How about "Local church"

I would hear comments on 「local church" started by 李長受 弟兄 . Positive or negative.

[ 本帖最後由 jcsun 於 2007-11-11 16:46 編輯 ]

發到英語園地去吧

Actually the prototype of "Local Church" is in the Bible: the church in Jerusalem (Acts 8:1), the church in Antioch (Acts 13:1), the church in Ephesus (Acts 20:17), the church in Corinth(1 Cor. 1:2), the seven churches in seven cities in Asia (Rev.1:11, 2:1,8,12,18, 3:1,7,14) and the churches in the provinces of Syria and Cilicia (Acts 15:41).

It was recovered and started in the current age by 倪柝聲弟兄：http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%80%AA%E6%9F%9D%E5%A3%B0

無非是基督教幾萬教派之一，同意它的就positive，不同意的就說它是異端。僅僅在這個小小的罈子上，就有挺和反的。

為十么各教會的弟兄之間沒有與不信的那樣友好？- this is quite commonly seen. Even though all Christians are supposedly brothers, but most of the time, "brothers" from different groups are not nice to each other at all. Yet if you are not yet a believer, all would be nice to you. Although sometimes it stops after you are baptized.

記得有一位基督徒說這是「上帝」的美意。各個教會之間就是得相互隔絕，否則就是在造巴別塔了。記得那位基督徒還說，天下的教會都是「上帝」的肢體。這讓我想起了一個故事。
在Lego的Bionicle故事系列中，講到了一群小偷。這群小偷被一個能力巨大的黑暗勢力給挾持了。小偷們想逃出黑暗勢力的控制，但是不想空手走，於是求去偷那個黑暗勢力的寶貝。不曾想黑暗勢力洞悉了他們的想法，給他們來了一個瓮中捉鱉。為了懲罰那個小偷頭子，黑暗勢力把他的身體給裂解成了數十萬片，但是沒有讓他死。那個小偷頭子身體的每一片都有自己的想法，想干自己的事，個個都覺得自己是主宰。

I saw similar in Bible, but it is not for churches and Christians. It is for man kind - why we have difference race and language. But as believers, they (include me - I am a believer) should be able to unite. I know nothing is perfect (human), but it should not be worse.

這也是讓我非常困惑的問題。為什麼作為「上帝」指體的教會都不能協調統一。恐怕你們主內的兄弟姐妹們需要好好地想想了。另外，你也得好好想想，為什麼你的主內兄弟姐妹們會認為這是「上帝」的美意。

有關這一問題的討論，請看此帖。
http://club.backchina.com/main/v ... 3309&highlight=

[ 本帖最後由 confuse 於 2007-11-16 11:01 編輯 ]

為什麼你的主內兄弟姐妹們會認為這是「上帝」的美意 - do not care who that guy is. He is 胡說八道! I do not see that in Bible ;).

你不認為這是問題所在嗎？為什麼他認為說得很對，你卻說他是「胡說八道」？

I think that "Crossing" guy did not read Bible even carefully. He just tries to justify the current church situation. One cannot turn bad to good. It becomes 狡辯.  I think the current church situation is really bad overall - even though there are many good brothers. We are far from God's commends. I think it is the points of "Crossing" that hurt us. So we do not think what is right and wrong. Ya, I believe as a Christian we need to check what we are doing, we are not a bit safer than anyone else from cimmitting sins.

Well the difference - at least for me, I will be happy to continue discussing this with this guy. And I do not judge him personally. I just disagree with his points. But we could still be brothers because we still have agreement on the most important and basic things - God/Jesus. But many brothers cannot take any different opinions, even worse they will actively attack, and purge independent thinkers. Some even take the worst means as we all can see from church history. If love is lost, brother is just "brother" a title with religious meanings.