基督復活 - 直接證據

7# 追求永生

「你認為的神應該是什麼樣，」哈哈，人家說過有「神」了嗎？真會誆人，把神的概念強加於人。

MstPrfdcm 發表於 10-4-2009 09:43

If not relating to God, why you or anybody join this discussion solely relating to God and His salvational work?

邏輯 + common sense
龍蟋蟀 發表於 10-4-2009 09:53

Thank you for answering.

Do you think it deeper:

All logic must begin with something as granted that does not need or is unable to prove. What is that in your mind when you use logic?

Secondly, when you say common sense, how common? How do you think Christian's worldview is not common? Even you don't agree with that right now the Christians are majority in population, at least still the significant portion.

Do not assume what you have in your mind about the logic and the common sense everyone accepts, please.

Do not assume what you have in your mind about the logic and the common sense everyone accepts, please.
追求永生 發表於 2009-4-10 23:08

希望你在談基督徒的世界觀是大多數的時候，記住你自己說的這句話。我沒有要convince你耶穌沒有復活，而是在質疑你提出來的「直接」證據。

希望你在談基督徒的世界觀是大多數的時候，記住你自己說的這句話。我沒有要convince你耶穌沒有復活，而是在質疑你提出來的「直接」證據。
龍蟋蟀 發表於 10-4-2009 10:34

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What ever you said here is only your personal opinion that you used to opposite the theologians.
Frankly speaking, your personsal opinion is less likely correct and acceptable.

Of course in your opinion, my opinion is not as likely correct and acceptable as yours. But your opinion is just opinion, with no facts or any evidence except from the book of bible, which contains mistakes and contraditions, like many other old texts, though you theologians have been striving desparatly to twist the absurd storied into something acceptable to modern audience using the most crooked ways of thinking .

You say bible is truth simply you are indoctrinated by it and profited from propagating the story. My opinion, though is opinion, has more facts, evidence and common sense to support it.  There are too many common sense evidence to show the absurdity of the christian "faith".

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Secondly, when you say common sense, how common? How do you think Christian's worldview is not common? Even you don't agree with that right now the Christians are majority in population, at least still the significant portion.

In the past, the majority of people thought the earth is flat, and the sun revolved aroun the sun, as the christian theologians thought. It's high time to drop the old superstition now.

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If not relating to God, why you or anybody join this discussion solely relating to God and His salvational work?

You are a little narrow-minded, not able to think of other alternatives. I joined the conversation to show you that you had better give up the erroneous way of thinking and live a better life. Though I did this with good intention, you tend to think that I am insulting your faith. Remember, something good can't be insulted.

The idea of God is a creation of human mind and "salvation" is made-up concept from the old middle eastern area in the human development. Just like the concept of "bleeding" in medicine in the old times, "salvation" should be thrown into the trash.

You guys from China don't learn good things from the West, but pick up the trash - christianity, what a pity! Don't get offened, that's my opinioin, of course.

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Of course in your opinion, my opinion is not as likely correct and acceptable as yours. But your opinion is just opinion, with no facts or any evidence except from the book of bi ...
MstPrfdcm 發表於 10-4-2009 12:26

There is significant difference: my opinion is the understanding of the biblical teaching; but your opinion is only your opinion, what you based on to establish your opinion? I mean the established sources.

Again, the facts and common sense cannot exclude the Christians' viewpoints, I think you should see and agree it withougt difficulties.

BTW, you can use Chinese and I can read it; the reason I have to use English is that I could not type Chinese from my working place. Thank you for your being so considerate.

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In the past, the majority of people thought the earth is flat, and the sun revolved aroun the sun, as the christian theologians thought. It's high time to drop the old superstition ...
MstPrfdcm 發表於 10-4-2009 12:29

Past is the past. Nobody is still to keep it. However, the true truth ensures the time. What I don't agree is the theology that treat everything relative and nothing absolute.

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You are a little narrow-minded, not able to think of other alternatives. I joined the conversation to show you that you had better give up the erroneous way of thinking and live a  ...
MstPrfdcm 發表於 10-4-2009 12:39

I try to relate everything in this world to the unlimited Being. If you think that is narrow-minded, you are right. However, in my mind, if a person believe seeing is believing, or the identical term, sensing is believing, that kind of mindset is really narrow-minded.

As to trash, nothing is really trash; but everyting's value is different. Only the value that lasts forever is worthwile paying attention.

一看標題我還以為又有什麼新發現了呢，原來還是老一套。這也能稱作直接證據？別搞笑了。

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say bible is truth simply you are indoctrinated by it and profited from propagating the story. My opinion, though is opinion, has more facts, evidence and common sense to support it.  There are too many common sense evidence to show the absurdity of the christian "faith".

MstPrfdcm 發表於 10-4-2009 12:26

You are welcome to share your opinions always.

What my point is on this particular post, we discuss the evidences of Jesus resurrection in God's salvational work; therefore, everything we mentioned in this topic should be implied to relate God.

If you have different opinions, or topics not relating to God, it is much better to have a new post, assuming no gods as a basis.

一看標題我還以為又有什麼新發現了呢，原來還是老一套。這也能稱作直接證據？別搞笑了。
溫和寶 發表於 10-4-2009 13:00

Laughable at what?

What my point is on this particular post, we discuss the evidences of Jesus resurrection in God's salvational work; therefore, everything we mentioned in this topic should be implied to relate God.

If you have different opinions, or topics not relating to God, it is much better to have a new post, assuming no gods as a basis.追求永生 發表於 2009-4-11 02:12

why? Exactly because you are presenting the "DIRECT evidence" of Jesus resurrection! That guaranteed everyone who cares about the "evidence" to actively involve.

這叫直接證據？
原來永生也喜歡玩標題黨。

這叫直接證據？
原來永生也喜歡玩標題黨。
qionghua 發表於 2009-4-11 02:39

歡迎瓊花。
周末愉快！

That's fine.

My point is that all evidence here relates to the God, the Savior, Jesus Christ. You joined the discussion in the assumption that there is no God.

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So, we can't participate? 就像路邊有人擺攤接受向織女星旅行的訂票服務。我們知道目前沒有任何飛船可以在人生的有限時間飛去飛回，我們不可以在旁邊說，根本不存在這種旅行的可能性？我們並不打算攪黃這個旅行社的生意，僅僅是給有意參加這個旅行或者感興趣的人一個另外的參考意見而已。

我們知道目前..
龍蟋蟀 發表於 10-4-2009 16:31

That is different.

The critical problem is that what I talked is based on historical facts disclosed in Bible and it seems that you do not know.

In that case, how are you able to provide advice opposing the biblical teaching?

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those are only biblical facts, please be specific. 織女星旅行完全可以基於七仙女的神話故事。