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hellman 發表於 2008-4-29 03:37 | 只看該作者

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順服是不好的,如果神說石頭砸不信的,有什麼好處?對社會對個人都沒好處.
好在現代人都問"為什麼",這才費除了石刑.許許多多例子證明順服"神"並不好.神說
治死罵父母的孩子,打死同性戀,敢打嗎?都是不順服才背叛神,有了和平的世界.

順服真理沒錯.關鍵要問基督教神和世界是真理嗎?打死罵父母的孩子就不是真理.中
東人允許認為是真理,因為他們現在還這樣干.有中東父母打死不信神的女兒(穆斯林
),都是中東文化.
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paullian 發表於 2008-4-29 05:31 | 只看該作者
原帖由 hellman 於 2008-4-29 03:37 AM 發表
順服是不好的,如果神說石頭砸不信的,有什麼好處?對社會對個人都沒好處.
好在現代人都問"為什麼",這才費除了石刑.許許多多例子證明順服"神"並不好.神說
治死罵父母的孩子,打死同性戀,敢打 ...

神教人要順服 ,就好像牧羊人教羊群要順服一樣..順服的定義在於,當牧羊人餓了,可以宰羊吃,而羊不會因此反抗.
教會教人要順服,則是因為教會要配合侵略者入侵別人的土地,,搶了人家的土地,財寶,霸佔了人家的妻女后.告訴你,你要順服,這都是上帝賜予的..以後,這個土地就是屬於偉大的美利堅了.而那些順服的印第安人呢,就順服到了一塊保留地上去了.
一天一蘋果~~~~~~~
上帝遠離我~~~~~~~~
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鄉下人進城 發表於 2008-4-29 06:40 | 只看該作者

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基督徒們尤其應該牢記第8和第9節,別鬧得連伊斯蘭信徒都不如。
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sumw 發表於 2008-4-29 07:00 | 只看該作者
原帖由 paullian 於 2008-4-29 05:31 發表

都是上帝賜予的..以後,這個土地就是屬於偉大的美利堅了.而那些順服的  印第安人    呢,就  順服  到了一塊保留地上去了. ...


順服  順服  最後的下場  亊實確如是  
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同往錫安 發表於 2008-4-29 07:35 | 只看該作者

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神與以列制定的民事律是專門治理以色列民的。誡命的頒布是顯明神的心意,也是為了照出我們的罪。舊約所有律法都被主耶穌基督成全了。現在基督徒要遵行的是十誡。
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同往錫安 發表於 2008-4-29 07:37 | 只看該作者

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謬解!謬解!基督徒的行為準則,請參看十試。出埃及記二十章很清楚。請你們就不要再任意亂說一器了!

反基不是這樣反法。當然,你可以繼續大戰你的風車。
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hellman 發表於 2008-4-29 07:47 | 只看該作者

這個10戒更可怕,

「Obey Thy Ten Commandments, Or Else」:



    There are many Christians and Jews who demand that the Ten Commandments should be displayed in public institutions.  In my opinion it is only fair that if the commandments are to be displayed, so should the penalties for breaking those commandments.  Matter of fact they should be posted in its entirety so that society can see just what kind of crap these religions are feeding us.  I also encourage those of you Judeo/Christians who visit here to print out this very list and post it where your children can see it.  It』s time you explain to them what a murderous, unjust god you brainwash them into worshiping.

1st. Commandment, Exodus 20:3 「Thou shalt have no other gods before me」.  Old Testament punishment - Deuteronomy 17:1-5 「And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heavens, which I have not commanded.  Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing and shalt stone them with stones, till they die」.  Deuteronomy 13:6-10, 「If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is of thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.  Thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the Lord thy God."  Exodus 22:20 「He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed」.  New Testament punishment - Mark 16:16 「He that believeth not, shall be damned」.

2nd. Commandment, Exodus 20:4 「Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water below.」  Old Testament punishment- Deuteronomy 27: 1 5 「Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image.」  That』s right kids don』t EVER draw, sculpt or paint or else god will curse you.  Wanna be an artist, a photographer, take a picture of yourself or family?  TOO BAD, God says no!  You better drop out of art class before he smites you with boils.

3rd. Commandment, Exodus 20:7 「Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord in vain」.  Old Testament punishment - Leviticus 24:16 「And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death」, New Testament punishment - Matthew 12:32 「Whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come」.  Mark 3:29 - 「He that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgivness, but is in danger of eternal damnation」.

4th. Commandment, Exodus 20:8 「Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy」.  Old Testament punishment - Exodus 31:15 「Whosoever shall work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death」.  Numbers 15:32.  「And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the Sabbath day…And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses.」

5th. Commandment, Exodus 20:12 「Honour thy father and thy mother」.  Old Testament punishment - Exodus 21:15-17 「And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death」. More punishment - Exodus 21:17 「And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death」.

6th. Commandment, Exodus 20:13 「Thou shalt not kill」.  Strangely enough this is a commandment despite all the punishments that require death in the New Testament and the Old Testament.  How can thou not kill when thou is commanded to kill at the same time?  This hypocrisy should be pointed out if the ten commandments are posted in schools, court rooms and buildings of legislation.  The confusion of this commandment would surely bring capitol punishment into question.

7th. Commandment, Exodus 20:14 「Thou shalt not commit adultery」.  Old Testament punishment - Leviticus 20:10 「And the man that committeth adultery with another man』s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death」.

    I am working on compiling the list of punishments for commandments 8, 9, and 10.  They should be up by then. In the mean while I have several other random commands by god that are quite interesting which I have listed here.  The following command is very relevant for it requires a mandatory belief in the biblical god. Following the Ten Commandments, which are also listed in Deuteronomy 5:7-21, there are a number of curses which shall come upon thee, and overtake thee.  These curses are given in Deuteronomy 28:17-68. Space does not permit all of them to be quoted, but a few are that the Lord will smite thee with consumption, fever, hemorrhoids, scab, madness, blindness, boils, and many more even worse.

    For those of you Christians who disregard the Old Testament (even though Christ said it was forever binding), I have gathered together a great law from the New Testament. Romans 1 :29-32 「Those filled with unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, hate for god, despite, proud, boasters, inventions of evil things, disobedience to parents, without understanding, covenant breakers, unnatural affection, implacable or unmerciful nature: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death」.

    Now I have had the displeasure of meeting many a Christian and I have one to meet as of yet, whom according to this list, are NOT worthy of death.  How many of us feel envy, wish to fornicate, boast or gossip?  How many Christians are guilty of debating?  Why every day some Christian is debating the word of god or his dogmas with me.  Every day I am the victim of deceit and despite at the hands of some Christian verbally harassing me for my beliefs.  No wonder why god said that there shall only be 144,000 in the heaven out of all his followers.

In Conclusion:

    Christians and Jews should post the commandments up in their parochial schools and in their churches/temples.  But, if they insist on doing so they should print out this very page and hang it up for all to see.  Don』t be a half-ass religionist; educate your children on what God truly commands.  Stop thriving on telling half truths about your Bible/Pentateuch and publish the WHOLE story.  Most importantly, do not think you have the right to post them in public institutions.  It is MY job to educate MY child. Children need to learn the true meaning of love, compassion, morality, forgiveness and mercy.  Not the filthy dogmas your Jehovah commands.  Quite frankly, in comparison to hell-fire and damnation I』ll stick with Big Bird.

http://www.evilbible.com/ten_commandments.htm
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同往錫安 發表於 2008-4-29 07:56 | 只看該作者
To God in faith. To others in love.
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 樓主| 待宰的羔羊 發表於 2008-4-29 09:11 | 只看該作者
原帖由 Servant 於 2008-4-28 23:03 發表


所謂「洗洗」,就是我上面所說的,承認自己的罪,願意悔改,相信耶穌基督為我的罪而死,相信他三日後復活。。。

而上面所說的,「回到小孩子」,是能夠做到上面這些的必要條件。。。(回到小孩子,是指,順服神,順服神的教導,是相信「因信稱義」的潛在的先決條件)


難道他的門徒都沒有順服神嗎?他們已經是基督的門徒了啊. 就象你今天去給基督徒說, 你們要相信上帝是萬能的神啊. 那不是廢話嗎? 不相信神作基督徒幹嘛??
vicar, we didn't know what sin was until you came to the parish
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 樓主| 待宰的羔羊 發表於 2008-4-29 09:17 | 只看該作者
原帖由 同往錫安 於 2008-4-29 02:02 發表
這裡不是說真要砍手,那可完了,我會沒有手打字的。解經要看文體,這裡是形象的比喻,說明我們要恨惡罪,要警醒,隨時做屬靈的爭戰。

進天國的充要條件說了很多次了,是「因信稱義」。完全是神的恩典。靠人的行為,沒有人能夠進得了天堂。洗禮是一個儀式,代表與主一同死,一同復活,歸屬基督


我也不是說要真砍, 我的意思是說,不是洗洗就行了. 基督老大的話已經放在這裡了, 你們犯的惡或者是誘使你犯惡的東西沒有去掉,你們就要在永火里了.....
因信稱義不過是給了一張門票,是free的. 但是你還要有相應的資格才行. 我覺得耶穌是這麼講的.
耶穌還說上帝免了你們這麼大的罪, 你們卻不願意免去別人對你們的債.  這種行為也是進不了天堂的....
vicar, we didn't know what sin was until you came to the parish
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同往錫安 發表於 2008-4-29 12:16 | 只看該作者

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你有一部分說得沒錯,真實的信心,不僅是口裡信,行動上要對付自己的罪,要付出代價,不要從自己的心意,只從神的心意。主說愛他的,必遵行天父的旨意。

聖靈的果子,都是信之後結出來的。

我們得救,完全是神的恩典,與我們的行為無關。
好行為不是得救的條件,是得救的結果。神救我們,是為要我們行善,不是要我們又回到罪中,將洗乾淨的豬丟回到豬圈裡,不是神救我們的目的,神最終是要我們聖潔,彰顯他的榮耀。
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月華 發表於 2008-4-30 01:19 | 只看該作者
洗滌靈魂,乾淨了就能上天堂,就像純真的孩子一樣!
通俗的解釋是不是就這麼簡單
http://hexun.com/liqinguan/default.html
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Servant 發表於 2008-4-30 01:52 | 只看該作者

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是啊,就象小孩子那樣,單純,就能夠得到那上好的福分。。。
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