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路德教會中兇手槍殺打胎大夫.是不是神作工?

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研究 發表於 2009-6-5 04:59 | 只看該作者
他是為健康胎兒晚期流產的醫生。
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homepeace 發表於 2009-6-5 06:04 | 只看該作者
本帖最後由 homepeace 於 2009-6-4 14:09 編輯
Tiller had been a lightning rod for abortion opponents for decades. The women's clinic he ran is one of three in the nation where abortions are performed after the 21st week of pregnancy, when the f ...
研究 發表於 2009-6-4 12:56
並不矛盾,1。在嚴重影響了母親的生命和健康時才實施的晚期墮胎。胎兒可能是viable的。2。診斷出胎兒嚴重畸形時才作的墮胎,胎兒也可能是viable的。

我記得在我們加州,正常情況下的晚期墮胎是法律禁止的。
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 樓主| hellman 發表於 2009-6-5 10:35 | 只看該作者
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神說,不許殺人。你從哪裡看到殺害這個醫生是神的旨意?
神願萬人得救,不願一人沉淪。
研究 發表於 2009-6-5 01:50

Hill, a one-time Presbyterian minister, has said God led him to shoot Dr. John Britton, 69, and his driver, James Barrett, 74, as they arrived at a Pensacola abortion clinic in July 1994.

http://www.rickross.com/reference/a-abortion/a-abortion22.html
聖經:代下15:13 凡不尋求耶和華以色列神的,無論大小,男女,必被治死.
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研究 發表於 2009-6-5 13:24 | 只看該作者
並不矛盾,1。在嚴重影響了母親的生命和健康時才實施的晚期墮胎。胎兒可能是viable的。2。診斷出胎兒嚴重畸形時才作的墮胎,胎兒也可能是viable的。

我記得在我們加州,正常情況下的晚期墮胎是法律禁止的。
homepeace 發表於 2009-6-5 06:04

在第一種情況下就有爭議了,既然胎兒離開母體已經可以存活,剖腹產即可保護孩子和母親,為什麼一定要把孩子處死呢?泰勒用藥物注射到胎兒心臟,先殺死胎兒,然後引產。
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homepeace 發表於 2009-6-5 15:48 | 只看該作者
在第一種情況下就有爭議了,既然胎兒離開母體已經可以存活,剖腹產即可保護孩子和母親,為什麼一定要把孩子處死呢?泰勒用藥物注射到胎兒心臟,先殺死胎兒,然後引產。研究 發表於 2009-6-4 21:24
第一種情況是指懷孕嚴重影響了母親的生命和健康,這時剖腹產是否適合母親的生命和健康?這應該由醫生決定,而不是宗教界。
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 樓主| hellman 發表於 2009-6-5 21:29 | 只看該作者
第一種情況是指懷孕嚴重影響了母親的生命和健康,這時剖腹產是否適合母親的生命和健康?這應該由醫生決定,而不是宗教界。
homepeace 發表於 2009-6-5 15:48

這個經常出現在孕婦病了時,大夫經常問要保嬰兒還是保大人. 沒有辦法的辦法.
聖經:代下15:13 凡不尋求耶和華以色列神的,無論大小,男女,必被治死.
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homepeace 發表於 2009-6-6 02:34 | 只看該作者
這個經常出現在孕婦病了時,大夫經常問要保嬰兒還是保大人. 沒有辦法的辦法.
hellman 發表於 2009-6-5 05:29
同意
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james2000 發表於 2009-6-6 16:36 | 只看該作者
11# hellman

神說,不許殺人。你從哪裡看到殺害這個醫生是神的旨意?
神願萬人得救,不願一人沉淪。
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約書亞記

10:10耶和華使他們在以色列人面前潰亂。約書亞在基遍大大地殺敗他們,追趕他們,在伯和侖的上坡路擊殺他們,直到亞西加和瑪基大。
10:11他們在以色列人面前逃跑,正在伯和侖下坡的時候,耶和華從天上降大冰雹(冰雹原文作石頭)在他們身上,直降到亞西加,打死他們。被冰雹打死的,比以色列人用刀殺死的還多。
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james2000 發表於 2009-6-6 16:39 | 只看該作者
http://www.michaelkeller.com/news/armas.jpg

     這個胎兒名叫Samuel Armas,當時只有21周大的他因患上胎兒脊髓病變,必需開刀為胎兒醫治。通常在這種胎兒先天有疾病的情況下,父母都會選擇流產,但Samuel Arm ...
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然而在手術的過程中,子宮中竟然伸出了一隻嬰兒的小手,並且緊緊握住了醫生的大手!

真令人感動,我好像看到Samuel握住醫生的手說:救救我!
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james2000 發表於 2009-6-6 16:43 | 只看該作者
只要他們認罪悔改。
研究 發表於 2009-6-5 03:01


信了之後不悔改呢?依然昂首闊步地進天堂?只是賞賜少一些?
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追求永生 發表於 2009-6-6 18:19 | 只看該作者
信了之後不悔改呢?依然昂首闊步地進天堂?只是賞賜少一些?
james2000 發表於 6-6-2009 03:43


悔改必須先於信。沒有悔改何談信?
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龍蟋蟀 發表於 2009-6-7 01:26 | 只看該作者
25# homepeace
同意。
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homepeace 發表於 2009-6-7 02:05 | 只看該作者
25# homepeace
同意。
龍蟋蟀 發表於 2009-6-6 09:26
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 樓主| hellman 發表於 2009-6-7 04:03 | 只看該作者
本帖最後由 hellman 於 2009-6-7 04:05 編輯

一邊說親愛的上帝,請把天堂準備好,打胎的大夫來了.
Dear God, get heaven ready, because Mr. Enthusiasm is coming," said Larry Borcherding

一邊說是上帝送來了殺手懲罰大夫,打胎是血腥謀殺.
They held signs such as "God sent the shooter" and "Abortion is bloody murder."
我越來越糊塗了,這個上帝是怎麼搞的!!!
研究好像很清楚上帝說不許殺人,這個上帝給不同的人說不同的話,肯定有一打上帝
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Delicious Digg Facebook Fark Newsvine Reddit StumbleUpon Technorati Yahoo! Bookmarks Print  AP – The casket containing the body of Dr. George Tiller is taken into the College Hill United Methodist Church … By ROXANA HEGEMAN, Associated Press Writer Roxana Hegeman, Associated Press Writer – 17 mins ago
WICHITA, Kan. – Hundreds of people gathered Saturday to honor slain abortion provider Dr. George Tiller, eulogized by a longtime friend as a passionate and generous man who repeatedly overcame difficult challenges.

Tiller's funeral at College Hill United Methodist Church also drew small groups of protesters. Police and federal marshals provided heavy security.

Tiller, one of the nation's few providers of late-term abortions, was killed by a gunshot last Sunday in the foyer of his own church, Reformation Lutheran, while he was serving as an usher and his wife was singing in the choir. His family had the funeral at the Methodist church to accommodate the large number of mourners.

His son, Maury, said the manner of his father's death resulted in an unimaginable outpouring of love and support for the family.

But he added: "I struggle with the manner he was welcomed into heaven."

Others recalled personal quirks that made him human.

Tiller's daughter, Rebecca, recalled how her father loved "Star Trek," and gave her a framed poster of Trekkie sayings for her apartment, which he promised her would bring her success if she read them each day before going out. Among his favorites were: "Live long and prosper," and, "When you go out to the universe remember, boldly go where no man has gone before."

He also was remembered for his generosity and sense of humor.

"Dear God, get heaven ready, because Mr. Enthusiasm is coming," said Larry Borcherding, of Overland Park, who first met Tiller a half-century ago when both were students at the University of Kansas. "Heaven will never be the same. It will be a better, better place with George in it."

About 700 people filled the church sanctuary and some 200 others watched a closed-circuit television broadcast in another room.

A large portrait of Tiller hung at the front of the sanctuary, and nearby was a wreath of flowers with the words "TRUST WOMEN." Some mourners wore buttons that said "Attitude is Everything."

Tiller's clinic in Wichita was among a few in the U.S. performing third-trimester abortions, and that made it a target of regular protests. Most were peaceful, but his clinic was bombed in 1986, and he was shot in both arms in 1993.

Borcherding recalled that immediately after that 1993 shooting, Tiller kept in close contact with him because Borcherding had lost his job.

"Who had a more boisterous, heartfelt laugh than George Tiller?" Borcherding said. "There are so many stories. I have many, many, many. Let's be sure to share them later."

Scott Roeder, a 51-year-old abortion opponent, was arrested a few hours after the shooting just outside Kansas City. He was charged two days later with the attack at the church, where he had occasionally attended services two months earlier.

About 30 abortion rights supporters lined a sidewalk outside the church Sunday, each holding a white carnation and one with a sign declaring Tiller, his family and his staff as "civil rights heroes." Many wore green or blue T-shirts commemorating Tiller's life, with the National Organization for Women's logo.

Most anti-abortion groups avoided the funeral, having denounced Tiller's shooting. But 17 demonstrators showed up from Westboro Baptist Church, known for picketing soldiers' funerals to present its message that their deaths are God's punishment for Americans' tolerance of homosexuality.

They held signs such as "God sent the shooter" and "Abortion is bloody murder."

Police kept them about 500 feet away from the church, mostly out of sight of people arriving for the funeral, although their shouts and singing could be heard from blocks away.

The Westboro Baptist demonstration drew about a dozen counter-demonstrators, and the two groups shouted insults at each other before the service and tried to drown each other out with singing.

"This has nothing to do with abortion," said Mark Voyles, an Army veteran from Derby who said he was upset about Westboro Baptist's attacks on soldiers.

The service also drew 50 motorcyclists from the American Legion Riders, who honored Tiller's service in the Navy. Their leader, Cregg Hansen, also from Derby, said Tiller's family asked them to be there.

"We don't get involved in politics," Hansen said. "We're here 120 percent for the veterans."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090 ... s_abortion_shooting
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