無神論者愛迪生倍受教會攻擊 - 再駁基督徒研究同學謠言

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原帖由 研究 於 2008-2-5 07:48 發表


您都調查了？文章的作者是非基督徒？

基督徒的研究成果您都不享用嗎？如果您不用愛迪生的發明（因為他是基督徒），不用安培，瓦特，您用什麼呢？

基督徒安德魯的「比爾是基督徒」的謊言剛被戳破，這裡以愛「思考」出名的基督徒研究同學再次拋出發明家愛迪生是基督徒的謠言。難道基督徒們離開造謠就無法生存了嗎？讓我們看看相關資料是如何描述的。

我們嘗試從網際網路上搜索有關愛迪生和基督教的信息，發現除了某些基督教網站把愛迪生，達爾文，愛因斯坦歸類為基督徒以外，大部分網站都沒有說他們是基督徒或者強調他們的反上帝的言行，以下一段話來自一個中立的中文網站百度（http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=284769866）：

雖然愛迪生不是一個傲慢的人，但是骨子裡卻有著水瓶座對於智力的驕傲。他不易接受其他人的意見。和任何一個水瓶座一樣，他絕不迷信權威，甚至還要反對權威。他在改進發電機時，就曾向一位電學權威挑戰。他不相信當時流行的什麼「電機普遍規律」。愛迪生一生也一直同陳腐的宗教觀念鬥爭。有人問他：「上帝對你意味著什麼？」愛迪生說：「一個有人性的上帝對我毫無意義。」他宣稱他「是一切迷信的敵人」，「聖經是胡說八道」。愛迪生的話傳到教會，宗教界立即掀起了反對愛迪生的巨浪，他家的信箱充滿了殺氣騰騰的來信。愛迪生面對教會的攻擊毫不懼怕，他說：「我並不為我的攻擊擔心，我說的是真話，我從來沒有看見天堂地獄。上帝關於個人未來道路的理論，沒有絲毫科學證明。證據！證據！這是我經常追求的。」水瓶座的最好寫照就是，「生命誠可貴，愛情價更高，為了自由故，兩者皆可拋」。

甚至在一個基督教的英文網站hyperhisotry里，愛迪生也因為不相信上帝而受到攻擊和指責，以下是這篇由基督徒寫的攻擊愛迪生不信上帝的原文(http://www.hyperhistory.net/apwh/bios/b4edisont.htm)節選：

"I have never seen the slightest proof of the religious theories of heaven and hell, of future life for individuals, or of a personal God. If there is really any soul, I have found no evidence of it in my investigations." 2 Despite the genius mind of Thomas Edison, he ignored the existence of the ultimate Genius.

Edison also expressed his dislike for theoretical science. 12 Because of his agnostic belief, he disregarded religion and the existence of a personal God. After his wife died in 1884, Edison shortly thereafter married Mina Miller, a devout Christian, who tried to show him the truth about God. 14 In spite of all her efforts, however, Edison stubbornly refused to listen. Remaining true to his atheism, he said, "I do not believe in the God of the theologians; but that there is a Supreme Intelligence I do not doubt."

When it came to science, Edison was always eager to learn. Yet, when it came down to theological discussions about life after death and the existence of a God, he refused to delve deeper.

Unwilling to accept the truth, Edison went to his grave on October 18, 1931.


[ 本帖最後由 liebling 於 2008-2-5 09:03 編輯 ]

沒有哪個基督徒給他也來個臨終懺悔？沒有就趕緊來一個

曾被譽為『世界上最偉大的人物之一』美國大發明家愛迪生也是一位虔誠的基督徒，他說：「假如我否定上帝的存在，我就等於褻瀆我的知識，我深信有一位全知全能，充滿萬有，至高至尊的上帝」。（《愛迪生傳》第293頁）愛迪生與其友拉拖洛談話。愛迪生說：「我認為每一顆原子必由某種智慧所掌管。朋友問：「這種智慧從何而來」？愛迪生答：「從一個比我們更偉大的能力而來」。

請看看你的來源出處，我的資料來源裡面，攻擊愛迪生不信神的可是你們自己的基督教網站啊，難道研究同學的意思說你們基督徒在撒謊侮蔑愛迪生？

Edison was accused of atheism for these remarks, and although he did not allow himself to be drawn into the controversy publicly, he defended himself in a private letter. "You have misunderstood the whole article, because you jumped to the conclusion that it denies the existence of God. There is no such denial, what you call God I call Nature, the Supreme intelligence that rules matter. All the article states is that it is doubtful in my opinion if our intelligence or soul or whatever one may call it lives hereafter as an entity or disperses back again from whence it came, scattered amongst the cells of which we are made."[

from n an October 2, 1910 interview in the New York Times Magazine, Edison stated:

    Nature is what we know. We do not know the gods of religions. And nature is not kind, or merciful, or loving. If God made me -- the fabled God of the three qualities of which I spoke: mercy, kindness, love -- He also made the fish I catch and eat. And where do His mercy, kindness, and love for that fish come in? No; nature made us -- nature did it all -- not the gods of the religions.

原帖由 研究 於 2008-2-4 20:22 發表
Edison was accused of atheism for these remarks, and although he did not allow himself to be drawn into the controversy publicly, he defended himself in a private letter. "You have misunderstood the whole article, because you jumped to the conclusion that it denies the existence of God. There is no such denial, what you call God I call Nature, the Supreme intelligence that rules matter. All the article states is that it is doubtful in my opinion if our intelligence or soul or whatever one may call it lives hereafter as an entity or disperses back again from whence it came, scattered amongst the cells of which we are made."

不錯，謝謝研究提供。

從wiki上我們看得很清楚，事實上愛迪生為了安慰那些譴責他的歇斯底里的基督徒，說基督徒說的God相當於他心目中的Nature，但其實還是有區別的，他並不相信耶經中的那個上帝，他相信的是自然，這從他1910年接受採訪時的講話裡面我們看得很清楚。

[ 本帖最後由 liebling 於 2008-2-5 10:32 編輯 ]

摘自

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/john_murphy/edison.html

Thomas Alva Edison (1847-1931) recognized no power greater than Nature, and spent his life investigating the nature of Nature. His ability to concentrate may have been enhanced by a childhood accident. As he raced for a moving train where he sold newspapers, a conductor helped him aboard by grabbing him by his ears. The young Edison felt a snap inside his head that left him hearing impaired for life. He would secure well over a thousand patents for his inventions, but that story is well known. His truculent agnosticism is not generally known, but it resulted from his investigation into the alleged supernatural.

Sited from

http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/edison.htm

One area in which Edison was decidedly not a conservative was that of religion. He was a freethinker from the time he first read Paine's Age of Reason as a boy. Josephson makes the interesting observation that "nonconformity was more widely respected in America, and religious freedom more honored, fifty years ago than now." Josephson's biography was published in 1959. His observation, sadly, is as true thirty years later.

Even so, Edison stirred up a storm when, in a 1910 interview with journalist Edward Marshall, Edison rejected the idea of the supernatural, along with such ideas as the soul, immortality, and a personal God. "Nature," he said, "is not merciful and loving, but wholly merciless, indifferent." Edison was denounced by many. A prominent psychologist exploded that "people who do not believe in immortality are abnormal, if not pathological." There were, of course, religious liberals who did not feel threatened by Edison's bluntness, but their opinions did not make good press copy. Edison believed that religion should place emphasis on morals rather than theology, that churches should "become true schools of ethics and stop teaching fables ... which keep them from the proper emphasis on that one great Truth, the Golden Rule." Wyn Wachhorst, a biographer, points out, "Edison rejected three fundamental tenets of Christianity: the divinity of Christ, a personal God, and immortality;" and Josephson remarks:

For a while the controversy threatened to be as heated as those provoked during the Victorian era in England by the skeptical writings of Darwin, Huxley, and Tyndall, which were the favorite reading of Edison's youth.

Edison was a great admirer of Robert Green Ingersoll and offered the extravagant tribute of suggesting that Ingersoll had all the attributes of a perfect man. He also admired other contemporary freethinkers, such as Luther Burbank, and his good friend John Burroughs, the naturalist.

Edison did apparently believe in a "Supreme Intelligence," in which respect he was a typical 19th century deist. "I do not believe in the God of the theologians; but that there is a Supreme Intelligence I do not doubt." Toward the end of his life, Edison toyed with a sort of quasi-Leibnizian conception of microscopic "life entities" (which Ford referred to as "enities"); this line of thought led nowhere, though it encouraged Ford and others to hope that the great inventor would discover scientific evidence for a belief in immortality.

原帖由 自由之靈 於 2008-2-5 10:49 發表
Edison did apparently believe in a "Supreme Intelligence," in which respect he was a typical 19th century deist. "I do not believe in the God of the theologians; but that there is a Supreme Intelligence I do not doubt." Toward the end of his life, Edison toyed with a sort of quasi-Leibnizian conception of microscopic "life entities" (which Ford referred to as "enities"); this line of thought led nowhere, though it encouraged Ford and others to hope that the great inventor would discover scientific evidence for a belief in immortality.

華人基督徒們就喜歡一次又一次的曲解那些不信神的名人的原話，並大作文章。難怪有基督徒蠢到把猶太人愛因斯坦都說成是基督徒。

愛迪生看來不是一個基督徒，他是一個自然神論者，就象愛因斯坦一樣。

原帖由 自由之靈 於 2008-2-5 10:49 發表
"I do not believe in the God of the theologians; but that there is a Supreme Intelligence I do not doubt." .

我在wiki上看到了相同的引文。愛因斯坦的確不是基督徒，他是自然神論者。

謝謝。

原帖由 研究 於 2008-2-5 10:22 發表
Edison was accused of atheism for these remarks, and although he did not allow himself to be drawn into the controversy publicly, he defended himself in a private letter. "You have misunders ...

愛因斯坦的上帝

原帖由 信仰平等 於 2008-2-5 11:32 發表


愛因斯坦的上帝

是這樣。愛因斯坦也信自然神。去年time 有撰文論述。

[ 本帖最後由 研究 於 2008-2-5 11:35 編輯 ]

原帖由 研究 於 2008-2-4 21:24 發表
愛迪生看來不是一個基督徒，他是一個自然神論者，就象愛因斯坦一樣。

這個態度不錯。

原帖由 在美一方 於 2008-2-5 09:28 發表

幸災樂禍？研究總算擺了一次烏龍！

原帖由 研究 於 2008-2-5 11:24 發表
愛迪生看來不是一個基督徒，他是一個自然神論者，就象愛因斯坦一樣。

基督徒也有勇於承認錯誤的嘛。

原帖由 liebling 於 2008-2-5 11:41 發表

基督徒也有勇於承認錯誤的嘛。

錯了就是錯了。有什麼不能承認的？不過我還得感謝您呢，及時糾正我的錯誤。