毛澤東的」政績「？

原帖由 buweizhai 於 2009-2-7 09:50 發表 [毛澤東的」政績「？ - 學術教育 -  backchina.com]  


有證據就提出來，說明每十個人里甚至每五個人里就有一個被餓死了，只要能證明，那就是事實。不能就是謊言。 ...

有證據就提出來，說明每十個人里甚至每五個人里就有一個被餓死了，只要能證明，那就是事實。同樣的如無人能證實是假的，那就是謠言 。。。。不是謊言。

在下支持「維護漢字准確性」  

[ 本帖最後由 黃老虎搶親 於 2009-2-8 13:52 編輯 ]

原帖由 搞清后在贊 於 2009-2-7 09:57 發表 [毛澤東的」政績「？ - 學術教育 -  backchina.com]  
老毛能把一個被人踩在腳下的國家變成一個如今能與西方強國對等的國家奠定基礎，就這點毛就可贊贊。要爭具體事務，就搞不清爽了。我想這世上沒有一個黨或一個人能沒污點和錯誤，但能改就好。

就是嘛 。。但是要知錯才能改！！

不能客觀面對歷史，又怎能知道錯處而從中吸取教訓？這就是本帖子的中心要點！！

難道說掩蓋事實真相就是愛國嗎？這是本人的提出的問題。

本人認為確認大地震的死亡人數需要時間，本人願意給政府一定的時間來做這個工作。

但是這並不是說他們可以在有了結論后不報告。這和愛國根本沒有關係。你所提出來的文章並不新鮮，國內早已有報道。把為了維護自己的官職等同於愛國是對愛國這個詞語的褻瀆。

別吵，小屁孩什麼都不懂，毛時代沒餓死一人都是吃太飽撐死

原帖由 buweizhai 於 2009-2-7 12:27 發表 [毛澤東的」政績「？ - 學術教育 -  backchina.com]  
難道說掩蓋事實真相就是愛國嗎？這是本人的提出的問題。

本人認為確認大地震的死亡人數需要時間，本人願意給政府一定的時間來做這個工作。

但是這並不是說他們可以在有了結論后不報告。這和愛國根本沒有關係。 ...

好，就讓在下分析一下閣下的帖子，看看毛病在那？

（一）閣下在31樓說「你可以質疑政府的工作效率，但是把掩蓋真相和愛國聯繫起來，真是扯淡」 現在又說「掩蓋事實真相就是愛國嗎？」- 請問除了你個人的帖子外，還有誰在把掩蓋真相和愛國聯繫起來？看來，這是閣下在自言自語。
（二）「並不是說他們可以在有了結論后不報告」 – 本人在34樓的帖子中不是已引用新華社的新聞稿子來證明當時中國政府確想不對外宣布真相嗎？閣下不是看不懂吧？
（三）「你所提出來的文章並不新鮮，國內早已有報道」 –那篇新聞搞子是2006年七月二十七號所發的，那當然是不新鮮唷。問題是為什麼閣下到今時今日還不肯承認中國政府確有封鎖新聞的政策？
（四）「把為了維護自己的官職等同於愛國是對愛國這個詞語的褻瀆」 –請問在這百多篇的帖子中，除了你個人外，還有誰說維護官職等同於愛國？閣下這不是又在自言自語嗎？

看來現在閣下的思想實是太混亂了 。。。唉

原帖由 黃老虎搶親 於 2009-2-7 13:29 發表 [毛澤東的」政績「？ - 學術教育 -  backchina.com]  


看來現在閣下的思想實是太混亂了 。。。唉  

原封不動送還給你。哈哈哈。Enough is enough.

有些人別在這胡亂評論毛澤東。如果不是毛澤東堅決不聽馬寅初的，可能這世界就沒有你這一號啦。能來這五彩繽紛的世界上走一遭，你要感謝偉大的毛澤東。

原帖由 buweizhai 於 2009-2-7 17:12 發表 [毛澤東的」政績「？ - 學術教育 -  backchina.com]  


原封不動送還給你。哈哈哈。Enough is enough.

呵，呵，呵 。。。以為以閣下的學術修養，可以不費吹灰之力為你自己論點滔滔 不斷的來雄辯一番。看來在下是大跌眼鏡了。

不過實話實說，這真不像閣下這種咬文嚼字專家的作風。現以這種方式來打退堂鼓，實是大失閣下一向的水準唷。

本人是尊重言論自由，既然閣下要鳴金收兵，那就任隨尊便。

[ 本帖最後由 黃老虎搶親 於 2009-2-7 22:35 編輯 ]

對餓死人這件事我一直搞不清楚，請賜教。人幾天不吃飯會餓死？按照我的想法，最長一個星期（已經很長了）。在3年自然災害期應該是沒有糧食而餓死人吧，我想。那這樣的話，應該是集中在一段時間，不應該是今天沒飯吃了，明天又有飯吃了，應該是大家都沒飯吃，沒法你救濟我，我救濟你。再一個問題，沒飯吃是一家人都沒飯吃，還是一家人中的某個人沒飯吃？我想是一家人吧，不可能兒子吃，爸媽不吃吧？那也就是一家人一家人的死。先說這麼多，等你們反駁了，我再提繼續的認為不合情理的地方，關於餓死人這個事。

無聊的SB這么多，老毛都死了，還討論論個球。說那麼多廢話又有什麼用呢，你一個小小草民能改變什麼。說來道去就那幾句低腦容量的廢話。你有本事討論還活著的，胡和江，胡說八道的話，你回大陸的話，自己心裡會恐懼的。

做人要多記人家的好處，長處；要學會客觀的分析和解決問題。

原帖由 macker2008 於 2009-2-7 23:38 發表 [毛澤東的」政績「？ - 學術教育 -  backchina.com]  
無聊的SB這么多，老毛都死了，還討論論個球。說那麼多廢話又有什麼用呢，你一個小小草民能改變什麼。說來道去就那幾句低腦容量的廢話。你有本事討論還活著的，胡和江，胡說八道的話，你回大陸的話，自己心裡會恐懼的 ...

請問i]macker2008閣下
1. 知道什麼是言論自由嗎？
2. 不正視歷史，又怎能從中吸取教訓？

就憑閣下這句「你一個小小草民能改變什麼」，本人就可斷定閣下是一個自鳴清高，畏頭縮尾的典型奴隸 。。。呵，呵，呵  

[ 本帖最後由 黃老虎搶親 於 2009-2-8 03:37 編輯 ]

原帖由 黃老虎搶親 於 2009-2-7 04:01 發表 [毛澤東的」政績「？ - 學術教育 -  backchina.com]  


Here are my answers to your questions:

1)        How do you define 政績 of a leader? According to the Chinese Dictionary, 政績is defined as achievements in one's official career i.e.指施政的成績.
2)         ...

政績is defined as achievements in one's official career i.e.指施政的成績. Yes, it's correct. As such, you should provide a complete set of data, both positive and negative, if you really want to righteously or objectively judge or evaluate the 政績 of a leader. But you DID NOT. You also said you do not have or could not find the data in other areas, such as Industry, agriculture, science and technology, national defence, education, public health, tec., especially those data positive for the achievement. As such, can you still think that and how can you convince others that you are righteously or objectively judge Mao's 政績?

I would advise NOT to judge Mao's 政績 using only negative data, especially only based on negative opinions. Otherwise, others would say you are just doing whatever you want for your own ppurpose.

原帖由 JGL123 於 2009-2-8 01:42 發表 [毛澤東的」政績「？ - 學術教育 -  backchina.com]  


政績is defined as achievements in one's official career i.e.指施政的成績. Yes, it's correct. As such, you should provide a complete set of data, both positive and negative, if you really want to r ...

I am afraid you have totally missed the key point of my previous posting i.e. "This forum is by no means an information center, this is just a platform for people to voice their opinions"

For your information, I have no interest whatsoever in trying to convince anyone here.  The purpose of posting an article in a forum like this is to generate enough interest and conversations so one can gather different opinions from others.  On the contrary to your belief, I am NOT looking support from anyone regarding my opinions about Mao.

Not sure where the heck do you get the idea that I am only posting negative comments about Mao?  If you have followed all the postings, then you would have noticed that in many of my postings, I have clearly distinguished and listed Mao』s other great achievements since his great revolution leading to the born of a NEW China.

Thanks for your advice, but my objective in this forum is to post an interesting topic here to allow people to voice their own opinions. As far as I am concerned, the more diversified of their opinions, the better for all of us so we can learn from each others.

As I said, this is what Freedom of Speech all about.

PS. My advice to you (JGL123) is to learn Chinese typing.  Keep in mind, this is a Chinese forum where many of  the readers might not feel comfortable reading English here. So, if you want to get your idea/opinion across to a broader audience then you better learn Chinese Typing fast. (I would suggest try "拼音打字「，it is a lot easier for people like myself who have not written Chinese in a long time and have forgotten the Chinese Calligraphy).

[ 本帖最後由 黃老虎搶親 於 2009-2-8 03:26 編輯 ]

[quote]原帖由 黃老虎搶親 於 2009-2-8 03:21 發表 [毛澤東的」政績「？ - 學術教育 -  backchina.com]  

Thanks for advice too. Actually I also prefer to use Chinese to address the issues related to China. Sorry in this computer there is no Chinese input function available.

Two points. First, the title of the your post, 毛澤東的」政績「？, already clearly tells that you are judging or evaluating 毛澤東的政績. Second, the fact is no positive data are listed in your original post (even though there are some postive opinions in some folllowing posts).

原帖由 JGL123 於 2009-2-8 04:13 發表 [毛澤東的」政績「？ - 學術教育 -  backchina.com]  
[quote]原帖由 黃老虎搶親 於 2009-2-8 03:21 發表 [毛澤東的」政績「？ - 學術教育 -  backchina.com]  

Thanks for advice too. Actually I also prefer to use Chinese to address the issues related to Chin ...

Try to go to Control Panel/Date, Time, and Language Options/add another language/then select Simplified or Traditional Chinese, this will enable your key board to type Chinese using 「Pin Yin」.

True, there weren』t any positive comment about Mao in this original posting which I collected from 3 different HK and Taiwan forums (that is why there』s nothing positive about Mao…..hahahaha)  But, please understand my objective is to use this controversial topic to stimulate feedback from others so I can learn from them.

If you have a chance then please read my other posting孫中山，鄧小平，毛澤東，及蔣介石， 誰是英雄？誰是狗熊？which was posted about a week earlier. After reading that article then you will notice that I do consider Mao as a Hero.

The other interesting fact is, after reading all these postings, I literally have learned something new about the 中國近代史 which helps me tremendously in understanding what actually had happened in China since the rise of Mao. So, thanks to everyone who have contributed to all my postings.

As far as I am concerned, Mission is accomplished!!   

[ 本帖最後由 黃老虎搶親 於 2009-2-8 05:14 編輯 ]

原帖由 黃老虎搶親 於 2009-2-7 22:31 發表 [毛澤東的」政績「？ - 學術教育 -  backchina.com]  


呵，呵，呵 。。。以為以閣下的學術修養，可以不費吹灰之力為你自己論點滔滔 不斷的來雄辯一番。看來在下是大跌眼鏡了。

不過實話實說，這真不像閣下這種咬文嚼字專家的作風。現以這種方式來打退堂鼓，實是 ...

呵呵呵。在下剛就幾個差別巨大的數字提出了質疑，就被先生打了幾棒子。有提出什麼掩蓋真相就是愛國。只好不說了。呵呵呵

黃老虎同學收集的的主要是來自於鄧共或鄧幫的資料。如果你再去收集一些毛共的資料，綜合分析研究，就會得出一個比較正確的結論了。不管怎麼說，中國的老百姓，絕大多數對毛都十分崇敬，包括現在年輕一代。他們不是傻瓜。右派精英們在解釋這一現象時說，這是因為毛時代距離今天已經年代久遠，他們大多數人沒經歷過或已經淡忘了那個年代。這是狡辯，因為，他們根本無法解釋為什麼人們不去崇拜毛之前的蔣介石或毛后之的鄧小平。一般來說，人民對現實不滿，都會自然而然的產生懷舊情緒，懷念以前的領導人。當然，如果他們覺得鄧或蔣都比毛偉大，自然會去懷念鄧或蔣而不是毛澤東的。這說明，除了極少數敵視工農和下層窮人的知識分子，人民還是有自己正確的抉擇的。

謝謝，評論得蠻有趣，讓我長進了知識。

To LZ:

One point, if you had listed both negative and positive data and opions about Mao and Mao's achievements on his post in your posted article, I would have not questioned your motive or intention. You can make a right and objective evaluation or judge about Mao's achievements and contributions only after you have analized both positive and negative data and opinions relevant to him, and have well learned the history of China. If so, you maybe change your opinions on Mao's contributions to China and the Chinese people as well as Mao's achievements on his post.