給共同在海外拼搏的中國夫婦：論中國移民的婚姻問題

《相濡以沫》？

那是瓊瑤小說里的情節，專供少男少女們陶醉用的。如果運氣好，沒有碰到長期「冷戰」的話，已經是謝天謝地的了，赫赫。。。

james2000,

seriously, have you seriously read bible at all?  be honest with you, I just started to read and I had tried for long, and I really regreted that I got seriouly with bible too late.

haha,chickenrun8,very serious. just be nature,keep busy, be happy and enjoy your life actually you are quiet success in my feeling.

chickenrun8:《james2000, seriously, have you seriously read bible at all?》

To be honest, I am too serious on reading bible, so I had a lot of trouble.

我經常詢問牧師們有關聖經的疑問，結果都引起了牧師們的憤怒。 有的指責我在challenge牧師，有的則指桑罵槐的說我被魔鬼利用。事實上，他們只是無法回答我的問題而覺得沒有面子而已。有些是很簡單的問題，居然讀了四五年神學院，又當了十幾年的牧師，居然張口結舌！這就是我所說得：No body believe in Bible! not even pastors......

我還用common sense來批判他們的「歪理」，他們居然被我說得一愣一愣的，可悲啊！

james2000 02/04/06,

ABout牧師們, pittyfully, they are human beings, and lot of them, it is a job but not a believe...

therefore, in the church I go to, we do not have priest,  church is only a place for people who gethering together to worship god( there are a lot of them who is not a true believer, but they may do one day, it does not matter.

back to the topic, priest is only human who might just a little bit  ahead of you.

to read and understand bible, it has to to with lord who should be communicate wiht your soul and pray and he response to you and give you the wisdom to read through and understand.

so never mind the priests,  as you know, some of them is making living out of there, so there is bottom line and efficiency in place... so bread and blieve, most of them just want bread and cannot go further, so they stressed up .... before...

空手 02/04/06, 07:31
haha,chickenrun8,very serious. just be nature,keep busy, be happy and enjoy your life actually you are quiet success in my feeling.

thanks! I think I am not too bad, and at least I did not waste my time. but we still have problems like kid education, and how much income we need....  and we still do not have peace... that is what I want...

《牧師們, pittyfully, they are human beings, and lot of them, it is a job but not a believe...》

說得很對！但問題就在這裡，由於it is a job not a believe，所以教會裡鉤心鬥角、拉幫結派、爾虞我詐、造謠中傷等等、等等，層出不窮，哪裡還像個教會?！

在這個網站上，曾經有過一位基督徒發過幾個帖子，由於我當時用詞激烈，他再也沒有露面，我至今覺得有點慚愧。但我又不能不將我的觀點擺出來，一擺出來就很容易得罪人。

《so never mind the priests,......》那位基督徒也曾經這樣講過，不要去看教會裡的牧師或教友，要仰望神。我當時立即反駁－－《鍾共官員對百姓說：你們不要將眼睛盯著我們鍾共的貪官污吏，你們要仰望馬克思，仰望共產主義的理論。》赫赫。。。

我並非求全責備，要求別人完美無缺。人不可能是完美無缺的，我自己也一樣。但有一個原則：不應該有鉤心鬥角、拉幫結派、爾虞我詐、造謠中傷等等現象發生，否則這個信仰還有什麼實際意義呢？

chickenrun8, agree with you. the life is hard for everyone even everyone wants to take easy, but unfortunately, we are locked by our life, keep busy and keep spenting money on kids. the education for kids mainly is money and time, you got to spent both time and money.

and Jame2000, try don't not test God,...

我並非求全責備，要求別人完美無缺。人不可能是完美無缺的，我自己也一樣。但有一個原則：不應該有鉤心鬥角、拉幫結派、爾虞我詐、造謠中傷等等現象發生，否則這個信仰還有什麼實際意義呢？

very much understand, it is typical human being's sin (not crime), and these thing is not going to be fixed by human being themselves...

a lot of them think their are christian but not... it is going to be judged by god but not by their word...

church is organised by human and when human got into stuffs... there you go.

right or wrong is only judged via bible (god's word) and sometime people cannot even understand the real meanings... it  is so facinating..

James2000, please read more bible and do not pay attention to those said priest and those sins, these will handled by god...
you will get lot out of the book, even you were see it is kind of stuff even very vivid recorded in the bible about those things happend in the church you went  in.  so it is not new..

《it is going to be judged by god but not by their word...》

但牧師們可不這麼認為。

我十多年前在墨爾本的時候，一位華人牧師以教訓我的口吻問我：「你認為你死後能進天堂嗎？」我當時很坦率地回答道：「我不知道。」他糾正我說：「你只要信，就能進天堂！」我當時只是笑笑，沒跟他爭辯。如果只要信就能進天堂的話，那還要末日審判做什麼？從這個觀點所引伸出來的很多問題上，牧師們都在歪曲聖經和神的話。換句話說，他們在教會裡的講道不是在宣揚神的真理，而是在歪曲、褻瀆神的話語。我經常將他們的歪理駁得體無完膚。為此他們對我恨之入骨，於是，接踵而來的是對我的人身攻擊、誹謗、造謠、誣陷、還有什麼形容詞？我一時想不出來了，赫赫。。。

因為我都是用聖經中神的話語來駁斥他們。。。

haha,這不是活學活用了,...

其實西方社會裡的平民百姓對牧師的感受，並不是像我們中國人所想象的那麼好。英語俗話中就有這麼一句話來形容一個人的話：他這個人說的話跟牧師說的話一樣不可靠！

they talk and they do not solve your problem, if you have a problem.

but someone has been dreaming that they can solve one's problem......

true, sometimes, but they also give you peace, I mean peace in mind. it is important, look at those 'rich chinese' they live like rat in china...

what is the difference between priest and psychologist? he he...

priest and psych? they are the same thing.

anything becomes job, it turns into poison, so sad on human beings, they got to feed themselves in some way... so...  that is why I never vote Labor, only those rich enough will have have better view.

haha,i never vote Labor,... so, me to now.