美國可能不是我們以及我們的子孫久留之地 （與在美中國人分享我的一些擔心）

本文包括一些想法來自於對布希的贏得選舉和目前美國內伊戰爭論的思考。

如果一個國家由超過一半的愚笨的人組成， 如果它恰好又是一個普選的國家，它的衰落將是一件十分危險的事情，對這個國家的非主流的外國人來說甚至更加危險。因為選舉政治往往會變成一個煽動和欺騙民眾的遊戲， 愚笨的人是最容易被煽動的人群。 同時他們也更加可能成為經濟衰落的首先受害者，因而可能訴諸與對非主流群體發泄不滿。 正如幾十年前德國農民之對猶太人，印尼土著對印尼中國人。

對在美國的我們和我們的子孫不幸的是， 今天的美國恰好由超過一半的愚笨的人組成，它恰好又是一個一定程度的普選的國家， 並且正在衰落。 上面的危險的假設是存在的，最先的倒霉蛋可能是中國人， 一群極其鮮明的與他們不同的人。

美國的確是由超過一半的非常愚笨的人組成，這個可以由他們選出了一個愚笨的總統來證明。一個智商低於90， 很少讀書和看報，虔誠的相信人是由上帝創造出來的人會被選為總統？原因只有一個，那就是選他的人比他更愚笨。絕對沒有更深層次的原因，因為我想不出， 我的專門研究政治的歐洲朋友也想不出。因為選舉BUSH的人決不是美國目前政策的受益者，即使將來他們的子孫可能是， 他們也決對沒有聰敏到想通那個道理。 因此， 原因只有一個， 一半的美國人極其愚笨並且狂熱。

美國的確是由很多非常愚笨的人組成，這個可以由那些兒子死在伊拉克卻還在死心塌地支持戰爭的父母們的行為和思想來證明。從電視上看到對這些人的採訪， 為他們的愚昧而悲哀。他們自以為知道為甚末他們失去了親人，悲哀在於他們還不如一無所知。這些愚笨而可憐的被人利用的人們。 想一想吧，我的在美國的同胞們，在美國的遠離NEW YORK 或 LA地區有多少這樣的美國人呢？ 除了LABOR FOR MONEY，BEER，CAR， FOOTBALL 他們一無所知，他們卻相信人是由上帝創造的，並且開始準備在學校中這樣教他們的孩子。想一想吧， 在NEW YORK OR LA 多少這樣的美國人呢？ 除了PARTY，DRUGS AND DATING，他們一無所知，他們甚至連「人是由上帝創造的」都不想知道。

當一個國家由很多非常愚笨的人組成時，普選的結果是甚末？ 就是選出一個和他們一樣愚笨思維的人。 獲得利益者是聰敏的，他們推出了一個和選民們一樣傻的笨蛋來參加選舉（JOKE）。我不知道更好的政治制度是甚末，但我知道普選有的時候確實很愚蠢。（:注意：這裡只談美國， 沒有比較）

愚笨的人的增多是太長時期的安逸生活的結果，國家的衰落將是愚笨的人的增多的結果。你可以想象的出， 當這些人生活不再容易，沒有了養老金，沒有了PARTY，美國將會走向哪裡嗎？他們會象他們所說的那樣有耐心，容忍和寬容嗎？你能指望這些愚笨的缺少理性的廣大人群會善待我們的那時比他們過的更好的子孫們嗎？危險是存在的， 可能是70 年 也可能是90 年。

OK，如果上述情況發生，我們至少比猶太人幸運，我們有自己的家園， 但需要做好準備而不要象在印尼的中國人。如果情況沒那末嚴重呢？許多人就迷惑了。

為甚末當年錢學森們會回國是我當年在國內無論如何也難以理解的，就象我當年無法理解鐵人王進喜一樣。

鼓勵原創，置頂討論。

回中國又怎樣,中國不只一半的人愚忠或缺乏遠見,還不能普選.印尼有暴動,中國還有文革呢,當然不希望這些再發生,但好壞都是相對的.

Think about two facts:
1) why these species are on the endangered list such as cheetah and panda? becuase they have low genetic diversity.
2) why US is stronger than most other nations? because it has higher genetic diversity.
Therefore, a country only made of clones of smart people is the evolutionary dead end.-will only lead to the demise of the country.

[QUOTE=笨羅爾]回中國又怎樣,中國不只一半的人愚忠或缺乏遠見,還不能普選.印尼有暴動,中國還有文革呢,當然不希望這些再發生,但好壞都是相對的.[/QUOTE]

1.在很大程度上, 中國和美國沒有可比性. 從你的角度,你想比一比;從歷史的角度,沒有.

2.如果你很不幸,必須在印尼暴動和中國文革中選一個, WHICH ONE?  (DO NOT TELL ME NEITHER, BECAUSE YOU DO OFTEN HAVE NO OTHER CHOICES)

3.CHINA MIGHT GET IMPROVEMENT, BUT THERE IS NO WAY FOR YOU TO CHANGE SKIN'S COLOR.

1.在很大程度上, 中國和美國沒有可比性. 從你的角度,你想比一比;從歷史的角度,沒有.

當然沒有很直接的可比性質,只是如果美國不能呆,難道跑到另一個國家去過一陣子再擔心一回,一輩子很短耶,老挪也不是辦法,肯定第一選擇就是回中國咯.

2.如果你很不幸,必須在印尼暴動和中國文革中選一個, WHICH ONE?  (DO NOT TELL ME NEITHER, BECAUSE YOU DO OFTEN HAVE NO OTHER CHOICES)

當然是印尼暴動咯,比較短,至少還有點期望說實在不行可以回祖國或跑到新加坡什麼的躲一躲.可文革,...,老天,連祖國都要內鬥到這種程度這麼久,周圍連可以躲的國家都沒有,你也說說哪個更讓人絕望一點.

3.CHINA MIGHT GET IMPROVEMENT, BUT THERE IS NO WAY FOR YOU TO CHANGE SKIN'S COLOR.

THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE SKIN COLOR BUT THE ATTITUDE TOWARD SKIN COLOR. IMPROVEMENT OF A 1.3 BILLION POPULATION NATION AND IMPROVEMENT OF WHAT AT MOST 0.2 BILLION POPULATION 'S PUBLIC ATTITUDE, WHICH ONE SEEMS EASIER, AFTER ALL. I KNOW ALL THESE ARE EMPTY TALK; WELL, SINCE U BRING THEM UP.

[QUOTE=bombyx]Think about two facts:
1) why these species are on the endangered list such as cheetah and panda? becuase they have low genetic diversity.
2) why US is stronger than most other nations? because it has higher genetic diversity.
Therefore, a country only made of clones of smart people is the evolutionary dead end.-will only lead to the demise of the country.[/QUOTE]
Firstly, what you said has nothing to do with what I am talking about. I am talking about something happening or likely to happen in US and concerned with chinese living in US.
There is no comparison here. If you really want to discuss on a question, such as "why US is stronger than most other nations?" , it will have to involve more than just one factor and be viewed from more than just one single angle. Try to open your eyes and open your mind as widely as historical.

2. In fact, just in terms of your logic, it was wrong as well.
it is inappropriate to relate law of nature with law of society. Here a logic accuracy is necessary. Same thing as above, if you want to compare, try to do it from all angles.

3. An advice,
    Do not have self trapped in some place. Get out of it and you will find the world is as big as you never thought.

一個新的問題思考的角度和啟發。

I agree with 笨羅爾, You need to change your attitude toward your skin color. Otherwise, it is a waste of time to argue with you.

[QUOTE=bombyx]I agree with 笨羅爾, You need to change your attitude toward your skin color. Otherwise, it is a waste of time to argue with you.[/QUOTE]
你根本就沒有看懂「笨羅爾」的話的意思，我不知道你想同意他或她甚末？

另一個建議：
BEFORE SPEAKING SOMETHING OUT IN PUBLIC， TRY TO RESPECT YOURSELF AND THINK TWICE OF WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO SAY， DO NOT WASTE OTHERS『 TIME

反正歧視的存在,膚色,人種,籍貫,口音...都可以是借口,我看國內發達地區的本地人對外省民工的態度也不比歧視有色人種的白人好得了多少.

Currently, the situation of Asian Americans in the United States is not bad.
"According to the United States 2000 Census, the median household income of Asian Americans is $55,521, higher than the majority Caucasian population"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_Minority

It may be true that the relative strength of the United States has entered a downtrend. But it's hard to predict how bad it can get in your lifetime.
On the other hand, in spite of the spectacular economic growth of recent decades, China still has many problems to solve, and it's unlikely the kind of life possible for you in present day China is satisfactory enough compared to your life in America. You can't predict how good it can get in your lifetime as well.

A practical solution may be preparing some countermeasures against national risks. A bank account abroad, some cheap real estate in an emerging economy, someone you can trust, etc.

The problem with democracy in the US is not unique. As long as governments have influence upon education and the media, the public will be brainwashed if politicians feel the need. Moreover, means of propaganda have become more efficient thanks to recent advances in technology and marketing research.

Perhaps it's really about time for a post-capitalist revolution. I think we need at least the following in a New World,
1) right to decide for ourselves the whens, whats and wheres of work
2) a system of production which allows people to work as in 1) and does not suffer from disadvantages in productivity compared to existing capitalistic establishments
3) a system of leadership which holds decisionmakers fully responsible for the effects of decisions that have an effect on the lives of others
4) free and universal access to information
5) either
  5a) right for everyone to see the details of both the amounts and changes(flows) of everyone else's material(financial) possessions
or
  5b) abolition of currency and perhaps also private ownership of sharable resources
But again it's hard to predict whether anything like this will happen in our lifetimes.

quite reasonable.

怎麼這麼多非要往身上抹白漆的黑豬啊。為什麼是豬，頭腦簡單。你以為美國真民主。。。。？我看它還不如現在的中國民主！太多事情沒法說了。漫漫體會吧。

中國人還是要在自己的土地上最好了，如果你那時想來美國，不妨號召國人發憤圖強殖民美國，那才真有本事呢。省得在這裡為自己的被判、逃跑早理由。
哈哈

一個人力量小，兩個人大一點，成千上萬人一起干，何愁祖國不強大。

只能說這世界上沒有絕對的樂土.

tqwz: have you hear about 5% principle?

it applys everywhere, therefor the whole world does not have hope!

just think about those futuristic movies of hollewood, it predicts it!

china is even worse!

[QUOTE=chickenrun8]tqwz: have you hear about 5% principle?

it applys everywhere, therefor the whole world does not have hope!

just think about those futuristic movies of hollewood, it predicts it!

china is even worse![/QUOTE]
I am not trying to discuss something only related to politics, but some thinking on some certain group of people in some certain politics circumstances.

different people may be treated differently in same politics circumstances

tqwz: have you hear about 5% principle?

it applys everywhere, therefor the whole world does not have hope!

just think about those futuristic movies of hollewood, it predicts it!

china is even worse!


is there any politics I have talked about above?  I did not meaned either.  maybe 'china' is political sensitive, I do not give a damm anyway.  here I am talking about human beings, and my experiences told me that the being in china even than those beings in USA. nothing to do with 'polis'.

however CCP does claimed that people had choosen them, it it absolutely right.

my question is why so many 'smart' countries did not choose communism movement to enhance their beings' society...  

so it is nothing to do with polis but Beings!!

if we still does not have the courage to deal with it, we deserves the what happend to us and ...

yes, you do be discussing on politics.

tqwz: yes, you do be discussing on politics.
now what the hell is this sentence supposed to mean? It seems you need a lot more english classes taken before you wanna post anything in english to make yourself look stupid.

tqwz : BEFORE SPEAKING SOMETHING OUT IN PUBLIC， TRY TO RESPECT YOURSELF AND THINK TWICE OF WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO SAY， DO NOT WASTE OTHERS『 TIME.

is that a very nice way to talk to other people while you want to discuss just the problems? you seem to attack this person and insult instead. hence I dont think you deserve any respect and time. in fact I dont even know why I am here to waste my time on you