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青貝殼 發表於 2010-12-23 15:39 | 只看該作者 回帖獎勵 |倒序瀏覽 |閱讀模式
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美癱瘓婦女23年輪椅為伴 靠意念突然下地行走


  據外媒報道,美國一位46歲的女士在因車禍癱瘓23年後,近日開始能夠不需攙扶獨立行走,堪稱奇迹,她是在接受一次精神治療之後恢復行走能力的。

  這位名叫迪莉亞?諾克斯的女士在1987年聖誕節的一次車禍中,被一位醉酒駕車的司機撞傷,造成腰部以下癱瘓,雙腿失去知覺,從此與輪椅為伴,而她也早已放棄了獨立行走的希望。

  但在一次精神治療中,治療師先是為諾克斯女士進行祈禱,接著緩緩扶起她離開了輪椅,在兩人的輔助下,她開始挪動雙腿穿過人群,見證這奇迹一幕的人們無不為她鼓掌慶賀,甚至喜極而泣。她激動的描述自己的感受說,她就像剛剛從嬰兒車中走出來的孩子,眼前的一切都發生了變化,以前的龐然大物在眼中也變得小了起來,站在自家廚房裡、繞著自家房子走走的感覺真是棒極了。

  數十萬網友在youtube網站上分享了這感人的一幕。

誰說信耶穌不好?

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sousuo 發表於 2010-12-23 22:54 | 只看該作者
誰說信耶穌不好!
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Helenzhao1959 發表於 2010-12-24 02:56 | 只看該作者
God bless her.
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hellman 發表於 2010-12-24 04:15 | 只看該作者
sousuo 發表於 2010-12-23 22:54
誰說信耶穌不好!

信以為真?
那麼多基督徒耶穌都不救, 偏救這個? 耶穌真不夠意思. 有沒有牧師得癌死的? 牧師
最謙誠,應該都不得癌,這樣才能證明是耶穌的功勞.
聖經:代下15:13 凡不尋求耶和華以色列神的,無論大小,男女,必被治死.
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hellman 發表於 2010-12-24 04:19 | 只看該作者
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 樓主| 青貝殼 發表於 2010-12-24 04:48 | 只看該作者
hellman 發表於 2010-12-24 04:15
信以為真?
那麼多基督徒耶穌都不救, 偏救這個? 耶穌真不夠意思. 有沒有牧師得癌死的? 牧師
最謙誠,應該 ...

錯!牧師都不應該得癌的前提是,他們都很不錯!
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 樓主| 青貝殼 發表於 2010-12-24 04:53 | 只看該作者
hellman 發表於 2010-12-24 04:19
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ-7beRITYM

我在琢磨,如果那位講道的牧師對不懂英語的殘疾人進行Faith Heal,有沒有用?就是那種雞同鴨講的情形?
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拎不清 發表於 2010-12-24 04:56 | 只看該作者
最要不得的就是病好了是信的關係,如果不好,或死了呢難道是信錯了。這是典型的功利主義。太多的見證是這一類。通過有好處,來推銷信仰。一個人得著好處,他自已歸功神是他自已的事,別人無權說三道四,但由此向別人推銷,要別人也這樣信神,心雖好卻用錯地方,因外他已經代替了神。
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hellman 發表於 2010-12-24 04:59 | 只看該作者
Faith healing

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Faith healing refers to the healing of diseases, infirmities, etc., by supernatural means. In modern times, many Christian evangelists have claimed to have this ability. Some Christians have cited them as powerful evidence for the existence of God and the truth of Christianity. However, investigations of faith healers by men such as doctor William Nolen and magician James Randi have failed to find any evidence of actual miracles, and have turned up much evidence of fraud or, at best, self-deception.

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1 Methods

1.1 Without trickery

1.2 Involving trickery
2 References

[edit]Methods
The methods by which faith healers convince others of their powers can be divided into two groups: those that do not require conscious trickery on the part of the healer and those that do.

[edit]Without trickery
In his investigation of Kathryn Kuhlman, Nolen came to the conclusion that she was probably sincere. His observations of her patients suggest a number of ways in which a healer could come to falsely believe in his or her powers:

One man got up out of a wheelchair, but having met the man earlier, Nolen knew he had merely found walking difficult, not impossible. The man was back in his wheelchair after the service.
One 20-year old girl came up on stage to claim a cure for polio, but as a doctor Nolen could see that she was obviously not cured. However, both Kuhlman and her audience seemed equally oblivious to this fact.
Follow ups of patients with diseases that can improve naturally, such as multiple sclerosis, migraines, and bursitis resulted in patients claiming cures based on improvement but not total recovery, and even the extent of the improvement was unclear.
Follow ups of patients who had claimed cures for cancer found that they all still had cancer afterwards, and in at least two cases the patient died shortly after visiting Kuhlman.
In summarizing his investigation, Nolen concluded:

"The problem is, and I'm sorry this has to be so blunt, one of ignorance. Miss Kuhlman doesn't know the difference between psychogenic and organic diseases; she doesn't know anything about hypnotism and the power of suggestion; she doesn't know anything about the autonomic nervous system."
Thus, her lack of knowledge prevented her from accurately assessing what was going on in the people who came to her for help.

[edit]Involving trickery

One of the main types of deception used by faith healers is faking miraculous knowledge of the ailments people come to them for. This can be done by having people write down their ailments on sealed slips whose contents are revealed using a standard magician's trick known as the "one ahead trick." It can also be done by having assistants pump clients for information, which the healer may then commit to memory, put into notes, or be delivered by a secret radio receiver. The latter was the method used by Peter Popoff, whom James Randi exposed by using an electronic eavesdropping system to record the radio messages. This recording was then played over a tape of one of Popoff's performances on Johnny Carson's Tonight Show.

Another common trick is known as leg-lengthening, where the healer claims the patient has one leg longer than the other and then purports to correct the problem right before the audience's eyes. To those not familiar with the trick, it can seem like an undeniable miracle, but it is in fact a variant of a standard carnival trick and is explained in great detail in James Randi's book The Faith Healers.

[edit]References
Nolen, William A. Healing: A Doctor In Search of a Miracle New York: Random House, 1974.
Randi, James. The Faith Healers Prometheus Books, 1989.
Laying on hands to heal Mark 16:18 .
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hellman 發表於 2010-12-24 05:04 | 只看該作者

Jury finds faith-healing couple guilty in child's death
By MENSAH M. DEAN
Philadelphia Daily News


Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2010/1 ... .html#ixzz18yHFMUvv


A Philadelphia jury on Friday found a faith-healing couple guilty of involuntary manslaughter and endangering the welfare of a child in the 2009 pneumonia death of their 2-year-old son.

Herbert and Catherine Schaible could face a maximum of five to 10 years in prison on the manslaughter charge when they are sentenced early next year by Common Pleas Judge Carolyn Engel Temin.

The endangering charge is a felony that carries a maximum sentence of 3 1/2 to 7 years in prison. A third charge of criminal conspiracy was dropped during the trial.

Herbert and Catherine Schaible told police and a city social worker shortly after 2-year-old Kent Schaible died in January 2009 that they prayed for his recovery rather than seek medical help because they believed in faith-healing.

During the trial, however, their attorneys argued that they didn't seek a doctor because they thought Kent wasn't very sick, only suffering from a cold or a flu. Religion played no part in couple's actions, the defense attorneys said.

Assistant District Attorney Joanne Pescatore reminded the jury of that discrepancy and argued that the couple had, in fact, broken the law by putting their faith before acting in the best interest of their son.

Herbert, 42, is a teacher at the school run by the family's Christian fundamentalist church, First Century Gospel, and Catherine, 41, is a stay-at-home mother.

The couple live with their six surviving children in Philadelphia's Rhawnhurst neighborhood.

On Sunday, prayers were offered for the Schaibles during morning service at First Gospel, where the 500 members are taught to turn to prayer instead of medicine and doctors, said the Rev. Nelson Ambrose Clark, whose grandfather founded the church in 1925.

After service, Herbert Schaible's uncle, David Schaible, said of the couple: "Their faith in God is intact even though the persecution is as heavy as can be. They depend upon God for the answer, they depend upon God for the victory - and we shall overcome."

Posted on Fri, Dec. 10, 2010 05:09 PM


Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2010/1 ... .html#ixzz18yH8VGGX
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sousuo 發表於 2010-12-24 06:33 | 只看該作者
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信的不是神跡,是耶穌。

神不欠任何人的,想救誰是施恩典給那人,別人眼紅不得。

聖誕快樂。
床前明月光
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 樓主| 青貝殼 發表於 2010-12-24 06:47 | 只看該作者
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sousuo 發表於 2010-12-24 06:33
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信的不是神跡,是耶穌。


說得有道理,以結果來推論原因,一般不會錯。

平安夜快樂!
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ManCreatedGod 發表於 2010-12-29 11:42 | 只看該作者
一萬個癱瘓的耶教徒,耶酥能治好一個就是神的大能,那沒治好的9千9百9十9個就更證明神的無能
將來禍亂中國的必定是基督教
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 樓主| 青貝殼 發表於 2010-12-29 13:16 | 只看該作者
JIJIGEGE66 發表於 2010-12-29 11:33
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你說的是廉價福音,不值得提倡。但是信的人願意分享他們的見證,是為了

哦,那昂貴的福音是一種什麼福音捏?
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 樓主| 青貝殼 發表於 2010-12-29 13:17 | 只看該作者
ManCreatedGod 發表於 2010-12-29 11:42
一萬個癱瘓的耶教徒,耶酥能治好一個就是神的大能,那沒治好的9千9百9十9個就更證明神的無能

不能這麼說,耶穌好像還米有失敗過的案例。
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 樓主| 青貝殼 發表於 2010-12-29 13:20 | 只看該作者
JIJIGEGE66 發表於 2010-12-29 11:33
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你說的是廉價福音,不值得提倡。但是信的人願意分享他們的見證,是為了

當牧師手按病人腦瓜,口中念念有詞的時候,你如何判斷他或她是在榮耀神還是推銷福音呢?再者,推銷福音又有何錯呢?
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無限還原 發表於 2011-1-12 16:41 | 只看該作者
本帖最後由 無限還原 於 2011-1-12 16:42 編輯

真慘,原本可以和耶穌見面的機會都給魔鬼撒旦救回。
基督徒死了,就是去天堂享受和耶穌在一起的感覺。
被救回,不就是撒旦阻止基督徒上天堂的機會。
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 樓主| 青貝殼 發表於 2011-1-12 17:08 | 只看該作者
JIJIGEGE66:一個真正的牧師是被神呼召的,當他犯罪的時候,聖靈會管教他,你我是無資格對他說三道四的。總有一天你會為你所說的輕慢神的話付上代價的。  

哦,是這樣的嗎?我在很久以前也聽到一位牧師這樣說過:「牧師犯罪自有神管教,不用你們(指信徒)說三道四。」 你是牧師?而且是正在犯罪的牧師?

當他犯罪的時候,聖靈會管教他,

你何不在法庭上對法官這樣說?
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 樓主| 青貝殼 發表於 2011-1-12 17:18 | 只看該作者
如果一個牧師犯罪十幾年,那JIJIGEGE66是怎樣知道在這十幾年當中聖靈有沒有管教他?什麼時候管教他?或者根本沒有管教過他?直至被告上法庭......
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 樓主| 青貝殼 發表於 2011-1-12 18:00 | 只看該作者
羅2:12 凡沒有律法犯了罪的,也必不按律法滅亡;凡在律法以下犯了罪的,也必按律法受審判。 假借聖靈管教來逃避法律審判?這不僅僅是輕慢神,而是背叛神!
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