在西方一網站上與偏執自以為是者的辯爭（Illegal presence?）

這傢伙叫Dustin。的確，他的貼子里都是dust. 他誣衊說網上反對西方媒體片面報道的言論是因為中國政府付錢給他們了。這傢伙什麼都是在憑空猜測，卻還說什麼「We know the truth." 真是愚昧到了極點了。

下面就是Dustin的謠言貼子

As you all can see. It is clear now that the Chinese government is actually paying people to comment on western sites. They spew only propaganda. And it is easy to spot. It is all over this site, news.com, youtube and many others. It is designed to make you believe that the world is actually not united on the Tibet matter. But we know the truth.

Posted by: Dustin | Friday, 21 March 2008 at 03:38 AM

http://blogs.independent.co.uk/o ... 0#comment-107785590

下面是對謠言的駁斥。不好意思，就不翻譯了。

Hey, Dustin. Where are you? How do you that "the Chinese government is actually paying people to comment on western sites"? Do you have any receipts of the payment? Do you have anyone who received the money? If not, do not tell rumours. Do not mislead people.

It is really enlightening to read the western sites. It is enlightening because they are really good teaching materials for the Chinese like me to know that there are people like you who are making wild guesses about China and the Chinese. It is enlightening because they like you cannot really understand why Chinese do not like western sites on the issue of Xizang (Tibet). From the websites of BBC, CNN, and many other western sites, the Chinese people can see very biased and misleading views and reports. It is really a good lesson to see the true faces of those self-claimed unbiased western reports and websites.

Why do you use the word "It is clear now that ...". How clear are you?

Maybe you hate the communists, but I beg you not to hate the Chinese people.

I tell you that the Chinese people support the Chinese government to bring Lasah to peace in the riot a week ago. We are with the Government on this issue.

I beg you people not to stand up to support the Dalai Lama clique for their efforts to drive away all other ethnic groups and to have Xizang for only their people. That will arouse a much more serious human disaster.

Why you people could not stand up to support the equal and brotherly relations between the Xizang people (Tibetans) and the Han people and other ethnic groups?

You said you "know the truth." What do you know? You only know the truth that has been made up or misled by your western sites.

Wake up, man. Here is a website popular among overseas Chinese. http://club.backchina.com/main/forumdisplay.php?fid=37

Learn some Chinese and you will know the truth.[wma]mms://your.com/example.wma[/wma]

[ 本帖最後由 buweizhai 於 2008-3-23 12:29 編輯 ]

這個叫NeilMcGowan的人無端猜測在The Independent論壇發帖的人是收了政府的錢而發帖的，就因為他們講的話不是他想聽的。從他的貼子可以看出，西方人的那種傲慢。一付說假話還不以為是的醜惡嘴臉。

下面是他的貼子

Hey, "Jane Swann" - what's your REAL name? In Chinese, I mean? People haven't said they'd "eat their hat" in English since the late C19th. Another paid-to-post ChiCom *troll*.

And Julius - another paid-to-post Agent of the CPC!! Another one who thinks that throwing all the foreign journalists out of Tibet, and swallowing the crap they broadcast on "CCTV-9" is the way to learn the "truth"?? Sorry, Julius, but learning the "truth" from a man pointing a machine-gun at me isn't quite my .

The Olympics should be boycotted.

[BTW I've been in China seven times, and twice in Tibet. I've got friends in Tibet AND in Beijing.]

Posted by: Neil McGowan | Friday, 21 March 2008 at 06:58 AM



這是Julius的反駁貼子。

Neil， you have been in Beijing and Tibet but that does not mean you know the truth. You have friends there but that does not mean that you can tell lies. The phrase "another paid-to-post Agent of the CPC!!" has stripped you of your mask. You are accusing Jane Swann and me of "paid-to-post". Then please answer this simple question "do you have any proof that these two people are paid?" Show it here in this forum. False accusation can send you into jail.

You are sure not to be trusted at least about the accusation "paid-to-post". That will tell me that you also make wild guesses.

If you continue tell lies like that, you are not welcome to China.
Posted by: Julius | Friday, 21 March 2008 at 07:21 AM


到目前為止，Dustin和Neil還沒有在網上給出證據證明他們的指控是有根據的。

這是網址http://blogs.independent.co.uk/o ... 6#comment-107794856

這個網站上的言論，多數都是攻擊中國的。

[ 本帖最後由 buweizhai 於 2008-3-21 15:46 編輯 ]

這個人用很多判斷性的形容詞，很能說明他已經失去了判斷是非的能力了。

[[ Actually, Julius, ANYTHING can send you to jail in the corrupt Communist-controlled People's Republic of China. ]]

False accusation 1. What you mean by 「ANYTHING」? In China, anything that breaks the law will be punished.

You must be very very sad and deeply disappointed to see the 「corrupt communist-controlled People』s Republic of China」 in your eyes which should have already collapsed long ago is still progressing steadily.

[[ It's fascinating how the first thing to come out of your mouth is threats and intimidation - the characteristic behaviour of a paid Communist Party uniformed bully-boy. ]]

False accusation 2

Hey. Do not mislead others. The first thing I said is about your accusation that two people are "paid-to-post" and I asked you 「Then please answer this simple question "do you have any proof that these two people are paid?". Did you try to answer that question? Do you think you have any evidence to support your accusation?

「False accusation can send you into jail.」 is not a threat. It is a reminder and is true to everyone. So when you accuse somebody, bring out your evidence at the same time.

[[ Why do you use the name "Julius"?? Because you think you are an Emperor??? ROFL!!! Afraid to use your real Chinese name! And trying to appear like you are a foreigner expressing an opinion... instead of a CPC Official serving the will of a one-party Communist dictatorship ( ]]

False accusation 3

I guess you must have been greeted with big smiles from Chinese if you had said a few words in Chinese, no matter how different they sound. At least I do. When I greet people in their own language, like English, French, Spanish, Malay, Thai, Korean, Japanese, Italian, German, Tamil, and etc. friendship starts.
A lot of Chinese have an English name, for one thing, out of hospitality, for another, out of practical use.

You have read my comments and I have never covered my identity. It is you who tried not to show your evidence for your accusation in this forum.

[[ You prattle about the truth, but you kick all the journalists out... we're supposed to accept the Press-Release of a petit-demagogue would-be Julius Caesar as the truth??? ROFL!!! ]]

False accusation 4

What do you mean by 「all the journalists」? Do you mean the journalists from the western media only? So far as I know, there are also a lot of journalists from many other countries, including China. And there are still journalists there. I also know that quite a few journalists form western media are biased and they look for things they want to see.

[[ Here's the truth about China - filmed by Sky News, your ally Mr Murdoch!!! But you'll never see THIS truth on your crappy CCTV-9 pack of LIES!! ]]

False accusation 5

When you say 「your crappy CCTV-9 pack of LIES」, you already refuse to seek truth from that Channel. Do you really think it tells no truth at all? If your answer is yes, you are already biased.

[[ http://youtube.com/watch?v=x6M7NzTrrzs
(YouTube is currently banned in the "free" country of China, of course... along with the BBC, CNN, and most other reputable broadcasters. The gutless lies of Xinhua are the only "truth" (HA!) available there. ]]

False accusation 6

Thank you for passing the link to me, but it is not necessary. I have them with me. I can switch between them and the Chinese media easily online, or on TV, or in newspapers.

False claim 1

I watch those 「reputable」 broadcasters on TV too. They may be unbiased when they talk about issues of their own countries. But when it comes to the issues about China, they become biased, at least on the selection of pictures and stories to be put on TV. Very sorry to say, these media have lost the respect they once had in the minds of most Chinese.

Suggestion 1

Learn some Chinese and read some overseas Chinese websites, if you don』t believe the Chinese media based in China.

If you have, would you mind reading and comparing to seek for the truth?

Posted by: Julius | Friday, 21 March 2008 at 10:01 AM

[ 本帖最後由 buweizhai 於 2008-3-21 18:15 編輯 ]

It is the right thing for oversea Chinese to defend our goverment in this event.
Every Chinese can support you!

Why do you use the word "It is clear now that ...". How clear are you?
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中國政府也是這麼說達賴喇嘛的，說是達賴喇嘛策劃的，那麼證據呢？

原帖由 中國老白菜 於 2008-3-21 20:40 發表
Why do you use the word "It is clear now that ...". How clear are you?
==================================

中國政府也是這麼說達賴喇嘛的，說是達賴喇嘛策劃的，那麼證據呢？

不要急嚒. 時機一到. 就都會知道. 事實總是勝於雄辯的.

另外達賴喇嘛策劃的, 當然不可能是達賴喇嘛親身指揮的. 他也不可能事事自己干. 他的助手. 他的內閣干能不能算是他乾的?

@Julius

More threats. More lies. More accusations. Typical commisar behaviour.

And you won't look at the YouTube clip, will you? The truth is too hard to contemplate for you (

What you say about journalists is a LIE. CPC won't let any foreign journalists into Tibet, and threw out those already there. There's a news blackout from Tibet.

Posted by: Neil McGowan | Friday, 21 March 2008 at 10:57 AM

Hi Julius, you may be right in suggesting that the Dalai Lama should go to China, but not 「alone」. In 1989 The Panchen Lama suddenly and mysteriously died after delivering a strong criticism of the Chinese government. It is believed that he was poisoned. This should be a clear reminder for the advisers of the Dalai Lama.

Posted by: Samten Karmay | Friday, 21 March 2008 at 11:21 AM

這兩位答覆人，一個拒不回答為什麼把Julius和Jane Swann稱作paid-to-post, 卻一再無埠帽子。另一位，把別人的話加到Julius頭上，還就十世班禪的死造謠。

下面是答覆：

Julius的答覆

Neil, are you sure you've read my replies carefully?

Why don't you answer my simple question "do you have any proof that these two people are paid-to-post? and show it to us if you have.

Samten, are you sure you've also read my comments carefully?

I have not made any suggestion that Dalai Lama go to China, let alone to go there alone.

If you ask me for suggestions, I would like to say I wish you people give your support to the Chinese so that the Chinese, whether they are Han, or Tibetans, or Muslims, or any other ethnic groups, could hold their hands to work together for a better life, rather than support one to hate the other.

If Dalai Lama wants to go to China, he is welcome to come to talk about how to help people there lead a better life but not dividing China country into pieces.

Posted by: Julius | Friday, 21 March 2008 at 01:19 PM

開始討厭The Independent這個網站了，對上面的發帖人的觀點也開始討厭，把謠言猜測當作真理，而且是那樣的死硬不講道理，不回答問題，而是繼續造謠。同時也感到害怕這樣的人如果掌了權，世界將會更亂的。

就是要和那些帶有偏見的西方人講明西藏的真象

thank you very much for your work.

the so call western mainstream media only serves the purpose of their ruling class. they are manipulative of common people's opinion, use lies to justify their wars upon other countries.

it is sad that some chinese "elites" only believe the lies from the western mainstream media. they are ignorant of their own country's interest, but supporting of the interest of the imperialists.

sad, sad, sad.....

沒想寫這麼長。

大家晚安。

[[ Boycott China as a whole. Leaders and businessmen won't ; they rather would export jobs there. ]]

[[ Hey, Julius : how do know there is chinese PR on the web sites ? just see how they repeat the official propaganda 'tibet part of china' 'DL terrorist' 'liberation of tibet from serfdom and obscurantism' They indeed mislead people, but usually their langage is so poor that you can identify this prop quite immediately. ]]

Hey. Aargh. You are wrong to make the wild guesses. If one』s English is poor and that will make you decide what he said does not deserve your reading, you are really wrong.

Are you sure your English is good enough? I』m sorry to say that it』s appalling to see that you have simple language mistakes in your comments. 1) You forgot to capitalize the first letters of proper nouns like 「chinese PR」 and 「tibet". 2) Your spelling of 「langage」 is wrong. It is 「language」. 3) You forgot to use a subject before the predicate or the verb in your sentence 「how do know …?」. 4) You forgot to use capital letters to start new sentences like 「how do know …」 and 「just see how they …」. 5) You forgot to use 「and」 to link the last two examples you gave for 「the official propaganda」, or you can use 「, and so on」 to end the sentence. 6) You forgot to use the indefinite article 「a」 in front of a singular countable noun as in 「there is chinese PR. 7) You forgot to use a full stop at the end of the second sentence in the above paragraph. 8) You forgot that there is no space between a word and the punctuation mark after it, and you have a space between words and 「:』 and 「?」 after them. 9) You forgot to use commas to separate the examples you gave. 10) You cannot use commas to link two sentences. You have to use a conjunction at the same time or use a full stop for each sentence. Sorry to say that these mistakes have been repeated in the other paragraphs. It is funny to see a poor English user shout at people to tell them their English is poor.

See, you have TEN mistakes in this short 55-word-long paragraph. Are you sure that you have finished your primary school education successfully? More importantly, do you read your comments before you post them? Do you think twice before you make any comments? Do you make hasty comments on the issues about China?

The Chinese posters here may be poorer than you in their English but that』s what they want to say.

[[ How enlightening to read these comments, they tell so much about the brutal nature of the regime that pays them. ]]

You need to show your proof when you accuse the Chinese posters of being paid.

[[ Your wild guess is that people here will swallow those hollow arguments like people in china do.  ]]

No one wants you to swallow anything. What I want to say here is that there is another voice which is popular among the Chinese and which is different from what you have already heard.

[[ No need to speak chinese to understand the reality of the colonialist PCC regime and its stalinian propaganda. ]]

Yes. You need to know some Chinese to understand the Chinese. Do you know that there are 1.3 billion Chinese but very few can speak and write in English? If you do not know Chinese, you will surely lose the authentic channel to understand the Chinese. Your data about China will surely be second-handed or, disgustingly, the bread chewed by others.

What do you want to impress people when you use the word 「colonialist」 in you English comments. Do you know this? 「Colonialist」 and 「colony」 are words of neutral and sometimes even positive connotations in English, but they have very strong negative connotations in Chinese. These words portray how the western powers bullied, attacked, destroyed and impoverished the people of the land that was once being colonized.

[[ Tibet, Kham and Amdo are not part of China. Your selfclaimed possessino of these people and territories just foul yourself.]]

You are absolutely wrong. They are DEFINITELY part of China. Do you have maps of China and maps of those places for the last 1000 years? Have you ever taken the trouble to find these maps out and read them?

Please ask the head of your government to see what he will say about them. He will tell you clearly Tibet, Kham and Amdo are part of China. This is what your country has made clear in public and in documents.

[[ I do not hate the Chinese people, I am myself a long time admirer and practitioner of chinese culture, taïchi, chiquong, tao. Anyway, the way chinese minds is getting brainwashed by stalinian propaganda does not incline to admiration, to say the least ]]

I am afraid that you DO hate the Chinese people. You show it clearly in your comments without hesitation.

1) At the very beginning of your comments, you use an imperative sentence 「Boycott China as a whole.」 to call for it against the Chinese people. Why do you suggest 「boycotting China as a whole」? Do the Chinese have no rights for development simply because you do not like them? To your disappointment, China has been progressing steadily amidst the boycotts from the Western Powers in the past sixty years and will progress steadily without question, whether there are boycotts or not. Boycotts will only enable China to grow stronger. We lose nothing but manacles and chains you people want to put on us while we fight against your boycotts.

2) You want to cut China into pieces when you are saying 「Tibet, Kham and Amdo are not part of China.」 This is what the Chinese people will not accept. China is the home for the fifty-six ethnic groups that live in this country. You have no right to cut off any part and give it to any one you want. You are not welcome to China if you support any split of China in whatever way.

3) Do you think that the Chinese are your equals? You reject the views of a Chinese by accusing their 「the way chinese minds is getting brainwashed.」 I know that the word 「brainwashed」 is a word that you people like to use in your comments when you people show your contempt for Chinese and deny that they are equals to you. Tell you one known secret. The Chinese already notice the inaccuracy of the well-known saying 「All men are created equal.」 because there are also women, blacks, Asians, American Indians, and many others in the world. When it was first translated into Chinese more than one hundred years ago, it became 「All people are created equal.」 in Chinese. The Chinese are as clever as you people and they have the reasoning power as much as or even more than you people do.

It is prejudiced to say someone is brainwashed.


[[ "We are with the Government on this issue" what a surprise ! ]]

Why is there a surprise to you? We have a government because we need it to protect us and protect the unity of our home. If the government fails to do it, we will have another one that can do its job well.

Sorry. You have grammar mistakes in your sentence.

[[ "Dalai Lama clique for their efforts to drive away all other ethnic groups and to have Xizang for only their people" : such arguments are stupid, can only be swallowed by brainwashed minds. It expresses the worst stalinian propaganda, but open your eyes : every body admires the Dalai-Lama for its unrivalled human qualities, you are making fools of yourself. ]]

No one would stop you from admiring Dalai Lama. What I hope is that he will become a force in helping the Chinese people stay together happily and progress together rather than dividing the country into pieces, which will make all the Chinese lose their time for development.

[[ And for the ethnic argument : that's their country, not yours. Go home ! ]]

Sorry. You will be disagreed with without hesitation.

[[ "Why you people could not stand up to support the equal and brotherly relations between the Xizang people (Tibetans) and the Han people and other ethnic groups?"
you must be talking of the arrogance and feeling of superiority of the Han, aren't you ? that's your vision of brotherly relations I guess.. ]]

It is just a wish that you can help. Don』t you want to? I had classmates of other ethnic groups and we were brothers. We played together, helped each other, and supported each other.

[[ Not only, tourists speak, so do tibetans too. And your glorious government takes all measures to prevent any free information, doesn'it ? ]]

Your media are biased on the issues about China.

Sorry. You have a spelling mistake in the last word. Please do not tell me that』s another way of spelling it.

[[ "Wake up, man." Yes it is about time ! ]]

Yes. Wake up. It is already the time.

Ha. I did not expect to write so much. It is really a great Good Friday to have time to share. Hahahah

[ 本帖最後由 buweizhai 於 2008-3-22 03:51 編輯 ]

buweizhai

Mack連Red Guards（紅衛兵）是六七十年代的名詞都不知道，就敢發貼子。他甚至連西藏的人口都不願意查一下，就敢說西藏一百萬人被謀殺了。

西方這樣的糊塗人還很多而且自以為是。

在一個自稱言論自由的地方，這些人真的有言論自由嗎？還是他們已經丟掉了他們探知事實的意識了。

下面是關於西藏人口的答覆帖。

>>Mack: In 1950 Red Guards invaded Tibet murdering over 1 million people and destroying 6000 monasteries. <<

Do you really know a bit about Xizang or Tibet or the Chinese history?

"Red Guards" was a term used in the late 1960s and 70s by Chinese students who said they were guards of the revolutionary cause.

When you say 「One million was murdered.」 may I ask you: do you know how many Tibetans there are in the area of what is now the Autonomous Region in the last 300 years? If you do, you will not make that false accusation. Here they are.

In 1737 the population of the Tibetan ethnic group in Tibet and other areas was 2.7 million according to the population census by the government of the Qing Dynasty, and it was 1 million in Tibet in 1830.

The Population of Tibetans in Tibet in 1953 was nearly one million. Now it is 2.6 million.

Tibetans make up 92% of the population in the Autonomous Region.

buweizhai, you did a very good job
keep going, we all support you.

謝謝！

取得了一個小小的勝利：那些什麼paid-to-post、a paid Communist Party uniformed bully-boy之類的誣衊語言臆斷語言還沒有再出現。

[ 本帖最後由 buweizhai 於 2008-3-22 15:45 編輯 ]

我仔細的讀了你的貼子，我太佩服你了，也感謝你辛苦的工作，強烈支持你，和我們共同的祖國，3月22日2。25 am,canada

謝謝鼓勵。為了我們共同的祖國！

這位Neil先生，一付理屈詞窮的樣子，只會給人貼標籤了。怎麼和中文網站上一些人一樣也只會給人貼標籤。

不過也好至少The Independent網站，他把自己給揭露了，證明他是壓制別人的言論自由的。這是網址供瀏覽。
http://blogs.independent.co.uk/o ... 0#comment-107917310

[[ Most of the "threats" have come from you - with your CPC Communist bully-boy attitude. ]]

[[ What a hypocrite and liar you are - to use the Freedom Of Speech in the West to promote the agenda of a Communist-led dictatorship (which has never held ANY elections) in which there's no freedom of speech AT ALL. You're a liar. ]]

Hey, Neil. Besides the labels and curses you gave me in your post, do you have anything else? Why do you always curse people? Why do you accuse me of a liar? You do that simply because I am Chinese and have said something which you never want to listen to?

I am beginning to be really afraid of you and your labels. I see in front of me a big guy of muscles punching me in the face simply because he is out of words and reason.

Read my post CAREFULLY, please. Could you find a label or a curse like that you gave me in my post? I am posting because I want to discuss with people here, but not to be labeled. I am telling what I have in my mind. You don』t need to frighten me and others with your labels and curses. Show us what you know about Xizang or Tibet or China.
I feel pity for you too because you are really ruining the beauty of freedom of speech.

Posted by: Julius | Saturday, 22 March 2008 at 12:17 PM

把西藏和中央政府的關係說成是illegal presence非法存在，是西方人常用的一個詞。原因就是這些人孤陋寡聞，自以為是。他們也許是善良的人，但是因為無知卻在做著錯事。

下面是對Mary Dale的回答。


[[ If the will were there we could put pressure on China over its treatment of and illegal presence in Tibet.
Posted by: Mary Dale | Saturday, 22 March 2008 at 11:54 PM ]]

「Illegal presence」 is a term that is almost always used by posters who criticize or attack China over the issue of Xizang or Tibet.

Hey, Mary. Would you then please kindly tell people here what you mean by 「illegal」?
Do you mean it is illegal because China never sought the consent of the parliament of your own country?
Do you mean it is illegal because China does not follow the laws of your own country or your order or your permission to decide its own domestic affairs?

Would you kindly recall if you have ever read the documents between the local government of Xizang or Tibet and the central government of China over the relations between both sides in the past 1000 years? Have you ever read the agreement (known as The Seventeen Articles) signed by both sides in 1951? Dalai Lama and Panchan Lama both signed it and declared that they would support the unity of China. Do you know that?

Now even Dalai Lama affirms that Xizang or Tibet is part of China and that he is a Chinese. Even your own government never questions that Xizang or Tibet is part of China. What backs you up to come up with 「its illegal presence in Tibet」? What evidence do you have to tell people here that China had an illegal presence in Xizang or Tibet? Posted by: Julius | Sunday, 23 March 2008 at 03:54 AM

[ 本帖最後由 buweizhai 於 2008-3-23 13:13 編輯 ]

西方人一直把珠穆朗瑪峰稱為Mount Everest，因為有一位叫Everest的英國人是登上珠穆朗瑪峰的第一個西方人。按照他們的習慣，他們把這座山峰叫作了Everest。這是尊重藏族同胞的表現嗎？不是，因為他們對藏族是不屑一顧的。直到今天，西方人還把這座山峰叫做Mount Everest。

但是在漢語里，這座山峰的名字是來自藏族同胞用的名字，叫做珠穆朗瑪峰。珠穆德意思是女神。朗瑪是女神的名字。峰是類屬名詞。

所以中國人是懂得尊重人的。

所以誰更了解尊重藏族同胞，從名字的使用上可以找到答案。



A small question for those who criticize or attack China on Xizang or Tibet:

What is the name of the mountain that people in Xizang or Tibetans regard as a goddess? It is the highest mountain in the world, by the way.

Mount Everest. The answer is correct in your language, but that is not the name that Tibetans like. If you continue to use Mount Everest, I don』t think you really respect the Tibetans. I doubt that you really bother to know Xizang and the people there well.

The name in Chinese is Zhumulangma or Jomolangma. It has the exact pronunciation of the name that the Tibetans give to the mountain. In the language of the Tibetans, 「Zhumu」 means goddess and 「langma」 is her name. The other Chinese including all the other fifty-five ethnic groups respect the Tibetans. They do not call the mountain with a name they invent but follow the Tibetans to call their sacred mountain Zhumulangma or Jomolangma.

That』s an important token of respect and equality. So who』s more respectful to the Tibetans?

Posted by: Julius | Sunday, 23 March 2008 at 04:55 AM

這個叫Neil的，又出現了，不過更加風狂了。只會咬人了。一百二十三個字的帖子，有十七個字是罵人的，佔總數的百分之十四。

自始自終，他都是這樣罵人，沒有提出過任何事實，比如年代、地點、人物、事件等等。

在The Independent網站上責難中國的帖子，有很多都是這樣的。要不就是狂叫Boycott China, Boycott Chinese goods等等。能提出事實的幾乎沒有。

啊，有一個，說一百萬藏人被殺了。不過大家都知道，這是沒有事實依據的。

西藏人口在經歷了幾百年的萎縮停止后，於一九五一年以後開始增長，現在是二百四十萬。

西藏人口的萎縮是和大量的男性當喇嘛有關。在達賴喇嘛統治時期，喇嘛曾經占人口的百分之二十六。（http://club.backchina.com/main/v ... &extra=page%3D3）

四分之一的人口，而且是男性，不從事生產，也不生育，結果「自七世紀到清朝（1644-1911），西藏由於僧尼不能婚育、不能從事生產，人口減少了800萬。從清朝到1950年，又減少80萬。」（http://www.tibetinfor.com/tibetzt/data2002/01/03.htm）

所以西藏能有今天的人口增長，全是因為民主改革的結果。如果說藏人人口減少的話，那也是過去幾任達賴喇嘛時期發生的。



下面是瘋* 的帖子。這個帖子雖然是污言穢語滿篇，主觀臆斷不斷，但是是一個很好的展示西人狂妄無知不會辯論的醜惡嘴臉。

Still conducting your interrogation here, I see??

You're a coward, a bully, and a spook. You point about the names of mountains is utter empty crap. If that's the best you can, arsehole, you can give up.

Go back to your job beating-up detainees, Commie spook.

I read your messages in detail, and apart from your many mistakes in English couldn't find anything in them except lies, more lies, and lies about lies. You are a Communist thug, you are utter scum, and there is no point discussing things with a crook and a liar.

And as I said - you are too cowardly to use your real name, you hide behind a laughable alias. I don't discuss anything with cowards and liars. （Posted by: Neil McGowan | Sunday, 23 March 2008 at 05:29 AM）

Respond to a post just read.

What does he have in his new post? Labels and curses: coward, bully, spook, crap, arsehole, lie, thug, crook, liar. Do well-educated people use such words? Anyway, never have I.

The post is 123 word long, but there are 17 labels and curses. That』s 14% of the total. Does he know anything like years, numbers, and places except those nasty words?

Find any Chinese map of China and find the name of the mountain on them, and he is sure to be disappointed to see he is wrong.

Mistakes in English? Yes. I've spotted one in this sentence: 「You point about the names of mountains is utter empty crap.」 Does he know where it is? Another one is the misuse of commas.

Enough with it, but enlightening to see a cursing face.

Posted by: Julius | Sunday, 23 March 2008 at 06:43 AM