關於對反華勢力進行堅決鬥爭的緊急呼籲！

你們在西方國家連吃代住，巨額的留學費用-全都贊助了法國人，最好的反擊方式是所有的中國留學生集體回國。來吧，不回國的就是漢奸!王八蛋!!!!

不回國的就是漢奸!王八蛋!!!!

不回國的就是漢奸!王八蛋!!!!

不回國的就是漢奸!王八蛋!!!!

過街老鼠又出來了，找揍

原帖由 反動勢力 於 2008-4-18 05:49 發表
你們在西方國家連吃代住，巨額的留學費用-全都贊助了法國人，最好的反擊方式是所有的中國留學生集體回國。來吧，不回國的就是漢奸!王八蛋!!!!

不回國的就是漢奸!王八蛋!!!!

不回國的就是漢奸!王八蛋!!!!
...

人家回不回來關你屁事。愛國不分海內外。
再說了，人家扛起中國大旗在法國吶喊，你敢嗎？

原帖由 SecondEdition 於 2008-4-18 06:07 發表

人家回不回來關你屁事。愛國不分海內外。
再說了，人家扛起中國大旗在法國吶喊，你敢嗎？

do you think who this guys is? must be one of those new ids ...

1。

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/JD15Ad02.html

Italian lesson for the Dalai Lama


By Francesco Sisci

BEIJING - Perhaps the Dalai Lama, king-god of Tibet, head of Lamaist Buddhism and icon of the present anti-Chinese protests, could have something to learn from Italy. Italy is the only country to have faced a problem similar to that of China with the Dalai Lama: of the occupation of a territory previously governed by a religious monarch. In the case of Italy, it was the pope, in the case of China, it is the Dalai Lama.

Between the two experiences there are very many differences. Italy and the Vatican shared the same capital, Rome. China, on the other hand, has Beijing as its capital, and Tibet stops at


Lhasa. Italy has a major Catholic population, faithful, therefore, in spirit to the pope. In China, only a small minority is Lamaist Buddhist.

With that said, there is no experience in the world as similar as that of Italy and China, of dialectic and unity between state and church.

Here, there is a crucial problem for the Dalai Lama, whether as a religious or political leader. The Chinese government does not object to the Dalai Lama as a religious leader, but it opposes with force the political role of the Dalai Lama, icon of a possible future independent Tibet.

It is true that the Dalai Lama no longer asks for the independence of Tibet, but neither has he absolutely renounced independence for the mountainous territory. The renunciation of independence is presented like a temporary solution and other future political settlements have not been renounced in conclusive terms. To accept this limited renunciation, for China it means to admit the future possibility of the independence of Tibet, a politically destabilizing admission for Beijing.

Furthermore, in particular, the Tibetan government in exile in India, constituted of Tibetans who fled from Tibet at the time of the 1959 anti-Chinese uprising, it fights for the return of an independent Tibet. Besides, for "Tibet", the exiles do not think of the present Tibet Autonomous Region, but of the historical Tibet, a region approximately a quarter of Chinese territory that comprises all of the province of Qinghai, parts of Sichuan and of Gansu and Xinjiang.

The Tibetans in exile emphasize that the Chinese occupation of Tibet was an invasion. Perhaps, in that it was no different from the Italian occupation of Rome, taken by the cannon shells of Porta Pia in 1870. Neither one looks much different from the cavalry charges of the American army against the Indians in the same period.

The "invasion" of Tibet occurred 80 years after Rome was taken by the Italian state, and approximately 60 years after the defeat of the last Indian rebels in the United States. Fifty-seven years have now passed since Chinese troops marched into Lhasa.

To touch on history once again after such a long period is complicated, delicate and dangerous for all. Moreover, political geography, like physics, does not tolerate a vacuum or weak links. An independent Tibet not stable under the Chinese orbit will have to fall under another orbit, and in the area there is only India and Pakistan.

Any withdrawal of China from Tibet would be a concession of this fact to these two powerful neighbors, something that at the very least would destabilize the balance of the region and of the world, raising the specter of a war in which millions could lose their lives. This, without counting the loss of Chinese territory, to which the majority of the Chinese would not be at all favorable.

Therefore, we would like to argue that there are at least three powerful arguments for which the issue of Tibet's independence should be completely shelved: too much time has passed; the Chinese will not now, nor ever, renounce a quarter of their territory; and such a renunciation would destabilize the region and the world.

In other words, the political backdrop to the Dalai Lama looks similar to that when the pope had to renounce his temporal powers with the Lateranensi Pacts in 1929, 59 years after the takeover of Porta Pia.

There remains the problem of a homeland for Tibetans exiles, a noble issue, one of principle but perhaps hard to resolve.

In the past, the northern states of the US waged war against the Confederates of the South when they proclaimed secession from the Union. Today, it is still taboo to think of a single homeland for Kurds, a population straggling Turkey, Iraq, Iran and Syria.

The recent history of Yugoslavia after the end of the Cold War proves the difficulty in creating national states where there was a transnational union. An independent homeland for Tibetans could create problems a thousand times greater than those of the ????er Yugoslavia.

Perhaps, then, we should stop talking about the invasion of Tibet, of the past destruction of its temples, of staging beauty pageants with the name "Miss Tibet" without "China", as happened a few months ago in Malaysia. This is history that cannot be rewritten.

There are thousands of real problems to face: safeguarding Tibetan culture, and the spread of its faith. These are all sacrosanct, but surely not at the cost of Tibet's isolation from the world. The rail link between Lhasa and Beijing is the fruit of modernity, the development of transport and communications, and not simply the brutality of the Chinese wanting to invade the region.

Sure, the Chinese should not use religion, such as the control of and the selection of the Lamas, to assert their political agenda in Tibet. But at the same time, one should not have pro-independence Tibetans using the religious prestige of the Lamas to assert their political agenda for Tibet.

As an inspiration, there is the renunciation in principle of the Vatican to the political control of Rome that has created the conditions for rapprochement with the Italian state.

If we could suggest something to the Dalai Lama, it would be to look at the Italian experience, knowing also that there are enormous differences: the Chinese are not Lamaists, and Lhasa is not the capital of China. These two elements, ultimately, will weaken the possibility of negotiation between the Dalai Lama and Beijing.

The margins for negotiations with Beijing today are tighter. There is mutual distrust and there is the conviction in Beijing of their ability to control the situation. When the Dalai Lama dies, Beijing will choose another who will be under its control. In response, the Dalai Lama could also reincarnate in America and have a successor elected among the Lamas abroad. But such a solution will only sanction the creation a Lamaist church outside Tibet, which, like the Catholic one of Avignon, in the Middle Ages, will be condemned to the political non-influence in China and Tibet, for the single reason of being far away and out of touch.

Paradoxically, the single way for the Dalai Lama to make a mark would be for him to try to re-enter China, at any price. This could re-establish unity between Lamaists in and out of Tibet. This would force Beijing into dialogue with the Lamaists, something that today can simply be disregarded.

Francesco Sisci, Asia Editor of La Stampa.

(Copyright 2008 Francesco Sisci.)

2。instructions:
1. send to your friend via e-mail with this instuction
2.post on bbs all over the world.
3.edit letter to make it yours if your want.
4.declare your own personal war against dalai lama if you like to do so.
5.send to reporters and your local politician.
6.e-mail subject could be:war on dalai lama, the other side story of dalai lama and tibet. tibet issues......

To my fellow Chinese, American and European friends:

Those of you who follow the news may notice that there is lots of coverage about protests and demonstrations during the Olympic torch relay, about calls for a boycott of the Olympic game in China this summer, about the Dalai Lama and his claim of culture genocide in Tibet

What I want to tell you are: most of mainstream media』s reports about China are lies, are mixtures of pure fabrication, exaggeration and distortion of the truth, especially on issues of human rights and Tibet. The China portrayed by the media is not the China that I know of. As a Chinese living in America for twenty years, I am used to these kinds of lies about china, they often under the name of helping Chinese people and human rights. Every time I saw those lies on TV and newspaper, I felt hurt and angry. But I kept my silence, hoping all these will pass soon. It did not, and getting worse. This time, it』s too much for me to take. When I saw on youtube that an innocent passers-by was brutally beaten (might be to death) by the mob in Lhasa riots, the young Chinese girl in a wheelchair holding the Olympic torch were attacked by the protesters in Paris, the pictures of burning and looting in Lhasa, CNN commentator Jack Cafferty』s saying that 「Chinese are basically the same bunch goons and thugs they have been in the past fifty years」, my heart told me that I have to do something. Because I see hatred in those violent protesters in France and Germany, in mobs in Lhasa and in Mr. Jack Cafferty. And who is responsible for all these hate crimes and violence? My answer is Dalai Lama, the mainstream media and the interest groups behind them. They orchestrated all these. But the one whom I blame the most is ME. It is ME who knows the truth all along but kept silent and let the lies to be spread freely to provoke hate without saying any thing, which makes me a complicit.

My friends, please read my questions for the Dalai Lama that I have attached to this letter, and the references I have listed after it. I believe that you will have the same questions as me, and many more. The letter and references tell of the true Dalai Lama, the history of Tibet, the huge progress made in Tibet, the truth of so called 「Massacre」 and 「culture genocide」 in Tibet, and the roots of many problems it have.
The true Dalai Lama—His Holiness—isn』t the person you have been led to believe by the mainstream media, neither the old Tibet.

My friends, this is not about the Olympic torch anymore. This is about Dr. Martin Luther King』s torch. I heard Dr. King』s name when I was in grade school back in China. I have admired him ever since. He is not only a great hero for Americans, but a great inspiration for people all over the world, including ME who treasure peace, freedom, equality, and human rights. Should we allow Dalai Lama, this demagogue who represents feudal theorocracy, an inciter of hates and violence, a religious persecutor, a political and ideological chameleon-—to be the successor to Dr. King』s torch, to be the voice and symbol for human rights, for peace, for compassion, and for justice? I consider this an insult to Dr. King, his cause, and ME.

My friends, this is also about PEACE. Should we continue to allow the mainstream media to freely spread lies and provoke hatred? We all know from history what this will eventually lead to: violence, bloodshed, and war. We all remember not long ago, when the Iraq War had just started, polls showed that 70% Americans supported the war. Now we know that they were tricked into believing that the war was necessary and justified. We should learn from history and not let this ever happen again.


My friends, YOU and ME, are empowered individuals. Truth is on our side. We have the internet. We can prevent the violence and bloodshed from happening again in Tibet and elsewhere in the world by stopping the lies and let the truth be heard. When everybody does his or her share, the Earth will be a better place to live. We can do it! Let』s do it.






QUESTIONS FOR DALAI LAMA
Dalai Lama, you and your government have been accusing Chinese massacred 1 million Tibetans in 1959 for at least twenty years (I heard this when I was in China twenty year ago from an American after he visited Lhasa. He told me that he learnt this from a monk, many Tibetan knew about this, and they hate ethnic Han Chinese for this. How could they not!!! I was shocked to learn that the source of this lie is from you, His Holiness after I came to America.). Could you name even One Western Tibetan scholar who backs you on this? Is it true that in 1953 while Tibet still under your rule, the census shows that the population in Tibet only about 1.2million? How a few thousands troop could kill so many people without leaving any mass grave or other evidence? Where are today』s 2.4 million plus ethnic Tibetan in Tibet alone coming from after just a short 40+ years, while whole Chinese population barely doubled during this period? What is your purpose to make such claim and have your people spread it in Tibet for more than twenty years?

Dalai Lama, could you give any credible evidence that culture genocide is happening in Tibet? How come many western scholars claim that this is all nonsense? Why the schools in your exile community in India teach in English while you are accusing Chinese government culture genocide for teaching Chinese in the higher primary grades in Tibet?
What is your intention for making such false and outrageous claim?

Dalai Lama, when you made above false claims, use your means as head of exile government and influence of your position as Buddhism God-King over ordinary religious Tibetans to make them believe these lies, what do you expect Tibetans will feel? HATES! Right? That what you wanted! And you are still telling us that you have nothing to do with the riots and bloodshed, that you are for peace, compassion and freedom?

Dalai Lama, you told Chinese community recently that Tibetan and Han Chinese are one family. How could we believe you while you have kept telling those outrageous lies to Tibetans and the world, and make people hate us? How could we ever trust you and respect you again?

Dalai Lama, for the past twenty years, you have made people in the West, and even some Chinese to believe that old Tibet under your rule was a Shangri-La, a lost Paradise. How come many leading American Tibetan historians have judged that old Tibet under your rule was strikingly similar to medieval Europe, 「a retrograde repressive theocracy of extreme privilege and poverty」, torture and mutilation--including the gouging out of eyes, the pulling out of tongues, hamstringing, and amputation--were favored punishments? Now your lies are all over Wikipedia. Your people are rewriting history.

Dalai Lama, as a Nobel Peace laureate, why do you refuse to condemn the war in Iraq? What are the reasons you can think of to justified the killing of hundreds of thousands innocent Iraqi people?

Dalai Lama, in Buddhism，is lying a serious crime, and forbidden 「to kill」 not only means not to kill by oneself but also means not to allow or make other people to kill for oneself?

Dalai Lama, in 1996, why did you ban the veneration of Dorje Shugden (a.k.a Dholgyal), a respected deity worshiped by Tibetans for 300 years? Why were those in your community who did not pledge to stop their Dorje Shugden worship persecuted, with their names and addresses, and their children's names and schools, being publicly posted, their houses burned, their lives threatened and forced to flee, the monk who spoke up got stabbed? What happened since then? Would you allow international human rights organization to investigate this?
(The documentary filmed by Swiss public TV in 1998 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5sOm-uQH9Y&feature=related
An open letter to Dalai Lama http://www.cesnur.org/testi/fr99/gkg2.htm
http://www.himalmag.com/96sep/dorje.htm)

Dear Dalai Lama His Holiness, today, I declare a personal war against you, for the cause of PEACE. I』ll post my letter with these questions on the internet, send them as e-mail to all my friends, coworkers and media reporters, ask them to join me to fight your lies and to pass this information to their friends. I』ll also print them as flyers and pass around. Whenever you give a speech, or whenever I hear lies on media about Tibet, I』ll do this gain. If you ever come to my city, I』ll be there. This will be a PEOPLE』S WAR. Let』s see who wins.

Reference:

A debate based on academic researches on Tibetan issues(including human rights, 「culture genocide」, etc.) between an Australian teacher and director of a British pro-tibet lobby organization. (highly recommend. Both debaters are very knowledgeable, intelligent, well educated, did their homework well, and gave out the source for their claims. Very entertaining too.)
http://discussions.pbs.org/viewtopic.pbs?t=68073

Roles governments of US and European countries played in Tibetan riots and protests of Olympic game
http://www.german-foreign-policy.com/en/fulltext/56145

Roles Dalai Lama』s government played in the riots:
TIBET: TRUTH VS. MYTH By Barrry SAUTMAN, JD, LLM, PhD
http://fray.slate.com/discuss/fo ... x?ArticleID=2187567

An appeal to Dalai Lama from a Buddhist
http://www.rfanews.org/tibbs/viewtopic.php?t=792
Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth
http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html
(this essay listed academic source for it accusations).

原帖由 snortbsd 於 2008-4-17 14:30 發表
http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html#notes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xsoc4-QnplY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdMvBXYRzAw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTTp ...

小生知道先生英文好，可不可以為上面各鏈接內容寫一個"executive summary"之類的短文？

我個人一時難以逐一審閱和敘述。如果您能幫忙的話，就可以儘快發到網站上。

謝了！！

謝謝你的資料。我會儘快整理和上貼到網頁上。

可否註明作者？以便署名。

原帖由 涼泉居士 於 2008-4-17 14:33 發表


是不是跟你們意見不一樣就統統是漢奸啊？

我的立場是：我們要超越兩岸三地的政治歧見和紛爭，以團結一致的態度，以絕不妥協的堅決意志，面對敵人。在目前這個大是大非的情況下，誰持有不同意見，那就是道不同，不相與謀。就是站在了我們的對立面。

愛國，就是愛中國。這個中國不管是誰執政，都是我們的祖國。這個中國的定義，就是「九二共識」的中國。

如果連這個定義下的中國，都不愛的話，除了漢奸，我就真找不出一個詞來形容那些人了。。。

原帖由 胡雞亂想 於 2008-4-17 16:23 發表

我的立場是：我們要超越兩岸三地的政治歧見和紛爭，以團結一致的態度，以絕不妥協的堅決意志，面對敵人。在目前這個大是大非的情況下，誰持有不同意見，那就是道不同，不相與謀。就是站在了我們的對立面。
...

站在了你們的對立面，是因為不同意你們的觀點和做法，為什麼就是不愛國？
愛國從什麼時候開始歸你們定義了？
為什麼非要跟你們一個愛法？
中國從什麼時候開始都歸了你們啦？

你能理智的回答這些問題嗎？

閣下一出，牛鬼蛇神魑魅魍魎通通迴避。

非常感謝你的link， 我正在找此類的東西，謝謝！！

原帖由 胡雞亂想 於 2008-4-18 07:10 發表


小生知道先生英文好，可不可以為上面各鏈接內容寫一個"executive summary"之類的短文？

我個人一時難以逐一審閱和敘述。如果您能幫忙的話，就可以儘快發到網站上。

謝了！！

well, what you can do to compile a list of URLs and send it out. executive summary would not do any good. give people the list of URLs, let them do their own researches and make their own minds.

emotion, angry words would not help us to settle anything.

with chinese only, you would not go too far....

also take look at the link http://club.backchina.com/main/v ... &extra=page%3D1

learn to use facts and data to speak for you. it is much more effective than yelling ...

[ 本帖最後由 snortbsd 於 2008-4-18 08:37 編輯 ]

I am going on a trip. When I come back, I might be able to contribute my part.

Keep working on it, guys. I like this idea of organizing systematically against the unfair and distorted media propaganda against China. It is a game I enjoy playing.
Let's take the challenge and play this game for fun

A word with that "jushi", what is your purpose of trying to stop overseas Chinese voicing their opinions against the western propaganda?  What are you afraid of?
If you don't like the idea, just shut up, thanks.

原帖由 愛國有罪嗎？ 於 2008-4-17 17:30 發表
A word with that "jushi", what is your purpose of trying to stop overseas Chinese voicing their opinions against the western propaganda?  What are you afraid of?
If you don't like the idea, just shut up, thanks.
...

用不著拉大旗作虎皮，這麼虛張聲勢的。海外華人現在也被你們代言啦？都閉嘴，還有言論自由嗎？幸好你們什麼都不是，中國的政權要是讓先生之流掌握了，恐怕比共產黨要黑暗得多。

原帖由 涼泉居士 於 2008-4-18 07:34 發表


站在了你們的對立面，是因為不同意你們的觀點和做法，為什麼就是不愛國？
愛國從什麼時候開始歸你們定義了？
為什麼非要跟你們一個愛法？
中國從什麼時候開始都歸了你們啦？

你能理智的回答這些問題嗎？

請問居士，我上面所有說的話，哪一句不理智了？

我的觀點清清楚楚，愛國就是愛中國，就是這麼簡單。既然愛國，那麼在目前國家受到西方列強空前進攻之下，而有所作為，以英文網站的方式，闡明我們的立場和展示我們的意志，有什麼不對？

既然你不同意，那請你在這裡，清清楚楚告訴大家，你觀點和做法又是什麼？你的愛國又是什麼定義？你的愛法又怎麼表達？

如果你不能回答這些問題，那麼請閉嘴，因為，你沒有指責人家的任何權力。

中國屬於所有愛中國的中國人，我們愛中國，中國當然屬於我們。這在邏輯上有什麼問題？難道中國就屬於那些因私利而失大義的人？

原帖由 DaHL 於 2008-4-17 23:01 發表
我們現在這樣是不是有點被動啊, 照我的看法還不如送點破槍到阿富汗讓他們多殺些英法士兵, 這樣這些謀體就有正事幹了. 沒空管閑事了.

我的設想，這個媒體的宣傳，是一個長期的工作。要把我們的聲音，深入西方民眾當中(起碼一部分吧)不是一件容易的事。

這一次西藏和奧運的事，是一場實實在在的信息戰爭，其目的就是要打垮中國政府的聲譽，打擊我們國家的意志。在許多西方民眾的心目中，他們的這個目的達到了。而我們是徹底的失敗了。

但是，這場無硝煙的戰爭，卻使中華民族空前的團結，我們的內在鬥爭意志空前的高漲。這是西方列強的統治集團事先沒有預料到的。所以，從另外一個角度看，我們也沒有完全失敗。

因此，我們要從中吸取教訓。我們應當探索一個路子，去向西方普通民眾溝通，讓他們明白事實的真相。那麼，以後西方統治集團想再打一場信息戰爭，就沒有那麼容易了。

[ 本帖最後由 胡雞亂想 於 2008-4-18 11:23 編輯 ]

恩，這位居士很害怕，所以才要千般的阻撓。真是可憐啊。

原帖由 涼泉居士 於 2008-4-17 19:52 發表


用不著拉大旗作虎皮，這麼虛張聲勢的。海外華人現在也被你們代言啦？都閉嘴，還有言論自由嗎？幸好你們什麼都不是，中國的政權要是讓先生之流掌握了，恐怕比共產黨要黑暗得多。

海外華人肯定不能被你代言.
.