ZT-「假如中美開戰」專題討論：且看美國的憤青們都怎麼說？！

導讀：這是從美國某著名軍事網站上整理出美國網友關於「假如中美開戰」的專題討論和跟貼，且看美國的憤青都怎麼說吧！

　　China would win。 We wouldn』t use nukes and they have more people

　　中國會贏，我們不會使用核武器而他們有更多的人。

　　sorry buddy， but america is nuke happy and if any one f*cks with them， about 50 are headed in their direction

　　對不起，哥們，但美國是非常樂意使用核武器的，誰要敢招美國，就會有50顆彈頭對向他。

　　You are a f*cking dumbass。 China has been stealing our nuclear military secrets for years。 For all we know， they could sabotage our shit at the last minute。read and learn，dumbass

　　你是頭蠢驢，中國已經竊取我們的核技術很多年了，我們都知道，他們能在最後一分鐘破壞我們的裝備，多讀點書你這頭蠢驢。

　　Hey， buddy， truth is， WE WOULD WIN YOU *** ING COMMUNIST！！！！！！！ Yeah， China， even though they put all their resources into military， they would lose。 Our military is well treated and have more reason to fight other than for not being killed by government。 You suck you anti-American… Die。

　　嘿，哥們，事實是我們將會戰勝你這個傻#共產主義分子，是的，中國，就算它把所有的資源都運用到軍事上，他們還是會輸。我們的軍隊待遇更好而且我們有除了避免被本國政府殺掉以外其他的戰鬥動機。你這個傻#反美國分子，去死吧。

　　I』m very pro american。 I live in america… I even support the war in iraq (one of the few who apparently do)… thinking that my country would lose a war against a powerful country doesn』t make me a communist

　　我非常親美國，我生活在美國，我甚至支持美國在伊拉克的戰爭（很少公開支持這點的人之一）。考慮到我的國家會輸給一個強大的國家並不能把我變成一個共產主義分子。

　　China has more people and they are smarter。 China>USA

　　中國人更多而且他們更聰明。 中國》美國

　　Wouldnt it be who attacks first？Like imagine if the US dropped about 1500 BIG nukes at the same time China couldnt retialiate but that could go either way I guess

　　難道不取決於誰先攻擊誰嗎？想象如果美國給中國同時投1500顆核彈，中國根本不是有報復的機會，當然，反過來也一樣。

　　Communists can do anything when motivated。 War is a strong motivator for any country。 They could get us if it came down to it。 They have already begun to shift past industrialization。 Plus they have russia above them。 They could probabably get some technology om up there if they needed to om old soviet sympathizers

　　**可以通過鼓勵號召而做到任何事情。戰爭對任何國家都是最好的號召手段。如果他們這樣做的話那他們會打敗我們。他們已經開始轉換舊工業了，而且他們上面是俄羅斯，他們可能能從他們舊日的蘇聯的同情者那裡搞到一些技術。

　　China has more people。 But the US his superior military power (especially the navy)。 So the USA would kick china』s ass。

　　中國有更多的人口，但美國有更強大的軍事力量（特別是海軍）。所以美國可以擊敗中國。

　　technology can only do so much。 They would just out number us

　　技術的作用是有限的，他們還是會以數量壓倒我們。

　　We arent connected by land， and we have the greatest navy in the world。

　　我們兩國陸地不接壤，而且我們有世界上最好的海軍。

　　We have the power of jesus。

　　我們有上帝支持我們。

　　Communists have a great work force that could be used to outnumber our navy。 The greatest weakness of an army is its underestimating of others。 Should the ** make it to our soil we would loose

　　**有巨大的勞動大軍，他們可以從數量上壓倒我們的海軍。一支軍隊最致命的弱點就是低估對手，只有他們能登陸美國，我們就輸定了。

　　Doesn』t matter， once that war would start many countries would severe trade connections weakening both countries but since China is the only country in the world with a self sustaining economy， they』d hardly be affected。

　　其他都沒有關係，一旦戰爭爆發很多國家都會中斷和兩國的貿易往來，這對兩個國家都會有影響，但由於中國是世界上唯一一個能自我維持的經濟體系，他們不會被影響很大。

　　Self sustaining economy my ass。 Theres a resaon Japan and China have had tensions recently。 Its becuase they are figthting over who will get Russias oil。 They most definately dont have enough oil there to be self sufficent。Read， China imports oil。 Actually， they are the big reason prices are jumping so d**n much

　　狗屁自我維持經濟，中國和日本的關係最近為什麼那麼緊張呀？就是因為它們為了爭奪俄羅斯的石油，他們絕對沒有自我維持所需要的石油。記住，中國進口石油，就就是他XX的油價漲的這麼快的原因！

　　If there was going to be a war between us it would be because of this。 And I highly doubt it would take place in either China or the Americas。 It would happen in the middle east。 China needs oil。 They absolutely need it to continue tohave any chance of being a strong power in the world。 Russia is one option。 The middle east， may be the way they go and we would protect our intrests。 And all of a sudden we have a war on our hands。

　　沒錯，如果中美真要發生戰爭的話，肯定是因為石油這麼問題。而且我不認為戰爭會發生在美國和中國任何一方的國土上，戰爭可能會發生在中東地區。中國需要石油，他們絕對需要石油去繼續他們成為世界強國的努力。俄羅斯是他們的一個選擇，但中東可能是他們要去的地方，那麼我們就會去保衛自己的利益，然後忽然間，我們就處於戰爭狀態了。

　　And whats more a war right where the ** would be in a good position to have one。 Of course they would never invade The United States of America…。 unless they had a great plan。 But the middle east is another thing entirely。 In a place where land is really the only thing to fight on。 China would win。 Well we could just use hydrogen cells。 Anyway， the thing about the ** is that they』re group oriented so all you have to do is sit a machine gun in ont of their military base and shoot them all when they run out。 I saw it in a WWII movie。 That』s why we won WWII so easy。Anyway， The thing about the ** is that most of them have never heard of a plane or a loud siren so all we have to do is chopper in some sirens， call in an air strike， scare them all off and send in the troops。 While they』re shocked we will clean up their army and make the civilians join our army。

　　還有中國的優勢在於，當然他們不會去入侵美國，除非他們有更大的計劃。但是對中東就是完全是另一種情況了，在中東除了佔領土地就沒什麼其他可圖利益了，所以中國會取勝。我們應該用氫能源代替汽油。還有中國人是以集體思想為中心的，所以我們只需要在他們的軍事基地外面架挺機槍，等他們跑出來以後把他們全射死，我看的一部二戰電影就是這樣的，這就是我們為什麼那麼輕鬆的就贏了二戰。再有就是大部分中國人從來沒有聽到過飛機和警報的聲音，我們只需要讓直升機響起警報，對他們進行空襲，把他們都嚇壞了以後派我們的軍隊過去繳了他們的武器，然後讓老百姓加入我們的軍隊就可以了。

　　Well， they do have the power of culture and nationalism but then again if we napalm their rice then they will starve。 Also we could easily defeat the ** people in hand to hand combat because that karate stuff is no match for a good American Boxer。 One clean punch and the ** is gone。I think we should basically just use machine guns because there are so many people there。 All we have to do is equip a few fast hum vees with hydrogen cells and machine guns with wooden bullets so we only injure them and then make the injured guys be in our army to even up the odds。Also asian girls love white guys so we could get half of their population on our side and make more troops that way。

　　當然他們有很強的文化和民族主義精神，但還是那樣，如果我們能炸了他們的稻田那他們就會挨餓，而且我們可以在短兵相接的戰鬥中不費吹灰之力就能取勝，中國空手道根本不是美國拳擊的對手，乾淨漂亮的一拳就能把中國人打飛。我想我們還是用機槍，因為中國人實在太多了。我們只需要幾部用氫燃料的高速吉普和機槍，機槍用木製子彈，那樣我們就可以只打傷他們，然後讓受傷的敵人加入我方，來彌補我方和敵方的人數差距。而且亞洲女孩喜歡白人小夥子，所以我們能夠爭取到中國人口的一半，然後通過她們製造更多我們的軍隊。

now you just switched to stupidity because you ran out of arguments… none of that would work。 We wouldn』t starve out civilians anyway… we are to nice

　　現在你已經轉換到愚蠢戰術了，因為你已經沒有任何論點了。那說的那些沒有一個管用，而且我們也不會讓老百姓挨餓。。我們太善良了

　　If you are joking then this post was rather funny。If not， then I pity your life。

　　如果你的這個帖子是開玩笑，那挺滑稽的，如果不是，那我真可憐你這條生命。

　　Even a small amount of their standing army would f*ck us up as we are now。

　　就算是他們一小部分的常備軍也能讓我們現在的軍隊完蛋。

　　China is so packed with people and if you just bombed one block 7000 people would be dead。 Japan > USA > China

　　中國人居住的太擁擠了，炸一個街區就能炸死7000人。日本》美國》中國

　　I hope you don』t mean militiristically… japan can』t even have an army for of fense and china has more land for its people than the us does… you don』t know what you are talking about。

　　我希望你不是說日本軍國主義。。日本甚至連用於進攻的軍隊都沒有。而且中國有比美國更多的能讓人居住的土地，你根本不知道你說什麼呢。

　　What is Japan gonna do， send their Tamagotchi』s after China？ Japan doesnt have technology for military application。

　　日本能做什麼？送電子雞去中國？日本根本沒有用于軍事的技術。

　　so？ wuts ur point？ there is nothing to do with Japan， and Japan is just an island country， China doesn』t even bother to beat it， coz it will be destroyed by thousand times of earthquake

　　啊？你的意思是？這和日本一點關係都沒有，日本只是個島國，中國根本不屑於去打它，因為幾千次地震就能摧毀它了。

　　Idiot， then the f*cking rest of their eligible population would damage us。 All they would need is one shore break， thats it。 Then they can just f*cking destroy us。Remember Veitnam？Remember why we lost？China， thats why

　　蠢貨，他們他XX的省下的那些認字的人就能摧毀我們了，他們只需要一次登陸，然後就他

　　XX的讓我們都完蛋了。記得越南嗎？記得我們為什麼輸了嗎？是中國，這就是原因。

　　If i was pres。i would drop our entire stockpile of nukes on every major city/military base t

　　hey have if they were to declare war。the side effects 「radiation」 would give the rest cancer， thus leaving them utterly f*cked。it would be the only way to win， and people would want to assasinate you though

　　如果我是總統，如果他們宣戰，那我就會把我們庫存的所有核武器都倒在他們所有的大城市，軍事基地上，負面影響是，輻射會使他們省下的人都得癌症，那他們的民族就徹底全他XX的完了，這是唯一能夠取勝的方法，但過後人們會刺殺你。

　　in the end， if we do almost lose， well nuke them， thats what i think。

　　如果到了最後，我們快輸了的時候，我們將會用核武器炸他們，我是這麼認為的。

　　yeah。。 The chances are that china would win if the Usa didn』t usa nukes。， but if china attacked any country they』d win， soo… Stupid Comies！！

　　是呀，問題是如果美國不用核武器，中國就會贏。而如果中國攻擊其他國家，他們也會贏。

　　IF china sent every member of they』re army out on suicide missions(with bombs)than… well half the earth would die。

　　如果中國讓他們每一個士兵去自殺性襲擊的話，那半個地球都完蛋了。

　　Look at Germany。 There not huge and they took over how many countrys？

　　看看德國，他們也不大但看他們佔領了多少國家。

　　Hitler got pwned by the USSR and he had the mos technologic and strategically advanced army in WWII。

　　希特勒有最好的技術和戰術最優秀的軍隊，還不是讓蘇聯打敗了。

　　At this very moment we would win… we have more bombs， planes， **s etc。 in Ten years Chian would win， because presumably They will have The Bomb by then，and the will to use it

如果現在開戰，我們會贏，我們有更多的炮彈，飛機，**等。但如果十年以後開展，中國就會贏，因為那時他們應該有更多的核武器，而且他們會使用它們。

　　US would win we have canada

　　美國會嬴，因為我們有加拿大。

　　idiot， canada』s entire population just = one province』s population in China canada』s overall force is way weaker than ** force， and canada need protection om the US ， they don』t have than power

　　笨蛋！加拿大整個人口是是=中國一個省的人口。加拿大的武裝力量和中國比差遠了，加拿大需要美國的保護，他們根本就沒有力量。

　　coz they wouldn』y dare to， US has to seriously think about the outcome after nuking China， thousands of American would be blowed up at the same time。

　　因為他們不敢這麼做，美國必須小心考慮對中國用核武所產生的結果，成千上萬的美國人也會被同時炸飛。

　　：What』re they going to do， send their entire population over here with knives？

　　他們中國人能做什麼？把他們整個人口用刀子武裝起來然後派到我們美國來？

　　r u retarded？ they would use long-distance missile with nuclear warhead om submarine to blow the US up

　　你是不是弱智呀？他們會用潛艇發射帶核彈頭的遠程導彈把美國炸翻。

　　… What the f*ck？ Do you have any idea how fast their technology is catching up？ Within a few years』 time， their technological advances should rival that of the rest of the world。

　　真特媽傻，你知道他們在技術方面追趕的有多快嗎？幾年之內，他們先進的技術能夠匹敵整個世界。

　　Ignoring the fact that Japan』s army is now purely for defensive purposes， I be lieve that China is on par with the USA。

　　不管日本的軍隊現在是完全用於防禦的這個事實，我認為中國和美國的力量是一樣強大的。

　　I don』t know who would win。 China may have the numbers， but we have the better training， the better weaponry， and better access to resources。 It really depends on the allies that rally behind the country as to who would win that war。Who struck first would also play a factor， and WHY they struck first would be a BIG issue on what other nations rally behind each nation。 In all honesty， I think the US would win， but it would be a VERY long and VERY bloody war。

　　我不知道誰能嬴，中國有人口，但我們有更好的訓練，武器和可以利用的資源。誰能贏得勝利實際取決於哪個國家能得到更多的盟友的支持，誰先打擊對方也是一個重要的取勝因素。為什麼首先打擊對方的原因也是其他國家決定支持任何一方所要考慮的最重要的因素。實話實說，我認為美國會贏，但肯定會是場非常長期的，血腥無比的戰爭。

　　And to the person that was talking about the Nazis getting crushed by the Russians… the only reason that happened is because by that point in the war， Germany had been running out o esources for some time。

　　回答那個討論俄國打敗**的人，唯一的原因就是在戰爭進行到某一點時，德國有時物資跟不上了。

　　Technology may mean a lot。 But they have enough nukes to take us out。 For that

　　reason we can do shit on the playing field。 In a world full of technology it doesn』t take that much to catch up。 They can have all the technology they want thanks to the internet。 Besides。 China has a sort of black curtain。 The west probably doesn』t fully understand what they have。 They do have machine guns…and that is enough。 With proper motivation it wouldn』t take much to arm there large force sufficiently to take us out。 Granted they may lose more people。 But we would eventually lose， just because we were overwelmed。

　　技術也許很重要，但他們也有足夠幹掉我們的核武。所以我們不能瞎玩鬧而不重視了。現在世界上技術無處不在，想在技術上趕上一點也不難。他們可以得到他們想要的任何技術，感謝網際網路。另外，中國有些黑幕。西方也許並不知道他們到底有什麼。他們也有機槍。。。。那就足夠了。只要有合適的號召鼓動，完善的裝備他們數量巨大的武裝力量而幹掉我們一點也不難。就算他們會傷亡更多的人，但我們最終會輸掉，我們會被他們的數量最終壓倒的。

　　subs comparable to American subs in the 70』s， crappier planes， helicopters， long range bombers， everything。 There is no way in hell China would ever catch up to the US military technology wise within the next half century at the least

　　他們的潛艇就相當於美國70年代的，很爛的飛機，直升機，遠程轟炸機，所有的一切。中國絕對他XX的在最少下半個世紀之前在軍事技術領域趕不上美國。

　　China= Sleeping Giant… With their massive population and there unbelievably fast growing economy， It』s only a matter of time they become the most powerful nation… Oh how much would the American government hate that…

　　中國=沉睡的巨人。。以他們巨大的人口和他們難以置信的經濟增速。成為世界上最強大的國家只是個時間問題。。。啊，美國政府多麼憎恨這點呀

　　Okay。 Why would China fight the US？？ They』re allies！ Idiot。

　　得了，中國為什麼要打美國呢？他們是盟國。笨蛋

　　As long as the ** could move their troops they would win。 Transport is their only issue and easily solved with the numbers they have。

　　中國只要能調動他們的軍隊他們就能嬴，運輸是他們唯一的問題，但這個問題可以以他們眾多的人數而輕易解決。

　　all though I agree that racism doesn』t belong in this topic and that many of the posters don』t know what they are talking about。The main point of this is that a War with china should be avoided to the greatest extent possible

　　我同意種族主義不屬於我們這個帖子的討論範圍，這裡很多人根本就不知道自己在說什麼呢。最關鍵的問題是和中國的戰爭應該是盡我們最大程度的可能去努力去避免的。

　　for the moment the USA is the king of the world but it will change and China will become the boss of the world 。 But China is creating a new system dictatorship linked with capitalism that』s a dangerous mix but it works ！Oh democracy …。

　　現在美國是世界的老闆，但這將會改變，中國將會成為世界的老闆。但是中國創造了一種新的威權主義和資本主義相結合的制度，這很危險但卻很實用！哎，民主呀。。。