得救的把握與神的警告

20# sousuo

這麼一會兒又把知道自己得沒得救改成知道自己信沒信了，有譜沒譜啊你？
告訴你吧，就算你知道自己信了，你也確認不了自己信得是否正確。人腦子永遠也明白不了神的道理，這你們基督徒常說的話正好用在這裡。
結果到頭來，還是啥也不知道，瞎信，自己騙騙自己給個心理安慰而已。

21# 溫和寶

我也說了無數遍了。

人不能明白神，除非他向我們啟示；他啟示了，我們也就明白了。

關於得救的事，他啟示的很清楚，所以我們就明白的很清楚。

不全明白和全不明白的距離是很大的，神把該讓我們明白的，明明白白啟示給我們，讓我們信的明明白白。

21# 溫和寶


信就得救，知道自己信不信和知道得沒得救，沒譜？

Brother Wen, you are talking in air.

Who allows you to make judgment on others for the matter of salvation?

Nobody can make that kind of judgment on others.

We believe we are granted salvaton by God with seal in two aspects: God's promise and our faith.

At most you can talk about yourself on this matter, since you have none mentioned above.

18# sousuo

希特勒人家也「信而受洗」了的。
溫和寶 發表於 21-4-2009 09:39

How do you know he set the faith on God?

25# 追求永生

How do you know he didn't? At least he claimed that he did, as all you guys did.

25# 追求永生

How do you know he didn't? At least he claimed that he did, as all you guys did.
龍蟋蟀 發表於 21-4-2009 10:33

Haha, you can let him talk it, not by Wen saying it affirmatively.

Does this make sense, brother?

27# 追求永生

well, I mean that Hitler claimed that he had faith in your God as you did. So, he definitely was saved, at least according to himself, just as that you think you are saved, according to what you think.

28# 龍蟋蟀



你要認為希特勒也得救了，我也不攔著。

我說的是，別人得不得救，我不知道。

但，我知道，如果我信，我得救。

29# sousuo

希望你讀懂了我的蹩腳英文，我說了我要認為希特勒得救了嗎？

27# 追求永生

well, I mean that Hitler claimed that he had faith in your God as you did. So, he definitely was saved, at least according to himself, just as that you think you are saved, according ...
龍蟋蟀 發表於 21-4-2009 10:42

Understanable. The problem is that brother Wen cannot affirm it. His problem is that he affirmes Hitler's salvation, but deny our salvation. Most importantly, deny the grace of God on salvation.

27# 追求永生

well, I mean that Hitler claimed that he had faith in your God as you did. So, he definitely was saved, at least according to himself, just as that you think you are saved, according ...
龍蟋蟀 發表於 21-4-2009 10:42

Another thing you have to be aware: claim to  having faith is not equal to actually having faith. Only God can judge whether they are equal or not.

But for everyone's own faith, it is a matter between the involved individual and the God. When we talk the faith of ourselves, we know our own situation, but others can't know it.

這些人是混入基督徒的披著羊皮的狼。 ...
追求永生 發表於 2009-4-21 19:36

那你還是以行為來判斷有沒有得救或信不信？

sousuo


信就得救，知道自己信不信和知道得沒得救，沒譜？
sousuo 發表於 2009-4-21 23:19

雅各書
2:19你信神只有一位，你信的不錯。鬼魔也信，卻是戰兢。
2:20虛浮的人哪，你願意知道沒有行為的信心是死的麽。

2:24這樣看來，人稱義是因著行為，不是單因著信。

33# james2000

哈，聰明。基督教們經常把犯法的神父等等踢出基督教，說明他們還是以行為看人。

35# 龍蟋蟀

有什麼聰明的，只不過說了句實話。

人除了看行為，還能看什麼，所以才不要論斷。

但神是鑒察人心的，所以，從一開始討論就是：得救的事，神知己知，別人不知，同理，我們也不知別人。

36# sousuo
說實話的人最聰明，因為不必要總是要記住自己說了什麼樣的謊話以免穿幫。既然你們也不知道別人得救與否，就不能說他人是不是真基督徒，對吧？

37# 龍蟋蟀

做一般性介紹還可以，但非要讓俺給誰誰＂定性＂，那不行，幹不了那活。

那，得救了又不能上天堂的人呆在哪兒啊？
龍蟋蟀 發表於 2009-4-21 00:56

蛐蛐罐。

39# 朽木

有時間給多說兩句吧，那文章的觀點有點怪。