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白宮請願乃當代華人最了不起的壯舉

作者:fighter8  於 2015-2-28 08:21 發表於 最熱鬧的華人社交網路--貝殼村

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關鍵詞:梁警官

這兩天看到不少人冒出來攻擊白宮請願活動,從什麼有干預司法獨立之嫌到有什麼語法
錯誤。這些人完全是按照中國式思維方式理解美國,對美國民主自由幾如盲人摸象,愚
昧而不自知。

第一,這種民間簽名請願活動本來就是草根運動,又不是什麼司法訴訟,有專門的規章
條款可循,違反則有後果。如果民眾請願是白宮無權做到的,白宮直接否定就是了。民
眾沒有任何責任後果或者消極影響。更不要說什麼語法拼寫錯誤了。本來就是草根運動
,沒有誰規定只有專業水平的民眾才能夠請願。這個請願恰恰因為這些瑕疵顯示出了我
們訴求的草根性。草根運動就是民主社會最根本的力量。

第二,所謂行政不能干涉司法,聯邦不能干涉地方,只是政府官方的職責,因為只有政
府行政機構才有所謂干預的權力,而老百姓根本就沒有這樣的權力,所以根本就不存在
民眾是否「干預」司法獨立一說。作為民主自由的人民,We the people可以請願要求
政府做任何事,做得到做不到是政府決定政府的責任。一旦人民認為政府不能夠為大多
數的人民服務反而成了壓迫工具了,甚至可以武裝暴力推翻政府。

我前幾天建議修改這個請願,僅僅是因為如果提出政府更能夠做到的事,給他們出的難
題越大。現在便宜他們了點罷了。

都是其實我的建議都不需要,要的就是人多勢眾,顯示我們華人的consensus,而形成
輿論攻勢。這個目的已經不僅達到了,而且力量之大出乎我的意料。這是當代華人最了
不起的壯舉!

為什麼這個白宮請願乃當代華人最了不起的壯舉?

這個請願在短短几天之內就達到了十萬,這就是在最擅長民眾集體行動的西方社會裡都
是極其罕見的。這也是華人社會從來沒有過的。堪稱為當代華人最了不起的壯舉。這個
壯舉的重要在於什麼呢?

首先,證明了原來華人也有動員能力,發起集體行為的能力,也就是西人常說的 mobility 的能力
,而且能夠在最短的時間裡bobilize來達到一個目標。

其次,證明了華人也可以迅速達成一個consensus,共識,這給了平時間西人對華人一
盤散沙的了解一個surprise,使得他們不得不對華人刮目相看。

再次,證明了華人也有保護自己利益的勇氣,同樣,這使平時把華人當作懦弱可欺
expendable 的各個族裔也耳目一新。

以上這所有證明的,就是在民主社會最必要的力量的元素:團結,心齊,行動。所有其
他人種的成功,無不是因為具有這樣的素質,通過同樣的努力達到的。



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回復 fighter8 2015-2-28 08:26
而且我們的壯舉立刻立竿見影,得到了主流社會的注意,產生了很大的影響,給了我們
的對立面很大的壓力。他們的激情已經在退潮了。

首先,美國最高大上的媒體紐約時報率先報道我們的請願以及遊行示威等等籌備計劃。
得知華人這樣齊心合力的反抗本來就是極大壓力。當時評論中就有黑人跟華人試圖溝通
修好。

然後今天,赫芬頓郵報這個黑人最大的傳聲筒報企圖反攻,發表一華人的文章說華人不
該集會抗議。從下面的評論來看,只有60個評論,大多數黑人都不響了。剩下這幾個有
的根本不打算講道理。

但是,整個評論被我們華人佔據了道德制高點。似乎我們的華人精英都傾巢出動了,呵
呵。有幾個評論非常霸氣,非常專業。到後來黑人都偃旗息鼓了。我為我們華人驕傲!
我們的成功已經在望!
回復 來美六十年 2015-2-28 08:31
繼續努力
回復 Cannaa 2015-2-28 09:07
估計這次簡訊WeChat的功勞不小
回復 fighter8 2015-2-28 09:43
來美六十年: 繼續努力
讓我們大家繼續努力。世界上沒有青天大老爺,救世主就是我們自己。團結鬥爭是唯一的出路。
回復 fighter8 2015-2-28 09:43
Cannaa: 估計這次簡訊WeChat的功勞不小
對,據說微信上風一樣風傳。
回復 fighter8 2015-2-28 10:03
以黑人之矛,攻黑人之盾,無往而不勝

這是我的鬥爭經驗給大家分享。在網路上,每當華人說為什麼那些殺黑人的白人警察不被起訴,就華人被起訴了的時候,黑人最常用的爭論就是,白人警察 get off,不等於亞裔警察就該get off,犯罪就是犯罪,該怎麼依法查處就怎麼做。這樣的時候最好的反擊辦法就是以黑人之矛,攻黑人之盾,以他們對白人種族歧視他們的抗議的理由來作為我們抗議他們的理由,證明我們的抗議跟他們的抗議一樣合情合理。

這就是我昨天在赫芬頓郵報上評論時做的。即使是最死硬的黑人都沒有反駁我。因為反駁我,就是反駁他們自己。我將我的論點抄錄在此,供大家網路鬥爭參考:
回復 mongoes 2015-2-28 10:06
團結就是力量!
回復 fighter8 2015-2-28 10:06
In the Chinese community, I am probably the staunchest supporter for the Black people』s struggling for justice, because I myself am the same kind of victim of racism in criminal justice like the Black people. Now I believe Liang』s case is a trap that would hurt both the Chinese and African American communities. First, I do understand the anger that the Black community has over Gurley』s death, and the Chinese community feels so sorry. But I also think the Chinese community』s anger of being scapegoated because of our race is legitimate.

In Black people』s fight for justice, what they argue often is not whether there is a wrong or not in a particular case, but whether this case is equally treated like other similar cases before the law. So it goes like: Black people are X times more likely to be sentenced to death or receive harsher sentence, or stopped by police, etc. because of their race. The logic here is called 「similarly situated, similarly treated」, or equality, a basic legal principle.

Now the Chinese think in the same way. Regardless of the merits of Officer Liang』s case, is he being treated like those other officers in the similar cases or even worse cases? Obviously not. If the White officers who committed much more egregious intended killings like in Garner』s case get life time in prison sentence, then we would view the a manslaughter conviction of Liang』s unintended accidental killing as justifiable. If the White officer who accidentally shot an unarmed civilian dead when patrolling a NY』s housing project in 2004 got indicted, then we would view the indictment of Liang as justified. This is the most similar case to that of Liang. But no, they are never indicted. So Liang is the only one singled out. Except that he is Asian, what else can be the reason? He is made a scapegoat for those officers because he is Asian. This is not law, but racism in criminal justice.

So here the Chinese got a same cause like the Black people.
回復 fighter8 2015-2-28 10:15
我當時還有一句話寫好了都沒有發出來,準備如果有人反駁我的話就發出來,結果沒人反駁。這句話是:What if a White judge tells you that that White guy got 2 years sentence doesn't mean you should not get 5 years' sentence, otherwise every body would disrespect the law?
回復 fighter8 2015-2-28 10:21
下面我又發了一貼來進一步探討這點:

Many people say that one should be held criminally accountable for even an accidentally killing, I totally agree, on condition that it is not for the Asians only. But the reality appears that when Asians fall victim of accidental killing, no one is criminally responsible, but when it』s the other way around, like Liang, Asians would get double punishment. NYPD White Officer Richard S. Neri accidentally fired and killed Timothy Stansbury when patrolling a housing project, but did not get indicted. Here in Toronto, a White police officer violated the traffic rule and accidentally killed a Chinese elderly woman by his cruiser car on the sidewalk, he only paid a $400 fine to the Chinese family. Also here in Toronto, a White young man killed a Chinese woman pedestrian when racing on his bike on side walk, police called it an accident, nothing happened to him. Another White man also killed a Japanese man when biking on a side walk here in Toronto, and only paid a small fine.
回復 fighter8 2015-2-28 10:28
還有,黑人緊緊抓住梁警官事後的表現做文章,故意揣著明白裝糊塗地說梁怎麼text他
的工會,不顧格里死活不救助。這已經有不少華人在努力澄清事實,就是梁警官兩個人
最開始那幾分鐘根本沒有意識到子彈打著了人。大家請繼續努力澄清。

我補充一點,就是邏輯上樑警官也不可能明知有人被打中而不管。如下:

Many people fault Liang for not immediately calling for 911 and attending
first aid to Gurley. ( It was a misinformation that he texted his union rep)
. But both Liang and his partner officer testified that they did not realize
someone got shot by Liang』s bullet in the first few minutes. I somehow
believe Liang did not deliberately fail to come to Gurley』s aid. Had he
knew that someone got shot by him, saving the person』s life would have been
much more important than the question of whether to report the discharge of
his gun to him for saving his fate, because if someone got shot by him,
whether he reported the gun discharge or not, it would be known by his
superior anyway, and he would be in a much bigger trouble than losing his
job. So he could not have chosen to ignore the dying Gurley. Liang』s fault
is that he didn』t want to report his accidental discharge, but does that
constitute a crime? I don't know the law about that. But charging him
manslaughter is likely overblown.
回復 Cannaa 2015-2-28 11:12
fighter8: 對,據說微信上風一樣風傳。
記得藍風箏里右派是怎麼劃分的嗎?關鍵時刻上廁所,人在場都躲不過,人不在場就更不用說了。
回復 精彩 2015-2-28 12:39
老生常問(或「明知故問」):為什麼做個華人是那麼的心累呢?!   
回復 fighter8 2015-2-28 12:58
Cannaa: 記得藍風箏里右派是怎麼劃分的嗎?關鍵時刻上廁所,人在場都躲不過,人不在場就更不用說了。
好像還記得那個故事。這些黑人現在就是撿我們華人軟柿子捏。
回復 fighter8 2015-2-28 12:59
精彩: 老生常問(或「明知故問」):為什麼做個華人是那麼的心累呢?!    
命運。既然是命運,就只好迎戰。
回復 fighter8 2015-2-28 13:03
mongoes: 團結就是力量!
團結鬥爭是唯一的鬥爭方法。
回復 whyuask 2015-2-28 15:20
fighter8: 命運。既然是命運,就只好迎戰。
且不論觀點,先對你的態度表示佩服
回復 mayimayi 2015-2-28 21:51
鼓掌
回復 Cannaa 2015-3-1 01:07
fighter8: 還有,黑人緊緊抓住梁警官事後的表現做文章,故意揣著明白裝糊塗地說梁怎麼text他
的工會,不顧格里死活不救助。這已經有不少華人在努力澄清事實,就是梁警官兩
美國媒體把華人往負面解讀成習慣了,其實不管梁警官說什麼都會被認為不對,除非不說話。
回復 fighter8 2015-3-1 02:02
有的華人政客法律專家們市議員紛紛發表對白宮請願的看法說是「簽名十萬起訴將被撤回」無法律依據。可是向白宮請願根本不需要法律依據,完全可以根據一種信念和願望!你們是否聽說過美國人向白宮請願要通緝聖誕老人?還有美國人請願要趕走加拿大歌手 Justine Beiber?還有要大麻合法化?We, the people,我們的願望就是形成法律的基礎!只要我們的行為不觸犯法律,我們有自由表達我們的任何願望。這才是美國的自由民主。更不要說,大多數人都知道「簽名十萬起訴將被撤回」是不可能的,但是仍然簽名了,比如我。不是為了撤回,而是為的表達自己的意願。
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