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想不通為何蘇聯不投降的國人看過來:納粹滅絕斯拉夫人的計劃

作者:fighter8  於 2015-5-13 09:19 發表於 最熱鬧的華人社交網路--貝殼村

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關鍵詞:斯拉夫人, 蘇聯, 計劃

 

最近俄羅斯大閱兵,有的中國人看熱鬧時了解到了俄羅斯在整個二戰對德國作戰中死了26百萬人,約其當時10-12%的人口,就替俄羅斯人感到想不通了 犧牲那麼大,為什麼俄羅斯蘇聯當時不投降呢?投降了不就減少了犧牲,最大限度地保留了國家民族,就像人家法國那樣,一早就投降了,不就沒有犧牲什麼,戰後照樣是個大國。

 

這是典型的中國式思維方式,來自於典型的中國經驗。可不是,中國歷史上這麼多次被異族入侵征服,中國人打不過,投降了,結果呢,就生存下來了,最多被屠殺個幾百萬,總沒有像俄羅斯那樣死幾千萬人,不是挺合算的嗎?

 

可是中國人唯一沒有想到的是,世界之大,中國人根據自身經驗了解到的其實只是一個極為有限的小部分,而大部分是中國人根本沒有體驗過甚至能夠想象到過的。具體說來就是,中國人根本不知道自己是誰,想象不到對世界上的大多數人來說,就連敵人都不一樣,所以在敵人眼裡自己會跟敵人的其他敵人不一樣。比如,同樣是投降,法國人投降的結果就會完全不同於蘇聯人投降的結果,因為對納粹第三帝國來說,法國人是敵對的自己人,投降了就饒其一命,而斯拉夫人卻是不管投降與否都需要種族滅絕的敵人。因為納粹在納粹看來,法國人是犯錯誤的自己人,而斯拉夫人根本就是非我族類的untermensch, (subhuman,次等人類)

 

以下是第三帝國滅絕斯拉夫人的計劃。根據此計劃,在戰後30年內要完成對斯拉夫各個民族的滅絕,滅絕形式包括驅趕,肉體滅絕,遞解到西伯利亞,德國化。甚至連哪個斯拉夫民族該死多少,驅趕多少,德國化多少的百分比都以德國人特有的精細計算好了。其中,波蘭為第一,80-85%要被滅絕,剩下的德國化。其次,俄羅斯人,計劃很詳盡,50–60% to be physically eliminated and another 15% to be sent to Western Siberia. 百分之5060 要被肉體消滅,然後百分之15被送到西伯利亞。剩下大約有25%,可能當印第安人了吧。注意這個計劃不是戰爭時期就實施的,而是戰後,漸進性逐步實施,10年到30年的遠期規劃。

 

現在懂了吧,此敵人非彼敵人,東洋鬼子非西洋鬼子。日本人從一開始就沒有想種族滅絕過中國人,不過僅僅是想要點領土,想要征服中國人,進而使得中國人跟自己一起成立大東亞共榮圈,也就是要強求跟中國人成為自己人。這跟想要殺光了敵人是不是完全性質不同?當然。區別就是是否把敵人當作自己實際上的同類。

 

看完了,你們就該明白了為什麼現在俄羅斯人一片雞飛狗跳,一股勁地大談第三次世界大戰,大談種族主義。。。一朝被蛇咬,十年怕井繩。只有中國人還沒有被這樣的蛇咬過,不懂得害怕。


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回復 fighter8 2015-5-13 09:25
Generalplan Ost (from Wiki)

The Generalplan Ost (Master Plan East, GPO) was a secret Nazi German plan for the colonization of Central and Eastern Europe.[1] Implementation would have necessitated genocide[2] and ethnic cleansing on a vast scale to be undertaken in territories occupied by Germany during World War II.[2]

The plan entailed the enslavement, expulsion, and/or extermination of most Slavic peoples in Europe, who the Nazis viewed as Untermensch and non-Aryan.[2][3] The programme operational guidelines, prepared in the years 1939–1942, were based on the policy of Lebensraum designed by Adolf Hitler and the Nazi movement, as well as being a fulfillment of the Drang nach Osten (English: Drive towards the East) ideology of German expansion to the east. As such, it was intended to be a part of the New Order in Europe.[2]



The final version of Generalplan Ost, essentially a grand plan for ethnic cleansing, was divided into two parts; the "Small Plan" (Kleine Planung), which covered actions which were to be taken during the war, and the "Big Plan" (Grosse Planung), which covered actions to be undertaken after the war was won, and to be implemented gradually over a period of 25 to 30 years.[7][10]

Percentages of ethnic groups targeted for elimination by Nazi Germany from future settlement areas[11][12]

Ethnic group        Percentage subject to removal

Poles
80–85%
Russians
50–60% to be physically eliminated and another 15% to be sent to Western Siberia.
Belarusians
75%
Ukrainians
65%        -        Latvians
50%
Estonians
50%[13]
               
Czechs
50%                       
Latgalians
100%       
               
Generalplan Ost envisaged differing percentages of the various conquered nations undergoing Germanization (for example, 50% of Czechs, 35% of Ukrainians and 25% of Belarusians), extermination, expulsion and other fates, the net effect of which would be to ensure that the conquered territories would be Germanized. In ten years' time, the plan effectively called for the extermination, expulsion, Germanization or enslavement of most or all East and West Slavs living behind the front lines in Europe. The "Small Plan" was to be put into practice as the Germans conquered the areas to the east of their pre-war borders. In this way the plan for Poland was drawn up at the end of November 1939 and is probably responsible for much of the World War II expulsion of Poles by Germany (first to colonial district of the General Government and, from 1942 also to Polenlager).[14] After the war, under the "Big Plan", Generalplan Ost foresaw the removal of 45 million non-Germanizable people from Central and Eastern Europe, of whom 31 million were "racially undesirable", 100% of Jews, Poles (85%), Belorussians (75%) and Ukrainians (65%), to West Siberia,[5] and about 14 millions were to remain, but were to be treated as slaves.[7] In their place, up to 8-10 million Germans would be settled in an extended "living space" (Lebensraum). Because the number of Germans appeared to be insufficient to populate the vast territories of Central and Eastern Europe, the peoples judged to lie racially between the Germans and the Russians (Mittelschicht), namely, Latvians and even Czechs, were also supposed to be resettled there.[15]

According to Nazi intentions, attempts at Germanization were to be undertaken only in the case of those foreign nationals in Central and Eastern Europe who could be considered a desirable element for the future Reich from the point of view of its racist theories. The Plan stipulated that there were to be different methods of treating particular nations and even particular groups within them. Attempts were even made to establish the basic criteria to be used in determining whether a given group lent itself to Germanization. These criteria were to be applied more liberally in the case of nations whose racial material (rassische Substanz) and level of cultural development made them more suitable than others for Germanization. The Plan considered that there were a large number of such elements among the Baltic nations. Dr. Wetzel felt that thought should be given to a possible Germanization of the whole of the Estonian nation and a sizable proportion of the Latvians. On the other hand, the Lithuanians seemed less desirable since they contained too great an admixture of Slav blood. Himmler's view was that "almost the whole of the Lithuanian nation would have to be deported to the East".[11]

Whatever happened, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia were to be deprived of their statehood, while their territories were to be included in the eastern area of German settlement. This meant that Latvia and especially Lithuania would be covered by the deportation plans, though in a somewhat milder form than the Slav—"voluntary" emigration to western Siberia. While the Baltic nations like Estonians would be spared from repressions and physical liquidation that Jews or Poles were experiencing, in the long term the Nazi planners did not foresee their existence as independent entitites and they would be deported as well, with eventual denationalisation; initial designs were for Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia to be Germanized within 25 years, however Heinrich Himmler revised them to 20 years.[16]

In 1941 it was decided to destroy the Polish nation completely and the German leadership decided that in 10 to 20 years the Polish state under German occupation was to be fully cleared of any ethnic Poles and settled by German colonists.[17] A majority of them, now deprived of their leaders and most of their intelligentsia (through human losses, destruction of culture, the ban on education above the absolutely basic level, and kidnapping of children for Germanization), would have to be deported to regions in the East and scattered over as wide an area of Western Siberia as possible. According to the plan this would result in their assimilation by the local populations, which would cause the Poles to vanish as a nation.[15] By 1952, only about 3–4 million non-Germanized Poles (all of them peasants) were to be left residing in the former Poland. Those of them who would still not Germanize were to be forbidden to marry, the existing ban on any medical help to Poles in Germany would be extended, and eventually Poles would cease to exist. Experiments in mass sterilization in concentration camps may also have been intended for use on the populations.[18] The Wehrbauer, or soldier-peasants, would be settled in a fortified line to prevent civilization reanimating beyond the Ural Mountains and threatening Germany.[19] "Tough peasant races" would serve as a bulwark against attack.[20]
The seizure of food supplies in Ukraine brought about starvation, as it was intended to do to depopulate that region for German settlement.[21] Soldiers were told to steel their hearts against starving women and children, because every bit of food given to them was stolen from the German people, endangering their nourishment.[22]

Widely varying policies were envisioned by the creators of Generalplan Ost, and some of them were actually implemented by Germany in regards to the different Slavic territories and ethnic groups. For example, by August–September 1939 (Operation Tannenberg followed by the A-B Aktion in 1940), Einsatzgruppen death squads and concentration camps had been employed to deal with the Polish elite, while the small number of Czech intelligentsia were allowed to emigrate overseas. Parts of Poland were annexed by Germany early in the war (leaving aside the rump German-controlled General Government and the areas previously annexed by the Soviet Union), while the other territories were officially occupied by or allied to Germany (for example, the Slovak part of Czechoslovakia became a theoretically-independent puppet state, while the ethnic-Czech parts of the Czech lands (so excluding the Sudetenland) became a "protectorate"). It is unknown to what degree the plan was actually directly connected to the various German war crimes and crimes against humanity in the East, especially in the latter phases of the war.[citation needed] In any case, the majority of Germany's 12 million forced laborers were abducted from Eastern Europe, mostly in the Soviet territories and Poland (both Slavs and local Jews).

One of the charges listed in the indictment presented at the trial of Adolf Eichmann, the SS officer responsible for the transportation aspects of the Final Solution, was that he was responsible for the deportation of 500,000 Poles. Eichmann was convicted on all 15 counts.[23]

Civilian death toll in the Soviet Union

The Russian Academy of Sciences in 1995 reported civilian victims in the USSR at German hands totaled 13.7 million dead, 20% of the 68 million persons in the occupied USSR. This included 7.4 million victims of Nazi genocide and reprisals; 2.2 million deaths of persons deported to Germany for forced labor; and 4.1 million famine and disease deaths in occupied territory. There were an additional estimated 3.0 million famine deaths in areas of the USSR not under German occupation. These losses are for the entire territory of the USSR in 1946 to 1991 borders, including territories occupied in 1939–40.[24] The deaths of 8.2 million Soviet civilians were documented by the Soviet Extraordinary State Commission.[25]
回復 fighter8 2015-5-13 09:57
我相信,如果元首當年所處的世界跟現在一樣,有大規模移民,有各種聯網通訊方式縮小世界距離,等等這麼多機會深入了解中國人亞洲人,還加上有地球承擔人類能力的問題。。。可以肯定元首會認定第一需要種族滅絕的是亞洲人,特別是中國人。

沒看見這網路上,但凡有小悅悅一類表現中國人怎樣沒有道德毫無人性的視頻出現,下面的西方人都跟著喊要種族滅絕中國人嗎。沒看見美國加拿大的主流媒體都戴著華人孩子當眾撒尿一類華人如何沒有公德的事件大做文章嗎。不要以為這都是說罷了。只有愚蠢的人,才僅僅會以自己的行為方式預期他人的行為方式。
回復 qxw66 2015-5-13 11:48
日本人從一開始就想種族滅絕中國人!
回復 fighter8 2015-5-13 12:50
qxw66: 日本人從一開始就想種族滅絕中國人!
大家都知道的歷史事實是日本人當時要搞大東亞共榮圈共同對付西方。日本人就是跟美國成了盟友都還在想,2008年還跟韓國一起上門找中國要搞東亞共同體。被中國自己攪黃了,不敢得罪美國。日本是亞洲最早向西方開放的,最早懂得了種族主義,所以有這個認知。
回復 fighter8 2015-5-13 13:01
大閱兵普京講話,專門說道是西方人「自以為種族高級的情節」 "the idea of race supremacy " 導致了第二次世界大戰,說現在必須警惕。俄羅斯總統都這麼拿出來公開講了,可見肯定是俄羅斯人的基本共識了?果然,俄羅斯今日上大談第三次世界大戰,請來專家大講二戰後種族隔離更厲害了,要導致三戰。。。 再看下面評論,一般俄羅斯人更是一片雞飛狗跳,在那裡跟美國人辯論打嘴仗。我就是從他們那裡看到這個納粹計劃的,的確是有點嚇人。

他們還說起現在西方的 depopulation plan,要把世界人口減少90%,通過種族
滅絕,轉基因食品等等方式。我終於明白了,他們是認真的那麼認為的,而且都怕得有
點神經兮兮了。跟他們對話的美國人說,其實美國要真的有冷戰的話,對象主要是中國。這還不能說服他們。

而中國,中國人呢?連斯拉夫白人怕被種族滅絕都怕得神經兮兮了。。。這個黃種蒙古
中國人,美國人自己都承認的主要敵人,還在一邊穩坐釣魚台,不溫不火地當旁觀者看
美俄的熱鬧呢。都不知道害怕,全然不知大難將至,還打著"是要跟美國緊點,還是跟
俄羅斯近點」的小九九,還煞有介事地評估著是否要跟美國人「共管世界」?不知是可
笑還是可悲的無知者無畏。
回復 陳營 2015-5-14 21:48
蘇聯二戰期間損失人口2千6百萬,應該是戰後的統計,當時恐怕無法確定具體數字。蘇聯堅持進行慘烈戰役決不投降該是基於國家民族的生死存亡,不會依據人口損失的數量。相信當時斯大林也無法確定一個大概準確的死亡人數。
回復 growingfox 2015-5-15 02:38
基於人口損失決定是否投降的論點就如同戰場上用士兵的傷亡確定勝負一樣荒謬.
回復 南冰洋 2016-6-6 05:56
qxw66: 日本人從一開始就想種族滅絕中國人!
我贊成你的論點。 脖主有點兒一廂情願。
回復 qxw66 2016-6-6 06:19
南冰洋: 我贊成你的論點。 脖主有點兒一廂情願。
滿人,蒙古,都是殺漢人一半。
回復 emuch 2017-3-26 17:24
今天看了你好幾個帖子,不是故意找的,都是推的。這個帖子暴露了博主真心很幼稚。日本人沒想滅絕中國,跟納粹不一樣,呵呵,naive. 日本人和中國人外貌相似,文化趨同,這跟雅利安和斯拉夫是不一樣的,所以他想的是奴化中國人,在東北推行奴化教育,按日本的語言和習慣奴化;不讓中國人吃大米,這都是日本人搞出來的。他的算盤是把中國人改造成效忠天皇的奴僕,為什麼非要肉體消滅呢,改造之後不是實力爆棚?這個你也能放在一塊比較,真心太幼稚了。估計你是20多歲的年輕人。你總提到俄羅斯今日,俄羅斯新聞也不是那麼自由的,而且會有對中國一直以來的負面宣傳。別總拿它做論點了。
回復 borninheaven 2017-12-29 04:47
fighter8: 我相信,如果元首當年所處的世界跟現在一樣,有大規模移民,有各種聯網通訊方式縮小世界距離,等等這麼多機會深入了解中國人亞洲人,還加上有地球承擔人類能力的
當年希特勒利用還不成熟的基因科學,創造了「科學」的人種論。好多生物科學家同意支持。有點象今天氣候變化論差不多。德國以凈化人類,拯救人類這麼崇高的口號擴展,進行人類種族工程。西方人搞的意識形態高度總是高高的
回復 borninheaven 2017-12-29 05:01
fighter8: 大家都知道的歷史事實是日本人當時要搞大東亞共榮圈共同對付西方。日本人就是跟美國成了盟友都還在想,2008年還跟韓國一起上門找中國要搞東亞共同體。被中國自己
日本人近代開始改口稱他們不是亞洲人種,二戰時和德國結盟,更要和科學的人種論接軌。可是這骨子裡還是亞洲人,實用主義根深蒂固,對所謂的基因科學是選擇性的相信,加上邊上這中國太大,日本相對整個亞洲太小了點,所以就搞個大東亞共榮的玩意當作騙亞洲人擴張旗幟,如同中國當今一路一帶,當然形式內容有別, 實用主義是一脈相承的。實用主義的擴張是沒法持續的,至少有限的歷史是這樣。

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