎮壓!!!最好是滅他九族!!!!
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長劍向天 發表於 2010-2-5 13:51 | 只看該作者
平安就是個造謠專業戶,通過它的表演,讓人們認識到了FLG的醜惡。
Siliconvalley 發表於 2010-2-5 12:25



    恩,俺以前對法 輪功的人還挺同情的,現在看了平安的表現,真想拿刀砍死她(甭管丫的是不是女的)!!!
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長劍向天 發表於 2010-2-5 13:53 | 只看該作者
本帖最後由 長劍向天 於 2010-2-6 04:03 編輯
海地地震,人民處於危難中,孩子們更需要幫助,世界各地的志願著前來給予無私幫助,這群人救人心切,犯了技術錯誤,大家應該理解,海地政府從法律和兒童的利益出發,拘留和起訴這些人,也完全正確。到是我們這些旁觀者,應該明是非。如果我們不能幫助海地人民,也別煽風點火添亂,令那些正在幫助海地人民地英雄們心寒。

平安10 發表於 2010-2-5 12:25



    白痴,那你為啥對中國的地震那麼幸災樂禍?!死了的都是老百姓,你丫的說是「老天的報應」。。。你的人性哪去了?真的被狗吃了?!莫非海地又成你的乾爹乾媽了??!!!!難怪有人罵你是婊子!真的是世界上最不要臉的婊子!!就沖你這種畜生樣,早晚會真的被天報應而死無全屍。你就等著吧!!不是不報是時候未到!
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