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山中對話第二集,對話電腦專家snortbsd

作者:此山中  於 2011-3-30 08:19 發表於 最熱鬧的華人社交網路--貝殼村

通用分類:村內互動|已有35評論

哇了個咔咔,俺總算又找著一個訪談對象啦,有請村裡著名的電腦專家,snortbsd吧!

BL_518: 不斷推陳出新,才有看頭~~~

此山中: 好哇,謝王母娘娘鼓勵哇!歡迎snort的朋友們多多的爆料哇,另外俺的英文不好,有沒有誰給snort當翻譯哇?

 

snortbsd: there are software that you can hide your real ip address and rotate/change your displayed ip addresses in every few minutes. those online hired guns use that make comments and prop up their existence, it could be microsoft based or unix based, free version or pro version... of course pro version would have much more features, i went through some comments and found out that some posters use this kind of software. some of comments are certainly made by the same person, but with a lot of ip addresses from different regions..

 

路人豬oneweek: 五毛同學,是誰、 在那裡? 俺也要去圍觀, 學習一下!

正義的trunkzhao: 不做虧心事,不怕鬼叫門。你怕什麼?

路人豬oneweek: 不是害怕什麼。 俺是要向五毛同學學習。

 

snortbsd: one penny 同學, if you ask nicely, i might give you the sanctification, even more, i might give the tips how to spot them. with you your attitude, my advice? go work with your brain...

 

此山中: 哇咔咔,俺態度很好,你就當俺是個壞蛋,讓豬圍觀一下俺吧,把俺的ip告訴大家吧,俺覺得有可能是他們用不同的電腦發言,比如說俺用iphone, ipad, 和幾台電腦上倍可親,ip地址當然不同了。俺也不喜歡有些馬甲的發言,所以snortbsd要是能查出俺的ip,也震懾他們一下看看俺在哪兒發的這條留言哇?

此山中又用iphone發了一條: and what about this one?

 

 

snortbsd: well, just wondering how many "ma ja" do you have???

此山中: 俺沒有馬甲哇,像俺這麼牛,要馬甲幹什麼,你能看到俺在哪兒發的這條么?俺沒有用什麼藏ip的東東,要不你只要告訴俺俺的ip就行了 

 

snortbsd: hmmm, still have problem to read english?

此山中: 可能你誤會俺了,你的英文俺是能看懂的,只是上次不明白你為什麼說俺是一分。好啦,別跑題啦,告訴俺的ip吧!

 

此山中: 嘿嘿,再給你提示一下,俺這條英文的是從iphone上發的,ip應該和那一條不一樣的,看看你能不能告訴俺iphone的ip是神馬?俺書念的少,還不知道哪!

 

snortbsd: did you really 能看懂英文??? then read again!!!

此山中: 不要生氣,查不出來就算了嘛,專家也經常有失手的時候哇,別hack俺的電腦哇!

 

snortbsd: my advice? read my post again! btw, i don't know what that hack俺的電腦 means and i am not interested in knowing that either. i am always trying to walk on the side of laws..

 

此山中: 傷腦筋哇,俺又看了一遍你的帖子,你不是說你能看到許多人的ip嗎?是不是呀?不要害怕,俺不會打小報告滴,讓俺們山中對話對話一下您老人家吧?您也算村中的極品了哇 

snortbsd: guess i was wasting my time on you... why should i satisfy you for such dumb request? well, give that back to you: 您也算村中的極品了!!!

 

此山中: 傷腦筋哇,你說你能查到大家的ip,俺自告奮勇出來讓你給大家做實驗,不是讓你對俺又抓又撓滴呀,俺又不是逗貓貓玩!成熟一點好不好?俺又不是和小女生吵架!好吧,您就告訴大家你到底能不能查到大家的ip,不用說這麼一大坨,一個字就行!

 

Snort被俺逼得無奈終於出手了。。。

 

snortbsd: https://big5.backchina.com/chineseblog/201103/user-207787-message-107274-page-1.html

 

let's see a classical case here:
http://news.backchina.com/comments-134332-gb2312.html

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well, in this case, he/she is using such software to make a bunch of comments, but make those comments look like from different people from different regions.

[quote]"紅海洋"!  似曾相識! 情何以堪! 最後的"瘋狂"???!!! 可惜了娃娃!!![/quote]

with this comment, you know he/she is hanging around 貝殼村 with a "ma ja", probably a nice, friendly "ma ja"...

you can only find out his/her real ip address if you have the access to the server, but again, that would involve a matter of legality if you have no legal rights to do so...


此山中: 好文哇,snort, 俺收藏了。哇了個咔咔,俺還真以為你老人家是專家,能看到大家的ip哪,鬧了半天是看新聞啊。這個技術含量也太低了。不過嘛,您老人家能從這些觀點相似,語氣相似的留言里發現他們是同一個人說的,這個技術含量就高了。想不到您老人家認識的漢字這麼哇,哈哈哈,得管您叫漢專家啦您老人家的英文真的是很地道哇,怎麼學的呀?

 

Snort默默滴把俺的留言刪掉了。

 

此山中:哇咔咔,給俺的留言刪掉啦哇,沒關係,SNORT呀,俺現在知道您是語言分析的專家,能不能給俺分析一下下面這兩段話是不是一個人說的呀?

 

1. i guess those with 「impeccable" personalities start showing their true natures by attacking people whose opinions different from theirs openly online, via vicious lies and false accusations.

 

2. [quote]"紅海洋"!  似曾相識! 情何以堪! 最後的"瘋狂"???!!! 可惜了娃娃!!![/quote], with this comment, you know he/she is hanging around 貝殼村 with a "ma ja", probably a nice, friendly "ma ja"...

 

 

哇咔咔,這第一段是俺從您的博文里偷的,這第二段也是從你博文里偷的,可惜俺們書念的少,看不出來是一個人說的呀!

 

 

shaitthis: 哈哈 關注

此山中: 哇咔咔,太歡迎啦,暈弟哇,你是本村另一個著名電腦專家。您談談您可以查到大家的ip嗎?

shaitthis: 說句實話,我查不到大家的ip地址。哈哈 不過可能是我學藝不精,只是光靠貝殼村網頁我真的看不到別人的地址的。你要是學會了別忘了教我啊。哦,對了,網站管理員可以看到ip地址沒問題的。哈哈。他只是說的人們可以ip偽裝吧,哪個很容易的,確實有軟體可以偽裝ip的,好象他沒說自己能看到別人的ip。呵呵

此山中: 哇咔咔,看來加拿大英語和美國英語不太一樣哇,snort 說:i went through some comments and found out that some posters use this kind of software. some of comments are certainly made by the same person, but with a lot of ip addresses from different regions

 

snortbsd: that loser doesn't read english...

熱心的嘉賓John1400用狗翻譯了一下:我審閱有些評論並且發現了有些海報使用這種軟體。 一些評論一定做出由同一個人,但是用很多IP地址由不同(3-30 05:16) 回復

此山中: 明白了,謝謝John1400,哇了個咔咔,連海報都能黑哇,SNORT俺太佩服你啦,哇咔咔,您是漢字專家啦,以後還是說中文吧,要不大家總是誤解你哇

此山中繼續威脅利誘暈弟: 哇咔咔,你是不是在暗示snortbsd是網管哇?你上次訪談junkie時騙走的200金幣,還100個就行了。

shaitthis: 哦 哈哈 沒看仔細。看來他能看到ip啊。你到底給了沒有啊?要是給了我就還給你。

此山中打哈哈: 好吧,就算是給轉丟了吧,但是某年某月某日,你拿了俺一個100大洋的紅包,這事有吧?

shaitthis繼續跑題: 哈哈 看來你轉了。暈倒。你skype上沒轉的。我現在給你去轉分。哈哈 給你轉了350分。收到沒?

此山中:哇了個咔咔,只收到280金幣,以後咱倆就互相是馬甲了啊。謝謝嘉賓暈弟!

哇咔咔,俺竟然榮幸的請到了本村的老大,大哥大,老A,大家熱烈鼓掌!!

 

此山中:老A哇,您談談村民們能不能看到ip地址哇?

A:不可能,連網管也不可能看到

此山中:snort呀,snort? 哪裡去了?

 

Snort再次默默的刪掉了俺的跟帖。

 

好吧,既然snort被老A嚇跑了,俺也只好收攤啦。Snort哇,如果你還有話說,跟帖吧。

 

山中對話,對話電腦專家snort,對話成功!謝謝大家!

 

 

 

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回復 在美一方 2011-3-30 08:33
marnifan: 偶想請教哪個電腦專家,告訴雨林哪裡download這個軟體,那雨林姐就又能上來了
不用專家,你搜一下ip proxy,多得很,也可以買軟體
回復 BL_518 2011-3-30 08:49
marnifan: 偶想請教哪個電腦專家,告訴雨林哪裡download這個軟體,那雨林姐就又能上來了
雨林咋了~~~
回復 BL_518 2011-3-30 08:52
marnifan: ip被封了
為啥呀~~~
回復 BL_518 2011-3-30 09:00
marnifan: 得罪了網管唄
問題有那麼嚴重嗎~~~~
回復 BL_518 2011-3-30 09:05
支持貝殼村的焦點訪談~~~山中弟要出名啦~~~~
回復 oneweek 2011-3-30 09:44
怎麼發重複了?
回復 解濱 2011-3-30 10:41
俺去那電腦專家的帖子上跟了一貼,內容如下: Man, you are making whole bunch of b-sh-t here.  Are you talking about IP spoofing?  'you can only find out his/her real ip address if you have the access to the server'? - who said that? No server can find the 'real' IP from the spoofed IP, only a stateful inspection firewall or intrusion prevention system (IPS) does it by examining the header of the packet (some routers can do this as well).  A firewall can be configured to deny/reject a spoofed IP.  In today's most cases, firewalls are configured to deny/reject spoofed IPs for the purpose of preventing simple distributed denial of service (DoS) attacks and man-in-the-middle attacks.   

If someone really wants to use other IPs to post something on a web server that is behind a firewall, the best/easiest approach is to use a proxy.  However, changing proxy server on a web browser would require the person to do it manually.  Another problem: most free proxy servers can only be used for browsing instead of posting - this is simply due to liability concern, not technical difficulty.   No one can find so many Proxy servers that allow posting in such short period of time.

In conclusion: this web site is more likely protected by a firewall and/or IPS.  IP spoofing will not work (unless you have tried it - please provide results).  Using a proxy can be very difficult because most public proxy servers don't allow posting. The case you described is totally false!
回復 xoyuanfen 2011-3-30 10:56
   山中小弟, 這麼大牌的也被你採訪到了。 鼓勵, 鼓掌!
回復 BL_518 2011-3-30 11:18
marnifan: 接個要問網管,哈哈,他說嚴重就嚴重嘛
那是~~~~
回復 yulinw 2011-3-30 11:32
marnifan: 偶想請教哪個電腦專家,告訴雨林哪裡download這個軟體,那雨林姐就又能上來了
   嘿嘿~~最好的方法是解禁啊~~
回復 yulinw 2011-3-30 11:33
   大牌訪大牌啊~~最好的方法是自由說話~~
回復 BL_518 2011-3-30 12:02
yulinw:    嘿嘿~~最好的方法是解禁啊~~
你被軟禁了~~姐姐都沒發現~~~~
回復 yulinw 2011-3-30 12:10
marnifan: 哈哈,胡汗三又回來啦
     爽~~
回復 yulinw 2011-3-30 12:13
BL_518: 你被軟禁了~~姐姐都沒發現~~~~
     沒事兒,看正義大片去了~~
回復 BL_518 2011-3-30 12:16
yulinw:       沒事兒,看正義大片去了~~
那就好~~咋看上癮了,白天晚上連軸轉啊~~~~
回復 yulinw 2011-3-30 12:26
BL_518: 那就好~~咋看上癮了,白天晚上連軸轉啊~~~~
   盡量改著呢~~
回復 BL_518 2011-3-30 12:28
yulinw:    盡量改著呢~~
悠著點哈~~~~~
回復 此山中 2011-3-30 12:30
在美一方: 不用專家,你搜一下ip proxy,多得很,也可以買軟體
   天哪,老A說村裡禁止黑客的討論哇,俺把所有黑客都換成專家才通過審查啦。

哇咔咔,想起來以前俺也hack過好多台電腦哪,哪天再寫篇博客吹吹
回復 此山中 2011-3-30 12:32
BL_518: 支持貝殼村的焦點訪談~~~山中弟要出名啦~~~~
   哇咔咔,俺是冒死辦這個談話節目哇, 其實也沒那麼嚴重,嘿嘿,臉皮夠厚就可以啦
回復 此山中 2011-3-30 12:34
oneweek: 怎麼發重複了?
   給刪除了,因為文章有涉嫌討論黑客的嫌疑,廣告客戶是不喜歡的,這個是行規,所以俺把原來有黑客的地方都改成專家啦
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