神正在富士康動工，透過兩位牧師~ （ZT）

I run along the beach in the evening with my HTC Desire. With my new mobile phone, I am online 24 hours. Whenever I got new messages, emails, and chat messages, the phone rings with music. While mediating in the beach, I was attracted by the following article shared by a former sister from Hong Kong church. I can't help praying for workers in Foxconn and Guo as I have done before. I felt light and hope are coming through this tragedy. I hope God will open Guo's heart to let him see workers' true situation and suffering.


讓我們與中國的家人一起站立 - 為我們在天上的父要翻轉整個中國守望

來自中國的代禱邀請 - 請大家有負擔的，繼續為富士康及其領袖郭台銘禱告。願神紀念大家的擺上。

2010-05-28 （原來神要翻轉富士康，還有更多的公司）

在富士康的弟兄發的留言：

感謝主！基督在「富士康12連跳」事件中真是得了榮耀！郭台銘在5月26日晚上剛離開富士康龍華園區就發生了第12跳。5月27日上午他就乘專機飛了過來。他昨天過來帶來的不是記者，法師和心理諮詢專家，而是兩個牧師，其中一個是臺北神學院的院長。昨天下午在龍華園區這兩個牧師向公司的3000多名中高層主管傳講福音。我們有一位姊妹的丈夫是富士康一位很高層的主管（目前還沒有得救）在現場打電話給她，告訴他是如何的被感動，也通過電話讓她聽聽會場內如潮水般的「阿門」聲。在兩位牧師分享完之後，郭台銘也發表了感想。他說，在12跳發生之後，他一夜未睡，思索如何應對這樣的情況，但是他沒有想到任何的出路。他絕望了！（我想，這是他第一次在公司的集會中對員工說這樣的話）然而，今天聽了這兩位牧師的道之後，他找到了出路，他看到了希望！榮耀歸神！

請弟兄姊妹繼續為富士康禱告時父的名在那裏被高舉，基督的國在那裏，祂的旨意行在那裏如同行在天上。
富士康在大陸佈局如下：
1. 富士康科技集團 (深圳龍華) 工業園 　　
2. 富士康科技集團 (上海) 工業園 　　
3. 富士康科技集團 (煙臺) 工業園 　　
5. 富士康科技集團 (北京) 工業園 　　
6. 富士康科技集團 (天津) 工業園 　　
7. 富士康科技集團 (武漢) 工業園 　　
8. 富士康科技集團 (太原) 工業園 　　
9. 富士康科技集團 (晉城) 工業園 　　
10. 富士康科技集團 (崑山) 工業園 　　
11. 富士康科技集團 (廊坊) 工業園 　　
12. 富士康科技集團 (淮安) 工業園 　　
13. 富士康科技集團 (杭州) 工業園 　　
14. 富士康科技集團 (營口) 工業園 　　
15. 富士康科技集團 (秦皇島) 工業園
16. 富士康科技集團 (重慶) 工業園，等近二十座大型工業園。
一個廠區就是一個城市。願奮力活動的神借著這樣的事件能讓福音的火在中國大陸著起來。
現在不僅是富士康不平靜，本田在中國的工廠也出現了全面罷工停產的事情。
中國人的內心已是沒了安息。沒有福音在這個國家得著廣傳，中國將永無和諧！速興起傳福音，速搶救靈魂！

2010-05-30 中國深圳龍華 請繼續為富士康的福音關懷推動禱告
親愛的弟兄姊妹：平安！
感謝主，耶穌的聖名將可以在這裡大大的被高舉。福音的口也將為這廠裏更多需要的靈魂開啟。

謝謝你分享黃姊妹的走禱記實，其中有位參加他們走禱的姊妹也在電話中跟我分享這事，就在他們下午禱告後，神真的作奇妙的大事，就是下面那位弟兄提到的郭台銘跟管理階層召集開會之事。

根據我們在其中的教會弟兄也是高層弟兄在開會現場傳來的資訊，更正一下有關牧師的資訊：
郭台銘帶來的2位牧師是來自彰化基督教醫院的團隊，因為他要找臺灣在自殺防制治療中最好的團隊，就是由「彰基」組成的教牧關懷中心關懷師及治療師，因此他們就是領隊的牧者，其中一位是郭守仁院長，一位是黃以文教授也是精神科主任醫師，也同樣是台中旌旗教會的牧師身份，黃牧師要在場的員工表態是基督徒的舉手，這是神要鼓勵很多隱藏的基督徒幹部要起來為主作工，他邀請所有表態的基督徒為郭台銘禱告，據說郭台銘面對這樣的壓力已經無法好好入睡，這幾天都只睡2小時，他在被牧師及基督徒員工禱告時，很感動的哭了。這是神在他裡面的動工。黃牧師後來也對所有員工傳講身心靈的福音，很有技巧的將福音帶入所有員工中。

將來彰基醫療團隊會入駐廠區繼續幫忙員工在心靈上的輔導，因著郭台銘對這團隊的信任，可能會藉著需要更多關懷師的理由，我們教會的弟兄姊妹將有可能會透過黃牧師引進工廠作更多福音關懷的事工。
我們目前正在積極預備更多合適的福音單張，也鼓勵教會的年輕基層員工的弟兄姊妹們，起來輪流為富士康守望禱告，我們看見這事件使的更多基督徒願意委身起來守望，願我們不住的呼籲神在這城市及富士康在各地的廠區都能經歷神國榮要的降臨。
教會的年輕弟兄姊妹願意等廠區開放福音時機時，他們要去用敬拜讚美的詩歌傳遞愛的福音，也願意去員工宿舍發單張，這些是他們積極願意回應的態度，我在教會的年輕人的QQ群裏，也鼓勵他們隨時有好的意見或行動就在群裏分享。我也會將一些禱告詞或正面的好消息傳給他們，鼓勵他們關懷周圍的同事並經歷神在我們當中作大事。

請繼續為將來福音的開啟時，我們是需要更多同工的配搭及禱告的扶持，這裡的員工宿舍太多。
在我們得知郭台銘願意如此倚靠黃牧師的彰基團隊時，我們教會的姊妹會也在週五28日上午開了2部車繞整個工廠週邊及外面的所有員工宿舍區禱告2小時。
我們看到神先興起禱告的大軍預備神的復興臨到，願你們在主裏的禱告扶持可以讓我們一同看見神要作更大的事，榮耀歸給唯一的真神！

哈利路亞！

Grace in 深圳龍華
謝謝代禱

國度禱告網
www.kp24-watchmen.com

願兩位牧師只傳真正的福音。

兩位牧師遠遠不夠。。。

回復 2# 來往加國


    不如你去吧。。。

先讓孤兒寡婦吃飽穿暖,再讓窮困戶得到經濟幫助,然後郭台銘帶頭受洗,並做悔改的見證,大復興也.

回復 4# 拎不清

樓上少說了一條，應該是「先讓12個人跳樓，然後再。。。。。。再再再，大復興也。」 用12條鮮活的生命榮耀耶穌。神跡啊！！！

I run along the beach in the evening with my HTC Desire. With my new mobile phone, I am online 24 ho ...
redbud 發表於 2-6-2010 17:05

謝謝姊妹的轉貼和為福音傳播的代禱。

有兩件事情我個人覺得需要澄清一下。

第一，自殺是一個悲劇，是一個災難，直接說成是神的榮耀不妥。死亡是懲罰性質，是和罪連在一起的，而原文並沒有這樣的必要解釋和聯繫，只說這種悲劇是榮耀神，很容易造成誤解，而且實際上也造成了誤解。

第二。福音是要拯救人的靈魂，而不是拯救一個企業。而文中提到這個企業有希望了，這種說法是和福音的性質和目的不符的。

願神引導當事人傳揚和接受純正的福音，使失喪的靈魂得到拯救。

回復 2# 來往加國

God saves Israel through Moses.
I think here the two pastors serve as the sparkle to light up the fire.

回復 4# 拎不清
I agree with you.

回復 5# Guest from 69.136.248.x

There is no such thing as God use people's life to glory him. You misunderstood the article.

回復 6# 追求永生
There is no such thing as God purposefully made suicides and gain glory through this. However, in every disaster, people can turn to God and God's glory can be revealed through all the sufferings and tragedies.

There is no evidence showing that the two pastors are preaching wrong gospel.

The article didn't mention anything like saving the business at all but saying that Gospel will be spread in those businesses. The main message here is saving people's soul.

The reason I pasted the message here is requesting for prayer for Foxconn rather than for criticism. Because I love China and want the workers there to be saved. The article shed lights in my heart. I have being thinking the situation of those workers for several days and suddenly light came through this article. I was encouraged by the article.

回復 6# 追求永生
There is no such thing as God purposefully made suicides and gain glory through this. However, in every disaster, people can turn to God and God's glory can be revealed through all the sufferings and tragedies.

There is no evidence showing that the two pastors are preaching wrong gospel.

The article didn't mention anything like saving the business at all but saying that Gospel will be spread in those businesses. The main message here is saving people's soul.

The reason I pasted the message here is requesting for prayer for Foxconn rather than for criticism. Because I love China and want the workers there to be saved. The article shed lights in my heart. I have being thinking the situation of those workers for several days and suddenly light came through this article. I was encouraged by the article.

Even there is a hope for Foxconn, there is nothing wrong for that. If Gospel is preached in 三鹿，in many other chinese national industry and saved them, I didn't see any conflicting there! God loves Guo and the workers the same way. If through prayer, a worker's position and salary is guaranteed, we can say that he has a faith toward God. God shows his mercy and kindness toward this work. However, if Guo's business is saved, we can still say that he has a faith toward God. God shows his mercy and kindness toward Guo by saving his business.

There is no conflicting between these two. The sun shines the just and unjust.

「 基督在「富士康12連跳」事件中真是得了榮耀 」 ？
聽起來怪怪的。
感覺上 人跳樓了 基督才得著 榮耀...

回復 13# Guest from 194.80.219.x
I agree with you about the feeling for those words.
well, what you can say about those words!  People are not perfect. If you went to the country area, many Christians said even radical words than this. However, their hearts are good. It's just like we couldn't criticize our children's mistakes all the time when they just start learning.
You have to tolerate and accept their mistakes. I believe if the author is here, he will take your advice and change the word.

People learn through mistakes. When I started praying here, I was picked out by non-christians all the time for my harsh words. However, I grow through this kind of experience. I should thank them for their tolerance for me.

回復 14# Guest from 137.44.9.x

I agree with you that non-Christians should forgive Christians saying harsh words. In fact they have learned to develop tolerance towards those radical words and understand that it is natural part of their religion. Non-Christians still love Christians as human beings, no matter where they say we are going and where they say they are going.

In Foxconn's case, we all agree that the workers deserve better working condition, deserve not only pay raise but also spiritual care. But if you have a true loving heart you can see "save their soul" is also radical religious expression. There are 40-50 thousands of workers, don't you think of their own religion, their moral and life value? Does low education level and working in Foxconn necessarily mean their souls are unsaved? Does the author, or even you, turely has equal respect to them as human being?

樓上說的好。員工們需要更好更人性化的工作環境也需要精神和心靈關懷。我覺得現在政府已經非常開明，允許這麼大規模的在企業里向員工們公開傳教（好像記得中國法律是不允許的）。從我本心講只要工人們得到精神安慰得到情緒舒緩得到身心健康，無論什麼方法只要有效就是好的。據我所知開始於西方的生命教練(life coach)，在台灣和大陸的企業中也已經很受歡迎了。我２００５年回國的時候，沿海的一些企業已經開始對員工進行心理輔導和培訓了。生命教練的輔導員們都接受過嚴格的培訓經過考試拿到了執照的。而生命教練雖然應用了宗教的一些心靈安慰手段卻不局限於宗教，有心理學的內容有人生的智慧有實際情況的應對和案例等等也有組織行為學的知識。把富士康的員工自殺問題歸結到信仰問題甚至更歸結到員工們沒有信耶穌靈魂沒有得救，那麼不管說的怎麼委婉，立足點就不能被大眾接受了。這就是唯一真理的衝動。當然我不否認也許一些員工信教之後可以在心靈上的到安慰，大大地舒解工作壓力。

「 基督在「富士康12連跳」事件中真是得了榮耀 」 ？
聽起來怪怪的。
感覺上 人跳樓了 基督才得著 榮耀.. ...
Guest from 194.80.219.x 發表於 2010-6-3 20:08

乘人之危是很多宗教能得到發展的最佳良機。如果人不生病，沒人自殺，沒有困難，是不會想到去找宗教的，宗教就是利用了人間的災難來「榮耀」的。

如果神真想幫助那裡的人，就該祝福才對，哪有用跳樓來榮耀的？

回復  追求永生
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redbud 發表於 3-6-2010 05:43

"基督在「富士康12連跳」事件中真是得了榮耀！"

我指的是這句話。比較生硬，缺乏必要的連接。

一切都在神的掌管之下，要實現神的目的，為苦難中的人代禱，這個我和姊妹一樣。但是把這個神的目的自殺一類的事情聯繫起來，就不是簡單的事情。

Even there is a hope for Foxconn, there is nothing wrong for that. If Gospel is preached in 三鹿，in ...
redbud 發表於 3-6-2010 05:49

"在兩位牧師分享完之後，郭台銘也發表了感想。他說，在12跳發生之後，他一夜未睡，思索如何應對這樣的情況，但是他沒有想到任何的出路。他絕望了！（我想，這是他第一次在公司的集會中對員工說這樣的話）然而，今天聽了這兩位牧師的道之後，他找到了出路，他看到了希望！榮耀歸神！"

神除了福音的生命祝福以外，還有其他祝福，這個我和姊妹沒有矛盾。但是後者不是福音的祝福。我的提醒在於不要把世人的追求和永生的祝福混在一起。而那位主管提到的希望顯然是沒有這種區分。

如果這個貼子談的不是福音，不是福音的希望，那就是我多慮了。

回復 15# Guest from 72.230.112.x
When I say souls to be saved, I mean those who want to be saved. There is a choice all the time. If you think you need to be saved, then you are those mentioned. If you think there is no need for you to be saved, so, this does not applies to you. We pray for those who want to be saved and who want to have faith in their life.

When we pray for souls to be saved, we also mean praying for those top management team including Guo. I don't think there is any conflicting here. The truth is, if you are critical by nature, you criticize all the time.

There is no need to argue who is better than whom as long as you think you are happy where you are.