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- 回復 nnzzll
- 說了你不要生氣啊。你應該慶幸，這是一件大好事。說白了，你前妻是個超級白痴。也不掂量掂量自己是誰，有沒有人家鄧文迪那個腦子。這樣人其實何時何地都有很多，無論是公司和學校里，她們的野心就是控制一個條件不錯的男人，滿足自己的慾望和虛榮，被甩之後自己痛苦的不行。自己不努力，天下哪裡有免費的午餐啊，人家給個棒子就當真，誇她幾句不知道自己是誰了。再說難聽點，其實也許是她先動心，主動獻身給對方的。
香滿林: 她跟她老闆美國白人了。 一年後。另外一個中國女學生（倒是單身的）竟爭上崗了。我看白人稀罕的，大多是身材好胸脯大的。我前妻後來想跟我了因為在美國要找一個好 ...
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- 回復 nnzzll
- 說白了就是眼光淺，不知道自己誰了。傻的可以，還真以為自己今年20，明年18啊。
海攀: 你的前妻也是二百五，沒有把握對方娶她就跑，那不是讓人白玩嗎？楊小靜很清楚吉姆愛她，會娶她的。另一方面，吉姆只是中年人，沒有老到那種地步。
- 回復 nnzzll
- 無論哪個時代搞上床的不少，搞到能當正宮夫人的不多。
香滿林: 像鄧文迪那樣的多。沒有機會罷了。有幾個能在乘飛機的時候找到工作。女的只要主動，一定把男的搞定。我前妻搬走前幾個月跟我說「人家不會要我的」，你聽聽看！
女人最終還是要靠自己努力，沒有內在，還是白搭。
- 回復 生於70『S
- 身材好，胸脯大的我也喜歡 （誰不呢）。 心理上過不了那道坎，早點結束不是壞事。 覺得你在那事上可能過於敏感了，人不是牲口，沒那麼單純。兩口子的事都是一言難盡。
香滿林: 她跟她老闆美國白人了。 一年後。另外一個中國女學生（倒是單身的）竟爭上崗了。我看白人稀罕的，大多是身材好胸脯大的。我前妻後來想跟我了因為在美國要找一個好 ...
- 回復 smartman
- at least this time you are outspoken to state a fact. man or woman eventually needs his/her own efforts.
nnzzll: 無論哪個時代搞上床的不少，搞到能當正宮夫人的不多。
女人最終還是要靠自己努力，沒有內在，還是白搭。
- 回復 smartman
- i am calm to state. i said earlier it is completely personal viewpoint. what i meant is, if i really want to defend for zheng, i could have given tons of excuses for zheng and tons of critisim to yang. :-) it would be a too long english mini-paper -- give it up now.
海攀: 是啊，心平氣和地聊聊天吧。
- 回復 smartman
- let me present my first statement:
ultravires: 何必呢，和氣生財。
did yang really remember her oath when she married zheng?
"regardless of rich or poor, healthy or sick, smooth or difficult, you will spend all your life to live with this man"? should we insert one more sentence, "regardless of his hard-work or idleness"?
- 回復 nnzzll
- 哈哈，其實也不算率直。只現在很多人不相信努力，更相信『不勞而獲』的神話，什麼都想速成。有些中國的女人思想更加複雜，又想省力，又想嫁得好。老天你光憑你年輕漂亮，內心什麼都不懂，能持續幾天啊。這裡說的不懂，不光是指知識/學問。沒有人是不憑努力就能有成就的，能升到教授，boss就說明他/她曾經付出的努力更多，奮鬥的心態常人很難理解。但是有些女人只看到人家表面的風光，根本理解不了人家的思想，一味按她的水平要求這，要求那。時間長了，一膩味不被甩還等什麼。也有很多自力更生的女人，不一定學問有多高，長得有多麼漂亮，發自內心的魅力，讓誰都想和她說幾句話。
smartman: at least this time you are outspoken to state a fact. man or woman eventually needs his/her own efforts.
- 回復 ultravires
- 恩。
海攀: 正常女孩吧，不是聖人。
- 回復 ultravires
- 男人總也要做點什麼吧，總不能每天光打牌，打遊戲，打醬油吧。
smartman: let me present my first statement:
did yang really remember her oath when she married zheng?
"regardless of rich or poor, healthy or sick, sm ...
誓言是相互的，就像愛也一樣。
- 回復 smartman
- has zheng rebelled his oath? never! it is yang who did it!
ultravires: 男人總也要做點什麼吧，總不能每天光打牌，打遊戲，打醬油吧。
誓言是相互的，就像愛也一樣。
zheng has done quite a lot for yang for years. he worked hard to get scholarship from us best school. he brought yang to the us. he did not ask her to do anything, either working in a restaurant or lab. he loved her wholly-heartedly and never got involved in any adultry issue.
ZHENG DID NOT FORCE YANG TO DO ANYTHING SHE IS UNCOMROTFABLE TO DO, E.G., FORCING HER TO GO ACK TO SCHOOL TO EARN A DEGREE.
IT IS YANG WHO FORCED ZHENG TO PURSUE A PHD IN ORDER TO SATISFY HER VANITY.
if yang so desires a large house and decent life, why would she strive for it by her own efforts? she should go back to school, earn her phd and a decent job and buy a bug house?!
why could yang put her dream-realizing burden on her husband's shoulder? if yang dislikes school and exam, why should she require zheng to have to bear it?
what is wrong if zheng ends up with a master degree and works as a technician, rather than a professor?
- 回復 smartman
- gee, if 50% of current chinese beautiful women understand and follow your point, i bet the morale of chinese will be enhanced by 100%.
nnzzll: 哈哈，其實也不算率直。只現在很多人不相信努力，更相信『不勞而獲』的神話，什麼都想速成。有些中國的女人思想更加複雜，又想省力，又想嫁得好。老天你光憑你年 ...
we should recommend to the Chinese central government to create for you a position called "Minister, Department of Women Enmancipation and Reeducation"!
- 回復 ultravires
- has zheng rebelled his oath? never! it is yang who did it!
smartman: has zheng rebelled his oath? never! it is yang who did it!
zheng has done quite a lot for yang for years. he worked hard to get scholarship from u ...
zheng has done quite a lot for yang for years. he worked hard to get scholarship from us best school. he brought yang to the us. he did not ask her to do anything, either working in a restaurant or lab. he loved her wholly-heartedly and never got involved in any adultry issue.
男人給他心愛的女人這些是應該的，因為這個社會是不公平的，充滿對女人的歧視。女人需要愛她的男人來保護她，使她可以藐視這些歧視。
ZHENG DID NOT FORCE YANG TO DO ANYTHING SHE IS UNCOMROTFABLE TO DO, E.G., FORCING HER TO GO ACK TO SCHOOL TO EARN A DEGREE.
那是因為他們沒有錢讀了，另外大衛自己不喜歡學習，怎麼會去逼其他人學習呢？（不僅僅是小楊，換其他人他也不會逼）
IT IS YANG WHO FORCED ZHENG TO PURSUE A PHD IN ORDER TO SATISFY HER VANITY.
要不，要我們男人幹嘛。
if yang so desires a large house and decent life, why would she strive for it by her own efforts? she should go back to school, earn her phd and a decent job and buy a bug house?!
那要我們男人有什麼用。
why could yang put her dream-realizing burden on her husband's shoulder? if yang dislikes school and exam, why should she require zheng to have to bear it?
那要我們男有什麼用。
what is wrong if zheng ends up with a master degree and works as a technician, rather than a professor?
如果大衛努力了，但是只能那樣了的話，我相信小楊不會為難她的
你看在最後第二段的最後一句話，其實那個是小楊帶給大衛的話，我甚至覺得，這個時候小楊還沒有走出那一步。
另外這位大哥，這個話題我的發言到此為止。你有什麼想說的就隨意了。要不就變成我們兩在寫了。
- 回復 nnzzll
- 可惜，這樣的女人通常被稱為『剩女』。
smartman: gee, if 50% of current chinese beautiful women understand and follow your point, i bet the morale of chinese will be enhanced by 100%.
we sh ...
- 回復 smartman
- really? are you kidding? do 剩女 belong to this type? is this the reason or the outcome these women become 剩女?
nnzzll: 可惜，這樣的女人通常被稱為『剩女』。
i read on backchina.com a comment that US becomes the best place in the world to absorb chinese 剩女s. so, i advocate US should welcome and import such independent, self-improved 剩女s. the more, the better. these 剩女s work hard to contribute to, rather than, take from the society.
- 回復 smartman
- this time, let me seriously answer your question. (the previous posting was kidding.)
nnzzll: 可惜，這樣的女人通常被稱為『剩女』。
we/men admire these independent, self-improved wemen. this group of wemen, however, still carries the traditional mindset that a woman has to marry a husband better than herself. this severely limits the scope of their choices and drives them into 剩女』s group.
if they are open-minded and willing to accept men who are not as successful as themselves, they should have much more choices. on the other hand, while some women did make such choices, they should treat their inferior husbands equally and politely. if they maintain the demanding attitude of superiority in their daily life to their husband, their marriage may still go astray some day.
- 回復 smartman
- 1. men are willing to do something or everything out of their love. but not their obligations. in return, women are not obliged, but should contribute the same to their loved ones. obviously zheng has done much more to yang while yang has returned little to zheng. she was always insatiable and never appreciated what zheng had done to her, even from the first day, little thinking zheng spent $400 to purchase a new mattress -- a significant amount for a poor phd student. remember zheng's salary is slightly over $1000 per month.
ultravires: has zheng rebelled his oath? never! it is yang who did it!
zheng has done quite a lot for yang for years. he worked hard to get scholarship from u ...
2. this society is unequal not only to woman but also to men, especially in the US where chinese men are under much greater pressure than in domestic china. has yang shown her genuine efforts in understanding and helping zheng over these discriminations and obstacles? has yang really shared the pains and angony zheng experienced for years? NO AT ALL.
3. yang has constantly, from day one, pushed zheng to get his phd degree, become a famous professor and be able to afford a big house in a noble neighborhood. she is abusing and using her husband to realize her personal, selfish dream because she is obviously unable to realize her unrealistic dream by herself alone. does she ever care about and try to understand what zheng's dream is? why her husband must live up to her standard and follow her suit? why should zheng have to abondon his lifestyle and do something he really hates to do, merely to satisfy Yang's vanity and dream?
4. 大衛自己不喜歡學習，怎麼會去逼其他人學習呢？
however, why yang 自己不喜歡學習，but push and force 去逼zheng 學習呢？if you really hate doing something, how come you force your husband to do that?
Remember Confucion said, "you hate something, do not force it to others". (Ji Suo Bo Yu, Hu Shi Yu Ren.)
5. "那要我們男人有什麼用。"
look, your idealogy is -- man is obliged to sacrifice himself completely in order to satisfy his wife, for whatever the wife's dream is. that is no room for discussion if you hold this as your axiom.
look, you used this "seemingly axiom" three times!
6. 如果大衛努力了，但是只能那樣了的話，我相信小楊不會為難她的
i hardly agree with you.
6A. this is something zheng utterly hates to do for all his lifetime. if you force a person to do something he really hates to do for his lifetime, what outcome can you expect? eh?
6B. zheng has put his tremendous efforts already for years to, take TOFEL and GRE, study hard, get admitted into Harvard, tackle his most hatred things in the world. he managed to take courses, satsify GPA requirements, pass his qualifying exams, so on and so forth. has yang realized and appreciated his year-long efforts so far?
6C. even if zheng tried his best efforts and still failed to get his phd, i bet yang will forever complain to zheng and will never forgive zheng unless zheng was able to realize her dream of big house in a noble neighborhood. i believe you are naiive to say, 我相信小楊不會為難她的. for beautiful women of vanity, their desires are constantly escalating and instaiable!!!
additional remarks:
A. chinese has an old saying: words advised are less effective than behavious presented. (Yan Chuang Bo Ruo Shen Jia).
B. to educate their kids into better school scores, in domestic china, many parents pick up their kids textbooks and do every homework exercise together with their kids and again grow up with their kids. their kids stand out among their peers under their parents' role model.
C. if yang is so anxious to realize her dream, she should pick up her books and make herself a school-type person to earn at least a master degree from a challenging program. if she could remodel and change herself completely into a school type, zheng could then be influenced and gradually become a school-type person, too. (if not, then yang can claim she have input all her efforts and she can request divorce without guilty.) rememeber, only when you loves an area (at least not hate an area) can you engage your lifetime in that area.
D. unless yang changed zheng into a person not hating books and schools, how come she expect zheng will devote his lifetime into a research-oriented, professorial career? if yang is so determined, yang should change herself first and demonstrate to zheng that, even a non-school type pretty woman can change from a book-hated person into a book worm, why a man can't?
- 回復 香滿林
- 西人騙人的時候一點不輸於中國人。剛開始的時候，聽音樂會，看芭蕾舞，乘遊艇釣魚，生日的時候在外面開會還郵寄了一索花。把她那個感動的呀。我那時候哪舍的50元去買索花，更別說乘遊艇了。到新鮮勁過了，那老闆一心放在課題和PAPER上。聽說他那個有關神經細胞生長的PAPER發表在CELL上了。等她老闆有了新歡后，就對她說，文化興趣愛好差異了。那新上位的也是中國女孩呀，沒文化興趣愛好差異了？ 我前妻還因為他專門去搞懂橄欖球和冰球規則吶。再看那巴特曼，在想追那洋妞的時候，搭上了小靜。巴特曼的感情怎麼轉的這麼快呀。很快發現了新目標。小靜一開始如果象那洋妞那樣明確的告訴他，就不可能發展下去了。希望小靜最後沒有被文化差異掉。
海攀: 你的前妻也是二百五，沒有把握對方娶她就跑，那不是讓人白玩嗎？楊小靜很清楚吉姆愛她，會娶她的。另一方面，吉姆只是中年人，沒有老到那種地步。