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也談利比亞干涉與誅獨夫 (ZT)

作者:路不平  於 2011-3-29 00:33 發表於 最熱鬧的華人社交網路--貝殼村

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也談利比亞干涉與誅獨夫

 

——評蘭冠雲《卡扎菲,人人得而誅之》

 

美國政府對於簡單的幹掉卡扎菲可能導致的麻煩,以及班加西那些人究竟是怎麼回事,看法還是老辣的,並無一般評論者的天真。法國政府的輕率也是有特殊緣由的,並不是不知道自己輕率,所以後面的立場也在逐漸變化。卡扎菲這個人是比較討厭,但是沒有這個狂人就沒有利比亞國家,而只能剩下一些內戰不止的部落,何況他的有些政策也還是有其基層的堅定支持者的,把人盾完全當作人質太過武斷了吧,想在當前的利比亞搞漸進形式民主更只能是開玩笑。至於所謂「人人得而誅之」,還是問問利比亞人民比較妥當一些吧,畢竟尊重民意才是民主的實質。將心比心,無論中國領導人有多麼不堪,比如庚子年的慈禧,精神正常的華人也不會認為他們是所謂「人人得而誅之」者而應該熱烈歡迎八國聯軍入侵吧。美國內戰時北軍肆行殺掠,南方蓄奴不悛,要是國際社會也動輒來個「人人得而誅之」的干涉,美國人作何感想?國際社會對內戰國家的責任應該是調停維和與戰亂扶助,設立禁飛區在嚴峻形式下也算個辦法,雖然霸道昂貴了些,但無論如何絕沒有為了自家偏見喜好而圖省事亂拉偏架、濫用武力的道理。冠雲兄作一家之言,也無可厚非,但也要懂得尊重利比亞人民的尊嚴民意才是,至不濟也還是要站在美國人的立場上考慮一些可操作的現實因素吧。利比亞這渾水,如今的美國還趟的起嗎?伊拉克的油水美國可還沒怎麼撈著呢!

 

獨夫民賊,人人得而誅之,這種話有些傳統儒家常講,雖然出發點不錯,卻多少有些把問題簡單化了。其實即使獨夫民賊,也應該儘可能用禮法加以限制,限制不了也應耐心等待合適的機會以求內部政變解決,而不應該輕易大動干戈的鬧革命,關鍵還是在於應力避如太平天國戰爭那種令民眾遭受雙重痛苦卻又未必真能解決問題的天下大亂。孟子認為武王伐紂是以至仁伐至不仁,所以不相信血流漂杵的歷史記錄,就失之於天真了。孔子的眼光就遠大的多,所以一方面讚揚武王、批判殷紂,一方面又格外盛讚三分天下有其二而仍然服侍殷紂的文王以及諫止武王伐紂的伯夷、叔齊,就是看到了以破壞禮法來重建禮法的負面影響與有限意義。


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回復 snortbsd 2011-3-29 02:33
i think usa was dragged into this saga by europeans. americans are clearly reluctant partner for this event.

but gaddhafi is an easy target: he got almost no credible miltary; he got bad raps from africa (self-styled pan-afica king); from arabs (loud mouth attacking almost every arab country except egypt); staged terrorist attack against the west.

clearly post gaddhafi era would be chaotic for a while. the real question, how much will al qaeda gain strength during this period? don't forget, very large percentage of foreign fighters in iraq were from the east part of libya until gaddhafi brutally suppressed al qaeda activities in libya...
回復 ManCreatedGod 2011-3-29 02:39
回復 路不平 2011-3-29 02:55
snortbsd: i think usa was dragged into this saga by europeans. americans are clearly reluctant partner for this event.

but gaddhafi is an easy target: he got  ...
at least Obama is not that committal
回復 路不平 2011-3-29 02:58
ManCreatedGod: 好
回復 snortbsd 2011-3-29 03:19
路不平: at least Obama is not that committal
obama might have to,though now it is reluctant. new government has to include those tribes supporting gaddhafi, but what about those tribes supporting al qaeda? those supporting al qaeda in the east are most organized groups and at least for now operating under the banners of "freedom and democracy".

don't forget, most of now taliban fighters had history with the west in 1980s...
回復 路不平 2011-3-29 03:45
snortbsd: obama might have to,though now it is reluctant. new government has to include those tribes supporting gaddhafi, but what about those tribes supporting ...
after this bloodshed, it will be difficult to ask tribes to share one governmant peacefully
回復 snortbsd 2011-3-29 03:57
路不平: after this bloodshed, it will be difficult to ask tribes to share one governmant peacefully
in those tribal politics infested countries, once balance is broken among those tribes, it would take a while to find new balance point...

libya as country was a fruit of deceased colonialism...
回復 路不平 2011-3-29 20:00
snortbsd: in those tribal politics infested countries, once balance is broken among those tribes, it would take a while to find new balance point...

libya as c ...
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回復 xingzhanyang000 2011-4-25 04:54
中文網,怎麼貼子目前看到的都是英文,是不懂中文?他怎麼看懂中文文章的,是歧視中文,或歧視中國人,故意不給看?
在美國眼中,利比亞卡扎菲只不過是一個跳蚤,中國的執政者才是他最痛恨的,或第一痛恨的,為什麼不在中國設禁飛區,轟炸北京哪?像打伊拉克一樣,根本不用通過聯合國,不怕中國行使否決權。可見美國也是毫無原則,處理國際事物隨心所欲。
回復 路不平 2011-4-25 22:10
xingzhanyang000: 中文網,怎麼貼子目前看到的都是英文,是不懂中文?他怎麼看懂中文文章的,是歧視中文,或歧視中國人,故意不給看?
在美國眼中,利比亞卡扎菲只不過是一個跳蚤, ...
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