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hellman 發表於 2010-2-2 00:52 | 只看該作者 回帖獎勵 |倒序瀏覽 |閱讀模式
Haiti: Arrested Baptists may be sent to US

By PAISLEY DODDS and FRANK BAJAK, Associated Press Writers Paisley Dodds And Frank Bajak, Associated Press Writers – 41 mins ago
PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti – Haitian officials say they are talking with U.S. diplomats about whether 10 American Baptists arrested trying to take children out of the country should be sent to the United States for prosecution.

A lawyer representing the Americans says the nine are being treated poorly and one of them, a diabetic, fainted and has been hospitalized.

Haiti's communications minister says the Americans might have to face justice in the United States because Haiti's court system has been crippled by the Jan. 12 earthquake.

Lawyer Jorge Puello in the Dominican Republic says the Americans are crammed in a small room at at Haiti's judicial police headquarters. He claims they have not been given adequate medical care and food.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti (AP) — The arrest of 10 Americans for trying to take children out of Haiti has raised an uncomfortable question in this brutally poor and earthquake-devastated country: Could some children be better off abroad under the grim circumstances?

The Baptists from Idaho were waiting Monday to hear if they will be tried on child trafficking charges for attempting to take 33 Haitian children to the Dominican Republic without official authorization. Guards waved off reporters who tried to enter to meet them.

Child welfare groups expressed outrage over Friday's attempt, saying some of the children had parents who survived the Jan. 12 earthquake. Prime Minister Max Bellerive denounced the group's "illegal trafficking of children" in a country long afflicted by the scourge and by foreign meddling.

But the reality is that some struggling Haitian parents see adoption as a last-ditch hope for their children.

"My parents died in the earthquake. My husband has gone. Giving up one of my kids would at least give them a chance," Saintanne Petit-Frere, 40, a mother of six living outside in a tent camp near the airport said Sunday. "My only fear is that they would forget me, but that wouldn't affect my decision."

The Baptists' "Haitian Orphan Rescue Mission" was described as an effort to save abandoned, traumatized children. Their plan was to scoop up 100 kids and take them by bus to a 45-room hotel at Cabarete, a beach resort in the Dominican Republic. The 33 kids ranged in age from 2 months to 12 years.

They were stopped at the border for not having proper paperwork and taken back to Port-au-Prince, where the children were taken to a temporary children's home.

Haiti's justice secretary, Amarick Louis, told The Associated Press that a commission would meet Monday to determine if the group would go before a judge. The group was being held at a building where government ministers are giving regular briefings — a maze of dingy concrete rooms but not traditional cells. Their living conditions were unclear.

Foreigners adopting children from the developing world have grabbed headlines recently — Madonna tried to adopt a girl from Malawi amid criticism from locals, while Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie have a burgeoning multicultural brood.

But in Haiti, a long tradition of foreign military intervention coupled with the earthquake that destroyed much of the capital and plunged it even deeper into poverty, have made this issue even more emotionally charged.

"Some parents I know have already given their children to foreigners," said Adonis Helman, 44. "I've been thinking how I will choose which one I may give."

Haiti's overwhelmed government has halted all adoptions unless they were in motion before the earthquake amid fears that parentless or lost children are more vulnerable than ever to being seized and sold. Sex trafficking has been rampant in Haiti.

Without proper documents and concerted efforts to track down their parents, children could be forever separated from family members able and willing to care for them. Bellerive's personal authorization is now required for the departure of any child.

"For UNICEF, what is important is that for children separated from their parents, we do everything possible to have their families traced and to reunite them," said Kent Page, a spokesman for the group in Haiti. "They have to be protected from traffickers or people who wish to exploit these children."

He said it was possible the Americans arrested may have had "good intentions but misguided execution."

The Idaho church group's spokeswoman, Laura Silsby, told the AP from detention that the group was "just trying to do the right thing" amid the chaos. She conceded she had not obtained the proper Haitian documents for the children.

The children were taken to an orphanage run by Austrian-based SOS Children's Villages, where spokesman George Willeit said they arrived "very hungry, very thirsty." A 2- to 3-month-old baby was dehydrated and had to be hospitalized, he said. Workers were searching for their families or close relatives.

"One (8-year-old) girl was crying, and saying, 'I am not an orphan. I still have my parents.' And she thought she was going on a summer camp or a boarding school or something like that," Willeit said.

As the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere, Haiti is in a difficult spot — it needs aid, but deeply resents foreign meddling. Many have mixed feelings toward Christian groups that funnel hundreds of millions into missions in Haiti.

Christian missionaries alone run or support an estimated 2,000 primary schools attended by some 600,000 students — a third of Haiti's school-aged population, according to government figures. Church groups also run vital hospitals, orphanages and food-distribution sites.

"There are many who come here with religious ideas that belong more in the time of the inquisition," said Max Beauvoir, head of Haiti's Voodoo Priest's Association, which represents thousands of priests and priestesses. "These types of people believe they need to save our souls and our bodies from ourselves. We need compassion, not proselytizing now, and we need aid — not just aid going to people of the Christian faith."

Two-thirds of Haiti's 9 million are said to practice Voodoo, a melange of beliefs combining animism from west Africa and Catholicism.

Many religious groups run legitimate adoption agencies and orphanages in Haiti.

The arrested Americans include members of the Central Valley Baptist Church in Meridian, Idaho, and the East Side Baptist Church in Twin Falls, Idaho. They are part of the Southern Baptist Convention, which is America's largest Protestant denomination and has extensive humanitarian programs worldwide.

The Idaho churches had elaborate plans before the earthquake to shelter up to 200 Haitian and Dominican boys and girls in the Magante beach resort, complete with a school and chapel as well as villas and a seaside cafe catering to adoptive U.S. parents.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100201/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cb_haiti_americans_detained
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分_享 發表於 2010-2-3 05:10 | 只看該作者
「The group's actions are further complicated by a view amongst some Haitian parents that giving a child up for adoption to foreigners may be their best chance for a future. 」
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信仰平等 發表於 2010-2-3 05:18 | 只看該作者
改變不了非法偷渡的事實.
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分_享 發表於 2010-2-3 05:27 | 只看該作者
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當年馬思聰出走也是非法偷渡吧? 事情會慢慢清楚的,不要忙著下結論
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信仰平等 發表於 2010-2-3 05:42 | 只看該作者
神權高於法律是要不得的.
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分_享 發表於 2010-2-3 06:07 | 只看該作者
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parents want their children have a better future 是神權?
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信仰平等 發表於 2010-2-3 09:33 | 只看該作者
神權指使教徒們非法偷渡一些海地人交給他們的孩子. 
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·八戒· 發表於 2010-2-3 23:45 | 只看該作者
父母希望孩子怎樣是一回事,是否合法則是另一回事。領養需要有很多法律手續,這誰都知道吧。難道美國人這回把「希望」放在法律之上了?難道符合「希望」就可以違法?
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分_享 發表於 2010-2-4 04:33 | 只看該作者
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合法自然好,你認為以海地的目前情況,是儘快把孩子安置到一個安全的地方重要還是辦這些法律手續重要。法律就可以高過生命?還是那句話, 事情會慢慢清楚的,不要忙著下結論
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信仰平等 發表於 2010-2-4 04:48 | 只看該作者
培養基督徒,要從娃娃抓起.

承認非法了?

孩子有生命問題嗎?解釋解釋.  
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分_享 發表於 2010-2-4 05:06 | 只看該作者
本帖最後由 分_享 於 2010-2-4 05:08 編輯

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你認為海地目前「風調雨順,政通人和」?看9樓結語
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信仰平等 發表於 2010-2-4 05:31 | 只看該作者
當然不是,但你有什麼證據說孩子有性命之憂?那些孩子有些有父母吧.
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分_享 發表於 2010-2-4 06:36 | 只看該作者
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見我沙發貼
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信仰平等 發表於 2010-2-4 10:25 | 只看該作者
本帖最後由 信仰平等 於 2010-2-5 03:46 編輯

"their best chance for a future"=性命之憂?????

NBC電視畫面里的孩子活蹦亂跳的,哪來的性命之憂?
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分_享 發表於 2010-2-5 05:38 | 只看該作者
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NBC電視畫面里的孩子活蹦亂跳的=海地現在很安全?
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gyl 發表於 2010-2-5 06:20 | 只看該作者
是浸信會罷?為甚麼說是「路德教教徒」?
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 樓主| hellman 發表於 2010-2-5 10:42 | 只看該作者
是浸信會罷?為甚麼說是「路德教教徒」?
gyl 發表於 2010-2-5 06:20



    是侵信會的,我腦子怎麼把這個搞反了.看來應該好好研究基督教才行.
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gyl 發表於 2010-2-5 11:01 | 只看該作者
回復 17# hellman

大概你看所有基督徒,不分宗派,都是一樣的。就如外國人看東方人,都是一個面孔。
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·八戒· 發表於 2010-2-5 21:16 | 只看該作者
今天看到新聞報道,那些孩子中的2/3是有父母的。詢問那些孩子父母的結果是,他們相信了這些「美國人」說的,能給孩子一個「優越」的生活環境,所以,他們願意把孩子給他們帶走。

這就證明了這些教徒是打著「幫助孤兒」的幌子,實際是販賣兒童的人販子。如果全都是孤兒,那麼也許還好說,但2/3有父母,那是啥?這倒使俺想起了百多年前美國教會在中國辦的「育嬰堂」,後來育嬰堂事件導致中國人殺教士的「教案」,看來,這些教士「熱心幫助」是有歷史淵源的。
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 樓主| hellman 發表於 2010-2-5 22:34 | 只看該作者
本帖最後由 hellman 於 2010-2-5 23:37 編輯
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大概你看所有基督徒,不分宗派,都是一樣的。就如外國人看東方人,都是一個面孔。
gyl 發表於 2010-2-5 11:01


絕對是這樣.基督徒們都反對別的教會,都信耶穌,都認為自己才是唯一真正的教會.......
..只有你們自己才能分辨你們自己比別人高明多少.即使耶穌再來也很難分辨誰是誰
非. 外人看來都一樣.
看中國人,黑人白人都一樣是最沒有種族歧視的健康思維.
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