國軍為何而戰

http://youtube.com/watch?v=LzRUwz4Z8Fc

不知此所謂的國軍到底是指何國軍。如果是如今島上絕大多數政客用作遮羞布的當年的中華民國的國軍，那麼毫無疑問其當為中國的國家統一而戰或不戰；如果是指不幸正在被逐步改造成子虛烏有的「台灣國」的所謂「國軍」的話，那麼那些兵哥們要想不發生思想和精神分裂都難——本就子虛烏有，卻得為那縹緲的「台灣國」而戰，豈有不發瘋之理。

[QUOTE=YuLG]不知此所謂的國軍到底是指何國軍。如果是如今島上絕大多數政客用作遮羞布的當年的中華民國的國軍，那麼毫無疑問其當為中國的國家統一而戰或不戰；如果是指不幸正在被逐步改造成子虛烏有的「台灣國」的所謂「國軍」的...[/QUOTE]

i was a member of that army, i was a citizen of that country. may i ask how much you know about taiwan? have you lived there for a period of time so you can call yourself an "expert" to have such an ignorant opinion.
i'm not going to speak for the entire military force since i'm not an expert in that field, but i can surely speak for myself. this is waht i would fight for:freedom(regardless of what "country"), democracy, right to vote,right to survive. and that's the basis of taiwan and china should become one great nation!!!!!

china should become one great nation.

[QUOTE=zqsunzqsun]china should become one great nation.[/QUOTE]

with free election and abundnat civil services yes, otherwise no thanks!

"with free election and abundnat civil services yes".

Chinese democracy is different from Taiwan and is better. Just see Taiwan demoncracy, that is NOT demoncracy.
Chinese demoncracy is different from US and is better too. Different people has different point of view. That is it.

[QUOTE=zqsunzqsun]"with free election and abundnat civil services yes".

Chinese democracy is different fr...[/QUOTE]

please enlighten me of what chinese democracy is and how it's better. for i've lived in taiwan for more than 20 years, i think i know what kind of domocracy taiwan has. it's a system that's similar to all of the democratic countries, if you can deny that, then you're right about chinese democracy being different. all i know is people from china are fleeing the country by the boat loads and working illegaly all over the world, I've seen thousands of them in the U.S. and as well some in Taiwan, I don't blame the people, they are the victims of the "better chinese democracy" that you have so faithfully declared better than any other democracy which i'm still waiting for the facts and numbers to support your claim.

China has the most population in the world. something is not problem, but in China, that maybe big problem. as you said, "people from china are fleeing the country by the boat loads and working illegaly all over the world, I've seen thousands of them in the U.S. and as well some in Taiwan, ...", but that is NOT matter of democracy issue.
What I see is: if the mainland of China follow Taiwan or US democracy, the situation will be even worse. Any party in Taiwan lead China, will be like current status in Taiwan. I can't see what the Taiwan democracy good.
Corruption in Taiwan is even related to "president", but the "president" is still in power, the whole world knows that. Can you ask CHEN-SHUI-BIAN give up "president" position? Is that "demoncracy" should be? In fact, you know ton's of similar facts. If you don't see that, maybe you don't live in the globe.
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http://club.backchina.com/main/showthread.php?t=387640

http://club.backchina.com/main/showthread.php?t=387641

[QUOTE=zqsunzqsun]http://club.backchina.com/main/showthread.php?t=387641[/QUOTE]

thank you for all the facts, dirty politicians are rampant all over the world, human greed is one by product of all systems, i believe it happens in china also. i think you have missed what we are debating about. "democracy' is what we are talking about. the gcd had more than half a century to solve the problem but failed miserably. the reason is very obvious, the gcd shut its door to the rest of the world for almost 40 years. and during this period carried out a string of horrible policies and so call movements such as great leap forward and cultural revolutions, the list goes on..... that hindered the progress of the country. and who is to blame? not taiwan's president is it? i'd rather see dirty politicians getting caught once in a while and still have my say of who is the leader to be of my government than not having the right to vote and live in a system with limited democracy.

i am a chinese from taiwan, i enjoyed freedom and democracy since the day i was born, and i believe in china should be one nation. i'm sure you love china with feverish enthusiasm, but before it changes for the better i would be reluctant to say china is my counrty. now you know it is GCD that i have a bone to pick!!!

"thank you for all the facts, dirty politicians are rampant all over the world, human greed is one by product of all systems, i believe it happens in china also. i think you have missed what we are debating about. "democracy' is what we are talking about. the gcd had more than half a century to solve the problem but failed miserably. the reason is very obvious, the gcd shut its door to the rest of the world for almost 40 years. and during this period carried out a string of horrible policies and so call movements such as great leap forward and cultural revolutions, the list goes on..... that hindered the progress of the country. and who is to blame? not taiwan's president is it? i'd rather see dirty politicians getting caught once in a while and still have my say of who is the leader to be of my government than not having the right to vote and live in a system with limited democracy. "
in China, that is past. GCD made a lot of mistakes, and GCD knows it, and try to correct that mistakes. right now, the party lead the whole country, and China is becoming stronger and stronger. It is a good party, isn't it? within the past 20 years, the whole world see the fact.

"i am a chinese from taiwan, i enjoyed freedom and democracy since the day i was born, and i believe in china should be one nation. i'm sure you love china with feverish enthusiasm, but before it changes for the better i would be reluctant to say china is my counrty. now you know it is GCD that i have a bone to pick!!!"
Please don't trust some news media, you can directly go to China, and study it more details, you will know its democracy. Yes, that kind of democracy is so different from western and also differernt from Taiwan. but I think that maybe suitable for current status of China. and GCD keeps improving its political policy. Can any Taiwan party do that? "Green", or "Blue", I can't see it.they just keeps chaseing power year by year while saying they are democracy.
I want to say, China right now is not perfect, GCD is not perfect, there are a lot of problem to solve. but China will be better, China is a greate country. Taiwan is a province of China for ever.

I DON'T THINK THIS CONVERSATION IS GOING ANYWHERE, GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR "CHINA". AND ON THE SAME TOKEN PLEASE ALSO VISIT TAIWAN AND YOU'LL KNOW HOW TWISTED YOUR VIEW IS ON TAIWAN. ANYWAY I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO BOTHER TO CHANGE YOUR VIEW. I RESPECT YOUR POINT OF VIEW AND DEBATE WITH A CIVILAZED MANNER EVEN THOUGH WE ALMOST TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH EACH OTHER. ONE THING IS VERY OBVIOUS:CHINA IS FOLLOWING THE FOOTSTEP OF THE WEST, WE'LL PROBABLY SEE A REAL DEMOCRACY IN FIFTEEN YEARS WHICH IS A GOOD THING, BY THEN IT WILL PROVE MY POINT, LET'S WAIT AND SEE!!!!

裝什麼大瓣蒜呀!
還是好好說自己的母語吧!
蹩腳的表演,假裝不會說國語嗎?這些東西是改變不了自己的本質的
拿個文明棍,還真把自己當老外!
那個陪她說英文的朋友,你寫中文她因該看的懂得!

奇怪的是,有些台灣省的說什麼要讓小孩從小說台語(閩南方言)還找不到環境,
好了啦,
去大陸啦!那裡說這種方言的比台灣多多了!
還真是有病!假裝不是中國人!
還是看看護照上的國家名稱吧!一個括弧台灣!
不能代表中國國民革命軍是為了分裂而戰的!