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馬大鬍子和掛他名字的主義（慎入, Chinglish）

作者：walkalongg 於 2012-3-2 13:03 發表於最熱鬧的華人社交網路--貝殼村

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那天收音機里說起罷工的事。老大問我，他們為什麼要罷工呢，弄得人人不方便。而且罷工還合法，拿著社會的資源，要脅民眾。這到底是什麼回事啊。我嘆道，說來話長啊。於是從馬克思說起，到近代工人運動，到共產主義運動，信口扯了大約半小時。

我以為近代工人運動和後來的人權運動都是我們今天享受的民主制度和普世價值得以成形的主要因素。所以沒把大鬍子說得極端，也沒把共啊資啊的說得那麼不堪。

我們聊過了大約一星期，逼迫再三，上８年級的老大寫下此文。我又在後邊把觀點補充了一些。我的英文就不用過獎了，給我時間改也好不到哪裡去，卻失了原汁原味。想了想是只對朋友開放，還是怎麼著，上回貼過一個沒頭沒腦的已經挨了幾塊磚了。就扔出來。誰愛砸誰砸。

就當教育孩子的一個案例看吧。

Journal Communism
                A while back my dad talked to me about Karmax's (<--is that how it is spelt?) ideas about communism, and about how bad capitalism is.
                First I will talk about his ideas against capitalism, for capitalism, there is one person or body of people that are extremely rich, that leaves a lot of the workers poor or lower class workers which is not good for the economy.
                Communism is where the community owns everything, which means that there is better public services, better railroads, busses, schools, hospitals, it also means that the government tries to keep everybody equal, and that leads to having an strange but balanced economy, that means that there is a strong government rule and it is really hard to keep the government body in check, that often leads to a government ruled by force, as is the Chinese government.
                However in Canada, we have a free country and we have a democracy, but it seems that our public system really needs work, because we have a free country, the union is able to do what they like, and it is really hard to fight with them because they can just go on strike and it is a lose and lose situation, therefore in some aspects, a communism is better for the public than a democracy.
                But in some cases, such as the freedom of people, it is restricted, such as the fact that the community (aka the government) owns everything, so then the government is all powerful and the community can suffer if the government goes wrong, and there is no force that can contradict the government.
                After all these facts, it seems that there are many differences between communism and democracy, each with their ups and downs, giving them both choices that the other counterpart cannot make.

看完了他寫的，我把想法再給他寫回去。真的是我寫得比他寫得還多。但我想他會讀，而且會接受一些東西。管他記得多少呢。關鍵是這種批判式的思維方式。現在看來我粗粗一寫，語言和內容的錯誤都太多了。我也不想改了，就這麼著貼出來招磚吧

The name is Karl Marx, a German Jew.

Your memory is relatively accurate, but there are a few points.

Capitalism looked really like a nightmare to Karl Marx. The riches are greedy and the poor are struggling hopelessly. The economy isn't functioning well because of the imbalance on the contribution of wealth. Human society isn't going anywhere under capitalism.

Karl was right. Wealth is power, and the power is always concentrated to a few out of the herd.

I don't really know, but I believe it is not Karl who invented the dream of Communism. My understanding is that he portraited capitalism, pretty accurately with his fancy formulas and blablabla that beyond my level of understanding even somebody bother the burden translated into Chinese--I never read it myself, his famous 「Capital」.

The world heard what Karl said. Some one tried to develop a new system based on his criticism—there comes Russia, China, Cuba…only Cuba is still, 「said」, hold these principles. China is currently ruled not by the principles, only the dominant party keep the name as Communism. Russia…only a few old, poor still remember, in their deepest memory, about the old, mighty and rusty system.

The system is a dream based on a dream.

If Capitalism is so evil, so full of problem, and the source is the individuals owns big wealth privately, so make the wealth own by the public. The public isn't greedy and the public must have a big picture, guess sees further too. So, people can plan everything ahead to avoid economy crisis, and every one get their fair share of the mutual product...sounds really promising.

One thing missed--human being is lazy and selfish animal that evoluted from the natural process that follows the natural law, competition.

The nature is fair, out of almost every single individual case ends up totally not fair.

The world is balanced, based on restless movement between numerous imbalances.

There is no way for a society that no body owns any thing—for example, underwear and socks. So if you own, the nature process of accumulation and concentration started until it reach a point that a few own the most and people owns nothing, well, here we get back to the capitalism again. Lazy and selfishness are human nature. No political system can change them. That is why worldwide movement of communism pretty much failed.

The capitalism world isn』t totally turns its blind eyes to Karl too.

Social fairness, as a serious issue, was raised, especially Union movement in the late 1900』s. Many strikes held almost every where. People demand higher pay, better working condition…all the good things that the owner of the businesses later realized is actually good for the business.

Ford, for example, famous for his greediness and selfishness, generously raise salary for his worker to the level that they can afford to buy a car they build from their own factory. Well, your worker could be your customer too, isn』t it? And when your worker can afford to buy your own car, their friends and neighbour who isn』t working in your factory may want to buy a car too, therefore create a huge market, and you can make more money…

And as the technology advanced, the workers found them have higher negotiation power over the business owners. The government find out that to let the rich few have too much influent in the political system is actually risky for everyone, so they pass laws to not allow single company control any industry, to bust competition…

Of course there are many unions around nowadays pushed the ball to another direction that makes most people sick, and obviously we can』t blame poor Karl for that.

Before we finish, Poor Karl, btw, is actually pretty poor. He has to ask money from his wealthy friend, or comrade, or tovarishch in Russian, a rich factory owner, Engels. I remember reading this when I was young, that Karl once wrote,」 Jenny (Karl』s beautiful wife) didn』t buy any cosmetic for months, and we can』t always have enough bread to complete a meal」…Engels, to my understanding, is the one responsible for pushing Karl』s research into a revolutionary movement. Yeah, he is the first communist, or Maxist.

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回復 JuneRipple 2012-3-2 13:13: sf~~~~

回復 ahsungzee 2012-3-2 13:43: 我的英文是ESL三月級水平，英文文章是百分百不懂的。這朵花是獻給你一片父母心的！

回復 Cateye 2012-3-2 14:16: your chinglish is very good.

回復 yulinw 2012-3-2 15:37: 佩服你~·俺不和孩子探討這方面的問題~~

回復 trunkzhao 2012-3-2 20:10: 這是個大話題，不是一兩句話能說清楚的。要想得出自己的觀點結論，還真是要好好地看上幾本書。如果不想，就簡單地借用妖魔化的結論，說不明真相的群眾受到了蒙蔽，選擇了錯誤的道路，才造成了人類的浩劫。
每個人都有自己的見解和選擇，上一次大選有幾個省還有馬克思主義黨參選，竟然還有萬把人把票給了他們。也許這些人都對歷史沒有什麼了解，不知道一旦他們上了台將會是怎樣。

回復 walkalongg 2012-3-2 21:20: JuneRipple: sf~~~~
嘿嘿，純表情回貼

回復 walkalongg 2012-3-2 21:23: ahsungzee: 我的英文是ESL三月級水平，英文文章是百分百不懂的。這朵花是獻給你一片父母心的！
謝謝！很抱歉在中文網站上貼英文。你是對的，就是想顯擺一下和兒子的交流。至於大鬍子，我不是專家，只是說說感覺而已。所以也沒動力把我們的東東翻成中文。

回復 walkalongg 2012-3-2 21:26: Cateye: your chinglish is very good.
哈哈哈，我這人皮厚，只要是回貼，都當好話聽。有興趣再調侃一下的，更是當大大的好話聽。

回復 walkalongg 2012-3-2 21:37: yulinw: 佩服你~·俺不和孩子探討這方面的問題~~
佩服啊。。。我們都是從小給染色幾十年。出來后又主動被動的洗腦十來年。政治理念都跟扎染的似的。

跟孩子說這個，該是爸爸的事。平時飯桌上大人討論什麼其實對孩子，尤其是男孩子影響很大。是聊減價信息職場衝突，還是時事政治種族衝突。而且父母的觀點是偏向明顯還是理性客觀，可能對孩子們產生影響呢。因為我知道孩子們在網上什麼都看，好象學校里也有時討論時事議題。爸爸該抓住機會給兒子交流的。導師，早開始作，還能多作幾年。

對男孩子，媽媽，作好一個溫柔的港灣其實也很重要的。

回復 walkalongg 2012-3-2 21:48: trunkzhao: 這是個大話題，不是一兩句話能說清楚的。要想得出自己的觀點結論，還真是要好好地看上幾本書。如果不想，就簡單地借用妖魔化的結論，說不明真相的群眾受到了蒙蔽 ...
同意。我們不是專家，就是草根而已。

人類社會制度不會一成不變的。二戰後的人們以為民主勝利了。還不是有麥卡錫？黑人在公車上還不是要給白人讓座？今天的民主都是前人爭取來的。樂觀一點看，明天的制度一定會比今天更民主更理性。不過是我們身在畫中，看不出來罷了。

民主制度不是一切都好，共產主義也不是完全的邪惡。我們又不是職業革命家，要戴著墨鏡忽悠人的。就是職業革命家，也不能螳臂擋車啊，只能順應時事才能推波助瀾么。

何況我等升斗小民。草根，就是從土壤里取有用的東西，自顧生長罷了。管他姓資姓共。時時抬頭看一眼，發聲表達一下觀點和關切，也就是了。

回復 Cateye 2012-3-2 22:13: walkalongg: 哈哈哈，我這人皮厚，只要是回貼，都當好話聽。有興趣再調侃一下的，更是當大大的好話聽。
沒錯，就是當好話說滴。那有道人家裡講主人壞話的。

回復 walkalongg 2012-3-2 22:21: Cateye: 沒錯，就是當好話說滴。那有道人家裡講主人壞話的。
是么？以前潛水時，我可是時不常就見到這個村子里有啊，挑著太陽旗的大槍上掛著兩隻雞的那種正義之師文明之師。

不過你這個我是真的開玩笑，不會不識好人心的。

回復 Cateye 2012-3-2 22:26: walkalongg: 是么？以前潛水時，我可是時不常就見到這個村子里有啊，挑著太陽旗的大槍上掛著兩隻雞的那種正義之師文明之師。

不過你這個我是真的開玩笑，不會不識好人 ...
要想出來混江湖，就要學會 ignore 某些人的某些話。挑著太陽旗掛兩隻雞，太形象了，你的中文也很好嘛。

回復 liuxiaoyu 2012-3-3 05:34: ahsungzee: 我的英文是ESL三月級水平，英文文章是百分百不懂的。這朵花是獻給你一片父母心的！
哈哈，同

回復嘻哈:) 2012-3-3 07:54: 你兒子好有思想和水平喲，至少比我高，更不用說你了。

學習了！很有意思。在中國每家馬恩毛的書都一摞一摞的吧？反正我是讀不下去的，如果像你這樣抽部分講解，還是願意讀的。你應該至少把重點翻成中文，使朋友們讀起來容易些。其實這也是不錯的討論題，我就想問：好像聽說希特勒納粹也推行或奉行社會主義或國家社會主義，與蘇俄和中國的社會主義不一樣？

呵呵，終於寫了篇英文文，滿足了太太的寫些英文文給兒子讀的要求？兒子都上8年級了？還當你小兄弟呢，早婚吧。

回復 walkalongg 2012-3-3 09:43: Cateye: 要想出來混江湖，就要學會 ignore 某些人的某些話。挑著太陽旗掛兩隻雞，太形象了，你的中文也很好嘛。
這個，一篇文章里得你先誇英文，再誇中文，真是，太，太過獎了。下回見面，怕口袋裡除了磚頭都沒別的可用了。

回復 walkalongg 2012-3-3 09:53: 嘻哈:): 你兒子好有思想和水平喲，至少比我高，更不用說你了。

學習了！很有意思。在中國每家馬恩毛的書都一摞一摞的吧？反正我是讀不下去的，如果像你這樣抽部分講解， ...
別別，別誇，一誇就膨脹。

我家裡，就帶來了幾本史記，通鑒之類的書。兩個大鬍子和一個沒鬍子的書本來就沒讀過，我也不知道我那些雜碎是怎麼七拼八湊來的。

納粹那個應該跟蘇俄的不一樣。雖然都是政黨獨裁和大政府，區別在於資產的公有制還是私有制。

跟女孩子說年齡不太好，我，應該至少比你大個5-6歲的樣子吧。我其實給兒子們寫了不少英文的東東。這一篇是例子。都是他們寫了我的回複比他們的原創還長。

回復 yulinw 2012-3-3 10:21: walkalongg: 佩服啊。。。我們都是從小給染色幾十年。出來后又主動被動的洗腦十來年。政治理念都跟扎染的似的。

跟孩子說這個，該是爸爸的事。平時飯桌上大人討論什麼 ...
，嗯，同意~~總怕自己的偏見影響了孩子，還好是女孩~~

回復 walkalongg 2012-3-3 10:41: yulinw: ，嗯，同意~~總怕自己的偏見影響了孩子，還好是女孩~~
是啊，從教育的角度講，大人腦子也不一定都清楚，看問題也不一定都全面。其實觀點對不對倒是並不太重要的。

回復 Cateye 2012-3-3 10:42: walkalongg: 這個，一篇文章里得你先誇英文，再誇中文，真是，太，太過獎了。下回見面，怕口袋裡除了磚頭都沒別的可用了。
我家不是燒磚的，我口袋裡沒磚頭，誰扔給我，我如數奉還，沒有存貨。

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