國軍是消極抗戰嗎？－訪抗日名將孫元良將軍

alex, thanks, now I have the full version.

再說長江,

for last 2 years, I having being travling in china, china was only look good in a glance (accuritly 1 month max you can stay), or we will found a lot ugly things...  those reminded me that why I left in first place and just be how lucky left there early personally. however I do admire those my school mates were still got guts to live there and struggling for their own life and a better future of china.

without talking about the political aspect of the china, I reckon that china got everything but not a 'refeeding' system in the society like free media, independent judicial system...., it will leads chaotic situation in the end. Plus a large government eventually leads to waste the resourse of all because of organizational behavior... (a extra expenditure of the ccp party system creating extra cost.. eventurely will be beard by the most bottom of the society there.)  it is all to do with risk management and efficiency without talking into the weakness of human beings..

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOD

我是上海人，一直生活在大陸。如果說老毛七分功績三分過失，那老蔣正相反。比較一下抗日戰爭和抗美援朝的結果，是不是消極抗戰就不言而喻了。至於孫元良，哈哈，我只得承認，假得太可愛了。

讀讀抗戰史，就好像讀清史一樣，慘不忍睹。韓戰結果如何？敗軍之將何感言勇，有人敢啊。可笑

韓戰?

if there was no russian and socialist block in the back, I think the result will be much different.  Yanky's only fear were red russian! not chinese peasent army!

留學博士後為什麼用英文回復？中文不會表達了？先前不是很溜嗎？回俄國的飛機票都買不起了，哈哈！你真的相信了？我倒真有些相信你相信了。如有冒犯，請原諒我的無知。

我對毛澤東，崇敬有加。對蔣介石，深深佩服他的中國人立場。對於歷史恩怨，不用我多說，讓歷史來評價。對愛國華僑，佩服！

笑話，韓戰是誰在真刀真槍在乾的？是阿拉燈後面的那個影子？不錯，美國是顧慮俄國，但又怎麼樣？是不是因此不敢踏上朝鮮半島了？沒有啊。還是領導聯合國部隊參戰了呀。小日本不害怕美國？不害怕全世界反法西斯同盟？

回俄國的飛機票都買不起了，哈哈！你真的相信了？我倒真有些相信你相信了。

I understand that in china, it is hard to believe anything!  that was and is one of reason why I choose not to come back but to stay out of there.

離題萬里，不過都是真話。

唉，也許吧。離題是太遠了，到此為止吧，別傷了和氣。反正都是愛國，看問題不過角度不同。

到底哪個是真的？

[QUOTE=chickenrun8]韓戰?

if there was no russian and socialist block in the back, I think the result will be much diff...[/QUOTE]

你這是明顯的瞧不起中國人自己的力量的思維方法.

[QUOTE=chickenrun8]韓戰?

if there was no russian and socialist block in the back, I think the result will be much diff...[/QUOTE]

實在是悲哀！明明勝了，卻不敢相信事實。幸好不會再有什麼《中法條約》[:433:]

請作者思考拿放大鏡看一切是否合適？
國軍內部有抗戰派和頑固派，史書的表述是國民黨頑固派，也就是說是國民黨內的頑固派。中共的史書中有大量的篇幅寫國民黨抗戰派的奮鬥和功勛，國民黨的史書中又有沒有講述中共抗戰功績的內容？作者怎麼不拿放大鏡在這裡看一下呢？！

再請作者看看這篇文章就好辦了。
http://club.backchina.com/main/showthread.php?t=389600

無恥的人終究會被人鄙視的！
老而不死是為賊--以前是顧念其是黃埔學生，參加抗戰有功。現在看來，經過了這麼多年，老匹夫依然是自以為是、顛倒黑白的臭狗屎，枉費中共的尊重！

國軍是消極抗戰嗎？別的我不敢説，但以我父親所屬的中國空軍軍宮學校十二期畢業時的八十多人至抗戰勝利時只剩一半，死的都是在中國長空大地之上，他們是真正為保家國，存民族而捐軀，這是消極的嗎？

國軍是消極抗戰???

so many heros defending the nation died in the conflict of party politics...  it is history now, still a lot of clouds above..  gradually it will go away and these heros will prevail...

you guys there, some of them are young, some of those discribsion upon warfare against japs of chinese army are disclosed now in a cautious fashion, however, these kind of disclosure were already kind resualt  of people pursueing truth... and for sure, it was not there 20 years ago...   in another 10 years there will be more to be disclosed... by that time, those real hero suvived those days all passed away.....     remember there are few there  only now...  

I still remember an ex-medic of chinese army in anti-jap war, he was forced to clean those public toilets for almost life in our neigbourhood...  his beautiful wife were rescued  by him from a suicide during the culture revalution...   

remember: opposing someone or some party does not constitue crime which should be punished in such way...

some were punished just because they took part in the national military force against foreign invation and internal revolt.

[QUOTE=YellowTiger]國軍是消極抗戰嗎？別的我不敢説，但以我父親所屬的中國空軍軍宮學校十二期畢業時的八十多人至抗戰勝利時只剩一半，死的都是在中國長空大地之上，他們是真正為保家國，存民族而捐軀，這是消極的嗎？[/QUOTE]

國軍是消極抗戰嗎？這句話是從總體上說的，其中並沒有否認個別戰場是英勇抗敵的。以偏概全，就不好說了，對嗎？湘桂戰場，國軍一瀉千里，還不算消極嗎？更不提東三省了