Anti-war是一個不錯的英文論壇,在美國,挺有名的。
她成立於1
0年前伊拉克戰爭打響時。聽名字似乎是個左派論壇,但是,她其實是個象國內天涯論壇那樣各種思潮魚龍混雜,左右混戰的地方。
有意思的是,版主Justin
Remondo自己經常發表很有見地的社論性文章,也和網民一起混戰。他的威信在網民中間並不因為此類混戰而降低,
反而得到擁戴。
我的朋友是那個網站的每日常客,常常把那裡一些議論中國的文章轉給我看。我看看,這十多年以來,網站上的文章從非常不理性地叫罵中國,誣衊中國,逐漸到現在比較理性地看待在中國和中美關係里發生的一些問題。
文章也代表了美國現在的普通人,精英們和社會各種利益集團對中國的看法。
今天,我朋友又給我轉了一篇一位著名的作者John V.Walsh的文章,並附上了朋友的筆名jojo的回帖。讓他高興的是,作者J.Walsh居然給他回帖,部分同意他對中國的看法。
於是,我把J.Walsh的文章和回帖,以及jojo的回帖放這裡,以享大家。
看看這些普通老外之間關於中國現狀的對話,也挺有趣:)
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An Anti-Interventionist Looks at China
by John V. Walsh,
January 18, 2011
http://original.antiwar.com/john-v-walsh/2011/01/17/an-anti-interventionist-looks-at-china/
我不喜歡看英文帖子,所以,咱們也中英對照一哈:
jojo。4小時前
我建議喬治(作者)去中國訪問以後再來和我們談論中國。
其次,除了武器,美國有什麼可以出口的?
德國---汽車,汽車,汽車---BMW是垃圾。
近來,喬治你應當注意到--
在中國你幾乎看不到無家可歸者(註:jojo的意思是和北美比較)
沒有稅收(jojo的意思是和美國加拿大比較)
水電費很便宜(同樣和美加比較)
食品費向下跌(這一點jojo恐怕說得有點過頭了不過他也是和北美的比較)
免費醫療(還沒有做到象加拿大這樣全民免費,不過也在努力之中)
便宜的火車費用(這個當然是的,和北美車票比較)
順便說,中國的街道清潔,犯罪率低,和美國比較一哈:美國男人--每1 0個人中有一人在監獄里呆著:(
jojo· 4 hours ago
I suggest john visit China and then talk to us about China.
2nd,what does USA
export--other than WEAPONS? Germany--cars
cars cars-- BMW--is junk.
Note to Johnny come lately---Homeless in China-- hardly none ,Taxes--none,
Hydro--dirt cheap, Food price--rock bottom, Free medical care yes, cheap
tranist yes ect.
By the way--streets are clean and crime---way down low-- now compare that to
USA's ROT--1 out of 10 are in prison :^(
John V. Walsh 1小時前
回jojo和 Wolfgang,
我已經去過中國而且為他的開放程度而震驚。我們的導遊一直在抱怨共產黨政府,人們談論有關環境污染的諸多問題。我們的另一位導遊顯然是個少數派,他對文化大革命作了中肯的分析。在咖啡屋裡我可以上google找到任何我想搜索的東西:天安門,坦克,最近一期的紐約時報和美國保守主義。也許,這些資料在中國並不受到封鎖,我不知道。但是,許多中國人能夠說英文,而且他們鼓勵小孩子學英文。
順便說一下,美國仍舊能夠製造很多東西,但是失業率也很高。再加上我們那些毫無愛國之心和笨瓜樣的精英們,(情況就更嚴重)。
. And we have jobless instead of a
shorter work week which we desperately need to create jobs.
John V. Walsh· 1 hour ago
To JoJo and Wolfgang,
I have visited China
and I was impressed by the diversity of opinion. Our guide lost no opportunity
to condemn the CCP. And people talked about the problem of pollution a lot. On
the other hand there was another guide, definitely in the minority, who spoke
well of the Cultural Revolution. At a cafe with wireless I was able to google
everything I tried - Tank Man, Tiananmen, the latest edition of the NYT and The
American Conservative. Maybe that is not possible in Chinese - I do not know.
But many, many Chinese speak English and there is a push to teach English to
all children.
John V. Walsh
And by the way the US
still manufactures a lot - but with such high efficiency that there is
unemployment. The surplus is bled off by our unpatriotic and untalented elite.
And we have jobless instead of a shorter work week which we desperately need to
create jobs.