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blackcurtain 發表於 2009-1-10 12:25 | 只看該作者 回帖獎勵 |倒序瀏覽 |閱讀模式
http://www.newsweek.com/id/178726/page/2
The Lost Shepherd

From his bedroom turned office in Colorado Springs, Ted Haggard prepares
people for the afterlife. Not the roof-shaking "power encounters" with God
that once defined him as founder of New Life Church and leader of the 30
million–strong National Association of Evangelicals. Now he's offering
deliverance of a different sort: life insurance. Drumming up leads through a
referral service, Haggard and his wife, Gayle, work the phones, setting up
in-house consultations with the former "Pastor Ted" to close the deal. "One
thing we can guarantee our clients," Haggard likes to say, "is that bad
things do happen in life."

You can say amen to that. It's been two years since a prostitute named Mike
Jones alleged he'd had a three-year, drug-fueled affair with Haggard.
Haggard, now 52, ultimately admitted to a crystal-meth purchase and "sexual
immorality." Within a week, he'd stepped down from his posts and into the
pantheon of evangelicals (Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart) felled by their own
sins. Now, in his first magazine interview since the scandal, Haggard talks
about his ongoing struggle with his sexuality, his former church and his
plans for the future. Why now? For one thing, he's pushing "The Trials of
Ted Haggard," a wincingly candid HBO documentary due to air on January 29.
But as you can sense in the film, and hear in conversation, Haggard still
feels a lot of anger—at New Life Church, as well as at himself.

On that day in late 2006 when he finally dropped the denials, Haggard felt
exhausted and lost, and so he did what came naturally: he put his trust in
the church. "I was disoriented, confused, depressed. I had thrown my life
away, and I had to trust these men," he tells NEWSWEEK. "I would have signed
anything." Under the terms of his severance package and "restoration" deal,
Haggard agreed to never set foot in New Life again and to leave Colorado
forever (although the banishment was lifted after just more than a year). He
took his family and his severance package—a year's pay, around $140,000—
and began what the Haggards refer to as their life in exile. They spent the
next 18 months crisscrossing Arizona with their two teenage sons piled into
a U-Haul, staying in a series of budget hotels and the homes of "kind
strangers."


Cash and Christian mercy were in short supply, but at least one friend made
sure to come calling: Alexandra Pelosi. The Emmy-winning director (and
Speaker Nancy's daughter) met Haggard in 2005 while shooting "Friends of God
," her tour of evangelical America. She says she initially traveled to
Arizona to make sure he was OK, and ever the filmmaker, just started filming
when she saw Ted carrying a rack of his church suits into a cheap motel. He
wasn't compensated for Pelosi's roughly 10 hours of footage, spread over
several visits. "This movie was stolen from Ted," she says. "I was there, I
had a camera, that's it." Haggard says the film is "fair and even" and let
her shoot it. "Here's the way I've worked in my lifetime: I tend to say yes,
" he says.
The Lost Shepherd

Ted Haggard's sex scandal cost him his church, and some of his faith.

Unfortunately, other people kept telling him no. Struggling to find work in
the secular world, he turns to hanging "hundreds, maybe thousands" of
mortgage advertisements on suburban doorknobs, and when Pelosi zooms in to
ask about his success rate, Haggard's Grand Canyon smile goes missing. He
didn't get a single response. In another scene, Haggard is feeling confident
on the way to his first secular job interview, a counseling position at the
University of Phoenix, the adult learning center. "If they don't Google me,
I'll get the job," he tells Pelosi. Apparently they did, because he struck
out there, too. Finally, Haggard lands work as a traveling insurance
salesmen, a prelude to his present-day success with a different commission
sales company, Mortgage Protection Group. He now says he makes around $1,000
a week.

And yet, while he strives to turn the other cheek, full Christian
forgiveness eludes him. He believes that New Life cast him away when he
needed it the most. As he says in the movie: "The Church has said go to hell
."
Haggard now thinks that he lashed himself too hard. "I understand why
when a criminal is caught they will sometimes admit to things they didn't do
," he says. "I wanted to overrepent, and I think I did overrepent. In my [
resignation] letter to the church I said I was a deceiver and a liar, but I
hadn't lied about anything except to keep quiet about what was going on
inside me."

He's still struggling. Haggard denies saying in early 2007, after three
weeks of spiritual counseling, that he had become "completely heterosexual,"
and in the film he puts himself back on the couch, asking, "Gay, straight,
bisexual—what are you, Ted Haggard?" Perhaps naively he also allows himself
to be filmed lovingly sucking an ice pop. Haggard traces his sexual
struggles back to allegedly being molested in the second grade by an
employee of his father. In seventh grade, he says, he fooled around sexually
with other preteen boys. At 18, he became a born-again Christian and
started "dating girls and loving it." He says he has never had an adult same
-sex encounter with anyone other than Jones.

So is he gay or straight? After more than a year of secular counseling
sessions, he still ducks the label question. "I believe that sexuality is
complex and confusing," he says. "I no longer struggle with homosexual
compulsions. I still have thoughts from time to time, but they're not
powerful thoughts. I still have temptations from time to time, but they're
not powerful temptations. They're not compelling." Both he and Gayle say
that their 30-year marriage has actually improved in the wake of the scandal
. "As you might imagine, with greater openness the intimacy is better," says
Gayle, who says she stayed with Ted for two reasons. "No. 1, he's worth it,
and our children are worth it."

One thing that hasn't changed is his conservative philosophy. Haggard still
opposes gay marriage, telling Pelosi that "God's best plan for human beings
is for man and woman to unite together," and he believes that homosexuality
is a learned behavior "like alcoholism." Gays (and many straights) will
undoubtedly scoff, but Haggard comes across more like a man striving to be
honest to himself, the world and his God. "I am what I am," he says in the
movie. "I was born an evangelical."

The 42-minute film ends by noting that in January 2008 the Haggards were
allowed to move back to Colorado, which they did last June. Shortly after
Christmas, the church also opened the door for him to return to New Life—as
a member of the congregation. He is cleared to start a new ministry, or
preach as a guest, so long as it's more than 100 miles from his old church.
But he has no plans to lead a congregation again, saying it's no longer his
place to shape Christian policy. That said, he believes that "there is a
place for everyone in the church."

Except, for the moment, the Haggard family. "We don't attend a church
because it would create news, and we don't want to put our children or the
church pastor through that," he says. "So we're just trying to lay low, do
our business, be with our family and do the appropriate things without
causing a stir." Since settling into his old house, Haggard has found a post
-preacher routine of fast-food lunches ("I love McDonald's. I love Wendy's.
I love KFC.") and weekly runs at a nearby middle-school track. But life is
clearly not back to normal. He says he avoids thinking about New Life, which
he can see from his bedroom window. He has yet to unpack boxes that it
shipped from his office, including his picture with President Bush and a
handwritten copy of the Bible transcribed by his congregants. But he has a
new flock to tend now. He's recruited 42 people to join his burgeoning team
of insurance agents. Whether it's prayer or premiums, Ted Haggard is
obviously a natural salesman.
2008年我們認識看清了-"自由"媒體的"公正"; 海外華人的力量; 團結中國的凝聚力;某些宗教的邪惡面目. 2008年將載入史冊. 我們在經歷歷史的轉折. 中國加油!

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 樓主| blackcurtain 發表於 2009-1-10 12:26 | 只看該作者
Poor soul.

生活真是諷刺。挺慘的。要不是JDJ,不至於這樣。當年他在台上竭盡全力的gay
bashing的時候是什麼心情?

被一個邪惡的宗教扭曲的靈魂。看看他自己一手創建的教堂是怎麼迫不及待的把他扔掉
,保持距離的。真徹骨寒意。

JDJ就是孕育偽道學,扭曲人性的東西。




[ 本帖最後由 blackcurtain 於 2009-1-10 12:28 編輯 ]
2008年我們認識看清了-"自由"媒體的"公正"; 海外華人的力量; 團結中國的凝聚力;某些宗教的邪惡面目. 2008年將載入史冊. 我們在經歷歷史的轉折. 中國加油!
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在美一方 發表於 2009-1-10 12:59 | 只看該作者
奇怪,他的church為什麼不拯救他,而是急急地扔掉他?
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iamcaibird 發表於 2009-1-10 13:01 | 只看該作者
Ted Haggard事件給我們的啟示就是:耶教把人變成了虛偽的偽善之徒。

白不經的偽善道德,還不如不道德來得更真實。對於同性戀問題如此,其他道德問題同樣如此。

可惜,Ted本人還是沒有覺醒。
鳥也玩科學,順便關心一下人類的神精生活
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在美一方 發表於 2009-1-10 22:13 | 只看該作者

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概括幾句,為了懶得看英文的朋友們:
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TH現在在自己卧室改裝的辦公室里和妻子一起賣保險,每周收入大概1000刀。

當初從教會退出來的協議上規定他永遠不能回他一手創立的「新生活教堂」,也永遠不允許呆在亞利桑那的土地上。為此,他和妻子以及兩個10幾歲的兒子開著U-haul車到處流浪了近兩年。(這裡解釋一下,U-Haul是搬家用的廂式卡車,完全不是有廚房有衛生間的活動房車。U-haul沒有窗戶沒有任何生活設施,我們常常租來搬家用的)。

協議上寫的他永遠也不許呆在亞利桑那的土地上,後來流浪了18個月以後,這個條款給廢止了,他才可以回家。現在回到原來的地方,從卧室窗戶就可以看見他一手創建的教堂,可是他不能去。

他說,自己最需要愛和諒解的時候,他的教堂拋棄了他。教堂的人對他說:「下地獄去吧!」

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評:其實他還沒明白嗎?如果他們教堂的其他誰這樣了,他同樣也會如此絕情地對待那個人的,哪裡有什麼真正的愛和拯救?全都是生意,他壞了教堂的聲譽和生意,所以人家對他如此無情。看到這個,誰還說基督教大愛無邊?按理說,他現在應該需要他們的幫助啊靈魂拯救什麼的,不是耶穌來就是收罪人的么,為什麼他的教會對他如此落井下石?

[ 本帖最後由 在美一方 於 2009-1-10 22:16 編輯 ]
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鄉下人進城 發表於 2009-1-10 22:24 | 只看該作者

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教會不許他在亞利桑那的土地上?!什麼東西!

姑且算他自己罪不可恕,那兩個孩子又怎麼了?

什麼他媽的狗屁大愛!這種東西要是得勢了,還不一樣的黑暗中世紀!
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在美一方 發表於 2009-1-10 22:30 | 只看該作者

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還真是。教會有什麼權利限制任何人的人身自由?不明白。在耶穌眼裡還有什麼不可寬恕的罪人么?不是說因信稱義么?
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iamcaibird 發表於 2009-1-11 05:34 | 只看該作者
教會是權力超過政府的黑社會
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sumw 發表於 2009-1-11 06:13 | 只看該作者
原帖由 blackcurtain 於 2009-1-10 12:26 發表 [Reverend Ted Haggard近況 - 信仰天地 -  backchina.com]  
Poor soul.   
JDJ就是孕育偽道學,扭曲人性的東西。           


看看 那些 當上 斑竹 的 J !   個個貪戀權力 , 太 偽道學,太 扭曲人性 了!
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無限還原 發表於 2009-1-11 10:50 | 只看該作者
為什麼沒有基督徒來這裡美言一下???
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研究 發表於 2009-1-12 05:30 | 只看該作者
原帖由 在美一方 於 2009-1-10 22:13 發表 [Reverend Ted Haggard近況 - 信仰天地 -  backchina.com]  
評:其實他還沒明白嗎?如果他們教堂的其他誰這樣了,他同樣也會如此絕情地對待那個人的,哪裡有什麼真正的愛和拯救?全都是生意,他壞了教堂的聲譽和生意,所以人家對他如此無情。看到這個,誰還說基督教大愛無邊?按理說,他現在應該需要他們的幫助啊靈魂拯救什麼的,不是耶穌來就是收罪人的么,為什麼他的教會對他如此落井下石?
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很好的理解。希望在美能加入那個教會。與他們爭辯,什麼是基督的真愛。

他們的做法的確有違神的真道(如果像報道的那樣)。
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研究 發表於 2009-1-12 05:31 | 只看該作者
原帖由 在美一方 於 2009-1-10 22:30 發表 [Reverend Ted Haggard近況 - 信仰天地 -  backchina.com]  
還真是。教會有什麼權利限制任何人的人身自由?不明白。在耶穌眼裡還有什麼不可寬恕的罪人么?不是說因信稱義么?


在美問得好!
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