神的「旨意」、「規勸」、和「性情」

信，與不信。
八福 發表於 2-4-2009 17:28

好！這是人的行動層面。信者就得救了，因此信和得救是直接的正比的關係。

進一步思考：為什麼我們信了，不信的沒信？

如果信是得救的原因，是和不得救者的唯一區別，而弟兄又說信是人自己的選擇，這不還是人自己救自己嗎？

問題的要害不是信使人得救，而是我選擇了信我救了自己。

好！這是人的行動層面。信者就得救了，因此信和得救是直接的正比的關係。

進一步思考：為什麼我們信了，不信的沒信？

如果信是得救的原因，是和不得救者的唯一區別，而弟兄又說信是人自己的選擇，這不還是 ...
追求永生 發表於 2009-4-3 10:32

總有人或神想害大家,害的大家不得不去教會,不得不讚美耶穌,不得不救自己?
信基督教真累死人,自討苦吃. 也是被基督徒們惚悠的真以為他們的神會迫害人類
似的.

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我認為是這樣：

神不設拯救，人無論如何也救不了自己。

神設拯救，人能被救，但拒絕者得不著。

接受拯救和自救應該不一樣。

如果人完全被動，那就沒有責任；神完全包辦，整個救恩過程就沒任何意義。

21# 追求永生

接受拯救和自救應該不一樣。

如果人完全被動，那就沒有責任；神完全包辦，整個救恩過程就沒任何意義。
sousuo 發表於 3-4-2009 08:58

Salvation is grace; that means God grants those saved  additional blessings.

For the one not saved,  he deserved for the punishment for whatever he had already committed.

There is nothing unfair and to save not all of sinners, but some of them based only on the will of God is God's salvational plan.

This cannot be easily understood,  more difficult to accept; however, it is biblical teaching and verified by the history and through our eyes.

總有人或神想害大家,害的大家不得不去教會,不得不讚美耶穌,不得不救自己?
信基督教真累死人,自討苦吃. 也是被基督徒們惚悠的真以為他們的神會迫害人類
似的.
hellman 發表於 3-4-2009 08:52

Death is over. If someone does not fear death, he has nothing fearful.

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你誤解了我的意思。

我從沒認為，神要不救誰就不公平，而是根據聖經，神希望每個人都得救。

得救這件事，如果連接受都是神替我們坐的，你認為整個過程有意義嗎？

有意義.  More thankful for God's grace and serving God full heartly because I is no longer I but His servant for He paid full price for redeeming us.

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如果連接受都是神替我們坐的sousuo 發表於 3-4-2009 10:11

Not God does "acceptance" for us, but the acceptance is done after God saved us.

Our acceptance is consequence of God's saving, not the key processing step in the salvation. Our acceptance is a pleasing will of ourselves, that is the indicator we have already been saved.

The reason we some  times overemphasize our acceptance is that this is our first action responding to God's salvation work. However, at this moment, God has already finished His work saving us.

To understand salvation, again, is to understand God and His work. Salvation is fully His work and from divine will of God.

Sometime I repeat those bases, not meant  bother having misunderstanging, but serving as a reminder, especially for myself.