抓緊什麼？

英國曾有父子兩人，皆是著名的無神論者，寫了很多書，專門攻擊基督徒，頗能迎合當時一般人的心理。後來有一天，作父親的病重，心靈不安，感覺人生虛空，苦悶掙扎，無神的觀念有點搖動。將死之際，更覺惶恐，遂不敢確信無神了！

兒子看見父親對於無神信念已有搖動趨勢，恐怕影響父子名譽，於是大聲喊說，「父親！抓緊，不要搖動！」父親回答說，「兒呀！抓緊什麼？」

無神論者臨終之際，可以抓住什麼呢？什麼可以使他們得到安慰呢？他們既然沒有神，他們能抓什麼呢？結果自然是進入永遠的黑暗中，等候將來的審判。

好帖呵好帖。笑一笑，十年少啊！


頂上來。

原帖由 嘁哩喀喳 於 2007-9-18 02:25 發表
好帖呵好帖。笑一笑，十年少啊！


頂上來。

是啊，基督徒臨終時可以抓緊什麼呢？

老七，不知道你是否還記得cityhall發過什麼有宗教的人臨終更安詳之類的什麼耶魯大學的研究論文么？還真得感謝她，我去讀了那兩篇原文，不僅發現她說謊，也就此和作者有了交流。作者提到有宗教信仰的癌症終末期患者臨終的狀態，其中有一個常見現象就是極度的沮喪、抑鬱和無助失望的感覺，總在問為什麼上帝拋棄了他不再理睬他的呼救了。所以對這些病人，作者建議投入更intensive和針對性的臨終宗教關懷。當我問她那對無神論者怎麼辦呢？她笑道：無神論者沒有這個問題啊！

哇！這麼好的東西，你怎麼不寫出來？

原帖由 嘁哩喀喳 於 2007-9-18 03:15 發表
哇！這麼好的東西，你怎麼不寫出來？

手上這些東西太多太多，沒時間寫。我當初和cityhall切磋的時候，這就是我捏在手裡的證據，ICLL說讓我先等等，結果後來cityhall就溜了。就懶得寫了。

抓緊寫啊！

理解理解。還是事業/工作更重要。不過，這麼好的東西，有空的時候還是得寫一下。老百姓需要這樣的精神食糧啊。

原帖由 嘁哩喀喳 於 2007-9-18 03:55 發表
理解理解。還是事業/工作更重要。不過，這麼好的東西，有空的時候還是得寫一下。老百姓需要這樣的精神食糧啊。

sure, wish I had 3 heads and 6 arms

原帖由 在美一方 於 2007-9-17 10:33 發表
是啊，基督徒臨終時可以抓緊什麼呢？

老七，不知道你是否還記得cityhall發過什麼有宗教的人臨終更安詳之類的什麼耶魯大學的研究論文么？還真得感謝她，我去讀了那兩篇原文，不僅發現她說謊，也就此和作者 ...

老嘁彌留之際，想的是他的初戀情人。

原帖由 王劍 於 2007-9-18 04:08 發表
老嘁彌留之際，想的是他的初戀情人。

我上次彌留之際，想的是我還沒立遺囑呢！

上次彌留之際，還不夠大，還沒有初戀。好象啥也沒想，也不知道那是彌留之際了。

看看這個數學作家的自述，提到他的 uncle 死前變成無神, 他自己也從信到不知論者。

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZDBmYzcyZTgzNzNkYWM0MzY3YjE1ZThhZGJiMDRiZWE

"Uncle Fred was, in fact, the only close relative of mine to be religious in a busy, dedicated way — helping with church functions, lay reading, that sort of thing. (He was an uncle by marriage, not a Derbyshire by blood, so this can』t be construed as a genetic anomaly.) Then in his late 70s he got esophagal cancer, and spent several months dying slowly. It』s an awful way to go: slow starvation and slow choking, simultaneously. At some point he lost his lifelong faith, and died an atheist, railing at the folly of religion. I』m not sure how it happened. My father said that Uncle Fred was disappointed that the people from his church didn』t visit him much, but that doesn』t seem an adequate explanation; and on religious topics, my father, an angry and militant atheist, was not a very objective reporter."

不錯。

aawang 同學的故事沒有來源。考慮到基督徒們撒謊的習慣，我們不得不懷疑故事的真實性。

aawang 發的所有帖子中，以這個帖子最有價值。很有娛樂價值。

原帖由 嘁哩喀喳 於 2007-9-18 07:34 發表
aawang 發的所有帖子中，以這個帖子最有價值。很有娛樂價值。

還產生了神啟大洪水呢！

人之將死～抓一根稻草吧。

上次生死之際，<當年偷渡去香港>想的是不自由，莫寧死！

人之將死~抓根稻草吧。

喜歡他的這一段，剛好印證了這裡的爭論。

Then about seven or eight years ago I struck up a friendship with Steve Sailer and joined his 「Human Biodiversity」 e-list. Through that I got acquainted with a lot of academic biologists, geneticists, anthropologists, and the like. I couldn』t follow much of what they were talking about at first, but I eventually got up to speed, at least enough so to be aware of the momentous discoveries of the past 50 years, and what they say, or suggest, about the human condition.

I can report that the Creationists are absolutely correct to hate and fear modern biology. Learning this stuff works against your faith. To take a single point at random: The idea that we are made in God』s image implies we are a finished product. We are not, though. It is now indisputable that natural selection has been going on not just through human prehistory, but through recorded history too, and is still going on today, and will go on into the future, presumably to speciation, either natural or artificial. So which human being was made in God』s image: the one of 100,000 years ago? 10,000 years ago? 1,000 years ago? The one of today? The species that will descend from us? All of those future post-human species, or just some of them? And so on. The genomes are all different. They are not the same creature. And if they are all made in God』s image somehow, then presumably so are all the other species, and there』s nothing special about us at all.