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哥大悟之十:一場瞬間流局的嘴皮子慈善

作者:jadepython  於 2012-8-22 21:15 發表於 最熱鬧的華人社交網路--貝殼村

作者分類:哥大悟|通用分類:熱點雜談|已有33評論

關鍵詞:慈善, 反共, 肉聯, 大悟

昨天某人介紹個項目,就幾十頁的細則談了很晚,心裡錢途漫漫,俗人小氣的俺,昏昏地睡了幾個鐘頭。滿腦子的合同,還不如先悟上一悟, 去些銅臭氣,好迎接今日燦爛的朝陽。

因為近日在肉聯網上跟大版主較勁,恰逢一小版主扔出了幾張可憐的山區失學貧困兒童照片,唉,當爹的人,最看不得這些。心頭一熱壞水一泛,點了4個民運逗士的名,認捐2222刀,並叫板問這些平時口水泛濫的慷慨民主人士,敢不敢象平時互撓後背一般的默契,跟上同樣數額,成此美事一樁?

雖然結果是預料之中,但是平日反華的激昂,對應今朝無果的沉默。這種天地黑白般的對照,還是讓洒家小小地嘆為觀止了一下。

今早再上來看看肉聯那些亂七八糟的慈善想法,很不意外地沉到了罈子的第N頁,一場本來能讓好多個兒童過上一個好2012年的小小較勁,就這樣再也不會有人提起。

其實中國的很多事情就是這樣,國人不是沒有熱心,也不是沒有資源。只不過當人人把嘴皮子磨的冒泡,卻把捐錢這種最簡單的一步,要排在討論意圖,方法,格調,渠道,討論動機真心高調低調。。。之後的之後。那個哥從來就沒教會平日大言炎炎的講師童鞋的,偉大的知行合一理念,就成了國人永遠學不會的一堆故紙。

你要想弄明白一件事情,手上翻開書本的同時,腳下一定要邁出第一步。不是之前,也不是之後。不然那不叫合一,也成不了任何事,包括反共反華。

這還沒有完。

哥在想這些慈善事情的時候,一個封塵多年的名字,武訓,突然就跳了出來。人老了,思維往往就是這樣,一些當年俺老爹偶爾提起的小事情小人物,往往在最想象不到的時機,鮮活地跳了出來。

武訓到底是個什麼人,幹了什麼事,年紀比較輕的自己放狗去找。這個60年前惹的全中國天翻地覆討論的清末人物,辦了三個義學。最讓人驚訝感慨的,是他用沿乞討的方式集資,他找來認捐的鄉紳,在喂他們大吃大喝盛情款待的時候,自己默默地在門外作知客,要麼就在門內作跑堂。。最後以鄉紳的殘羹果腹。

這是一種多麼不要臉的知行合一啊?

所以今天呢,俺也不要臉一回,再犧牲一個馬甲,再冒著被某些肉聯版主或其狗腿子用HACKTOOL32病毒攻擊的風險,貼上這一貼。看看集體失語的各位民運逗士,到底還有沒有一點可以被救贖的資質。

按說人家喀嚓了俺這麼多次,俺還來這肉聯攪和,可真是夠不要臉的了,不過自比武訓,俺覺得俺這不要臉實在是太小兒科了,所以俺這臉,還得再不要一次。哈哈。

這是大悟系列的最後一篇,哥的想法非常簡單,就是用這十大悟,好好地曝一曝這些今天反華逗士,明天的GCD #2的反智行為和思維,到底是多麼的不靠譜。希望中華這百年的可悲輪迴,不要在民智漸開的祖國重演。

就醬紫。。打腰去咧,洗凈中年猥瑣男的一身腌臢氣,太陽真好。

PS:順便回一回人家說俺被封了還想辦法發言違法。。俺的理解,網際網路是個公用空間,你可以說肉聯的伺服器是你家的私產,我也可以說瀏覽器鍵盤是我的私產。只要我沒有造成你經濟上的損失,你的註冊是開放的,你的網頁是開放的。那所謂我在你家地盤上混的說法,是句非常可笑的P話。當然你可以使勁刪帖子,刪ID,封IP(可不包括你昨天用HACKTOOL攻擊我哦,呵呵,警告你一句)。哥從來不抱怨版主刪這刪那,這是你的權利,就如同我一分鐘註冊個馬甲,換個EMAIL,換個IP一樣,也是我的權利。

當然,如果某忽悠的目的不是說道理,就是等哥說話不方便,敲敲邊鼓泄私憤,想知道來龍去脈的,可以去看哥本來不想貼的一片惡搞檄文:從某大忽悠的身上看某地某些人的劣根性:

https://big5.backchina.com/chineseblog/201208/user-327777-message-159169-page-1.html

其實這也可以理解,不過千萬勞駕,甭包裝成自己不願意高調作慈善。。呵呵,四十好幾的人了,除了自己,還能騙誰呢?


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回復 甜,不甜 2012-8-22 21:31
對膽小口大之人,如能作出'熊膽'之'壯舉',也要有豹膽之財力。口若懸河,吐沫橫飛之後之後,也不見捐款之行動,想必財力撐不起腰桿。(見諒暫以我小人之心,度君子之腹)
回復 jadepython 2012-8-22 21:38
甜,不甜: 對膽小口大之人,如能作出'熊膽'之'壯舉',也要有豹膽之財力。口若懸河,吐沫橫飛之後之後,也不見捐款之行動,想必財力撐不起腰桿。(見諒暫以我小人之心,度君 ...
Wait and see. 俺本來每年都要捐的。。咋捐不是捐,幾千塊。。哥還真沒放在眼裡。。拿來順便玩鬧一下,俺覺得挺好。哈哈。
回復 早安太陽 2012-8-22 22:24
大哥,你四十好幾的人,除了騙你自己,好像順帶著把我也騙了。我看你的博客,看的暈暈乎乎的,貌似你以一種痞子的語氣在調侃你君子的心態和做法,我鮮花了。如果獻錯了,見諒哈~
回復 jadepython 2012-8-22 22:54
早安太陽: 大哥,你四十好幾的人,除了騙你自己,好像順帶著把我也騙了。我看你的博客,看的暈暈乎乎的,貌似你以一種痞子的語氣在調侃你君子的心態和做法,我鮮花了。如果 ...
姐們說的好。。這事兒淵源可長。。哈哈。
回復 早安太陽 2012-8-22 23:03
jadepython: 姐們說的好。。這事兒淵源可長。。哈哈。
哈哈,能當哥的姐,咱沒白混,這個鮮花沒白扔~
回復 jadepython 2012-8-22 23:19
早安太陽: 哈哈,能當哥的姐,咱沒白混,這個鮮花沒白扔~
姐到底是哥啊還是姐啊。。。
回復 i0u 2012-8-22 23:33
慈善 and 較勁 are different things, respect you to 較勁, but not through 慈善, especially money involved. I just don't think you got anything proved through this way.
回復 jadepython 2012-8-22 23:42
i0u: 慈善 and 較勁 are different things, respect you to 較勁, but not through 慈善, especially money involved. I just don't think you got anything proved t ...
To  be honest with you DragonDragon, it was just a mind game. I will donate that amount regardless what happens.... The only thing I wanted to see was if they value their egos first, or the well-beings of those children first......show-boat their narcissistic repetitive eloquences first, or start soul-redemption spontaneous actions first....

Unfortunately it is always the former cases - and that was not unexpected.

Don't worry, the children will not be the collateral damage here - they will get what they deserve - in any case :)
回復 i0u 2012-8-23 00:04
jadepython: To  be honest with you DragonDragon, it was just a mind game. I will donate that amount regardless what happens.... The only thing I wanted to see was ...
Well, we have different point of view on this one, there are people who has big ego but in reality, with shallow pockets, and it is not necessarily say those people are cheap toward kindness. Overall, money is easiest way to donate when you have plenty.

I just don't think back someone into the corner to prove they are shorter is a fair game.

I know you are such a kind person, just please don't grow too much teeth around your kindness heart.
回復 jadepython 2012-8-23 00:16
i0u: Well, we have different point of view on this one, there are people who has big ego but in reality, with shallow pockets, and it is not necessarily sa ...
You are a genuine kind person...I guess just hate to see those wannabes put on disguise to fake dragondragon :)

It is just...I am kinda pessimistic about the power of kindness alone. Sometimes you have to rely on tangible means...be it a harsh critic or a small amount of money.
回復 i0u 2012-8-23 00:51
jadepython: You are a genuine kind person...I guess just hate to see those wannabes put on disguise to fake dragondragon :)

It is just...I am kinda pessimistic a ...
I agree with you on sometimes,  tangible means or harsh critic would help to speed up the progression, and sometime it can also be double edged sword.

Kindness and assimilation are two other fundamental things we also need, it may seems having very slow influence, but for sure last longer, talking about why our culture still exist among the cradle of civilizations.

sigh~~~again,  think I talk too much today, and there are no right or wrong answers, good thing is at least we can talk about it
回復 妞兒 2012-8-23 02:46
現在才知道來龍去脈,其實吧,捐不捐,自己知道就行了~你把捐錢和跟他們叫板混為一談,該打。他們應了,你就一定會捐?他們不應,你就不捐?7~~~~~~~~~~
回復 jadepython 2012-8-23 02:48
妞兒: 現在才知道來龍去脈,其實吧,捐不捐,自己知道就行了~你把捐錢和跟他們叫板混為一談,該打。他們應了,你就一定會捐?他們不應,你就不捐?7~~~~~~~~ ...
笨妞了吧。。哥本來就是叫板不叫板,每年都要捐的呀。。SUNK COST, 拿來玩TA們的呀。。哈哈。
回復 妞兒 2012-8-23 04:09
jadepython: 笨妞了吧。。哥本來就是叫板不叫板,每年都要捐的呀。。SUNK COST, 拿來玩TA們的呀。。哈哈。
你就得瑟吧你~~~~~~~~~~~
回復 JuneRipple 2012-8-23 05:51
i0u: I agree with you on sometimes,  tangible means or harsh critic would help to speed up the progression, and sometime it can also be double edged sword. ...
Talking without action can go either way, either right or wrong, depending on the parties who are debating.  In this regard, I don't think anyone would be successful in converting and recruiting the other camp.  Just such plain darn reality!   

However, when it comes to things as concrete as an action, ethics are usually involved.  Often when we talk about ethics, we are justifying our actions by saying they are right/ wrong relative to the other's.  

That's why DaShe got his point.  Quite good job in laying out his points.  I do agree with 99% of them.  The 1% that I don't agree with is "知行合一「 must have to be concretely reflected through an immediate "tangible" action, such as donating $2222. There are other ways to achieve that reunion, and the process of such reunion is not static and exclusive.  In other words, you don't have to provide direct service or goods; you can do other things indirectly beneficial to that group of people.  

Another reason I am bit shun away from the idea of donation is although donating a chunk money as big as $2222 is truly impressive, it actually makes me ponder how much effect it would result in its target population - the children depicted in all of those gloomy bleak pictures.  This is something I am really concerned about.  

This reason is self explanatory given the considerations to the system, the corruption.... So I usually don't donate unless I know who is handling the money.

I am not cold; my heart always goes out to them when I see pictures like these.  But I am even more sad when I have to see resources like the donations from all the heavenly good hearts go down the drain!  

Because of that, I guess I am even more miserably pessimistic than DaShe, as he still donations, although in such flamboyant way.....

Well, too much being said... I am getting too philosophical...but I'd rather see the world in this way when I see things like those children's lives because I feel powerless in making changes in their lives.  There are just way many hurdles between.  

You might argue that at least I can try to donate.  Although the corruption exists, there is always some money going to the other end.  Well, if you say so, you might have got a point unless I ask to you to show me the evidence.  But would it make the whole process even more convoluted?

so keep it simple.  talking with action is better than talking without action.  When there is tentatively no action, then say nothing.
回復 jadepython 2012-8-23 06:46
JuneRipple: Talking without action can go either way, either right or wrong, depending on the parties who are debating.  In this regard, I don't think anyone woul ...
某雲,

First of all, I am only speaking for myself for the amount. The $2222 was merely a bashing blow to those big-mouth-Rolians, not a tool or trick to solicit more dollars from perspective true-hearted donors.

In terms of 知行合一,The reason I called for chipping in the dollars first and asking people to follow suit, aside from playing  the matching game mentioned above, is because I firmly believe it is THE most fateful first step one could take to actually make this charity event reality.

You could talk and talk, debate and debate, evaluate and evaluate, convince and convince...at the end of the day, you will find people start losing passion, getting tangled up with fine details and drifting apart... and you would need a charismatic leader to convince or even coerce the group back on track.

That rarely happens, because those leaders are born and they don't come in dozens. You would be lucky to work with one in person in your whole life.

So it is actually really simple if you just start act spontaneously by donating a few bucks, these few bucks will buy you a group of people with this magical 「stickiness」: They will then trying to find a channel to funnel these money to a consensual initiative -- just like the 「life finds a way」 in Jurassic Park  

To orchestrate a group people like that is a much easier job. You basically just need an accountant and a voting machine.

This is why I am saying talking is cheap and acting is gold, not because the latter is more more noble than the former, it is because the latter leads to results and keeps the project on track.

But you wouldn't know all these - unless you chip in the first dollar.

Mark my word: The Rolia thing 櫻桃果果 is organizing, will not have any significant outcome unless they start chipping in right now -- not because I wish them to fail, because they already failed --- right at the starting line.
回復 JuneRipple 2012-8-23 09:15
jadepython: 某雲,

First of all, I am only speaking for myself for the amount. The $2222 was merely a bashing blow to those big-mouth-Rolians, not a tool or tric ...
Don't get me wrong.  I actually admire people like you who can jump in and start doing things right away.  And I also believe physically doing thing is eventually THE WAY to make things really happen. :-)

You seem to be much more like a doer than me. I am not saying I am not a doer.  Actually I am, too.  But, I tend to be more on the observer side first when it comes to the resource issue.  hehe, I am quite stingy in a sense.  But when we talk about resources, we must have to be stingy.  Don't you think so? The attitude toward utilizing resources is it is not like we should not spend any resources; it is like how we should maximize the use of resources.  

Money is one of the resources.  It is repugnant to see resource is being suck in some greedy hands when it could actually be utilized in a much more meaningful way.  That's why I want to know the process of using the money before I donate.  

Therefore, from this perspective, I kind of understand those Rolians who are compassionate to initiate such action.  They might be just like me in some ways.  They want to do something good but also worry about the system over there.  So, I wouldn't consider them being like the people who are only fond of talking, talking...

Although I understand there are ones who are only good talking.  So I understand why you challenged them to follow you.  Yes, this can be a good way to illustrate "知行合一", but it is not the only way.  

So I'd suggest give them some time and believe they will follow you somehow in some other ways in some days.  That's what I meant "知行合一" does not have to be solely reflected through donation.  Perhaps, one saying made years ago can reunite with one deed many years later, as long as one keep his/her action consistent with his/her ideas.

Look, in this sense, I am less pessimistic than you!  I still believe the good sides of people, although I myself choose to talk only with action!
回復 i0u 2012-8-23 09:17
JuneRipple: Talking without action can go either way, either right or wrong, depending on the parties who are debating.  In this regard, I don't think anyone woul ...
我同意你的觀點,知行要合一才真正有意義;有知無行不過是空談,有行無知為莽撞。大蛇本身就是知行合一很好的例子,這應該也是他事業小有所成的原因。但所謂的知行合一究竟是律己還是律他,我和大蛇的意見是不同的。我沒有大蛇的見識和學識淵博,更沒有他的膽識和魄力,他的做法很可能比我的有效,但我依然相信人性本善,知源於書本,行效仿於榜樣。

對於慈善,如果說每一分錢對於貧困的孩子都是幫助。那麼問題如果變成:貧困孩子可以的得到10塊錢,但捐款人要付出100塊的成本把這10塊錢送到孩子手裡。我們是不是依然願意捐款呢。很多的時候,我的想象會束縛我自己,不過是因為我自認看透了社會黑暗的本質,但如果社會並不是我想象的那麼黑暗呢......社會上究竟是好人多,還是壞人多呢? 我承認,我仍然很幼稚。

的確,錢是做善事最簡單的方法,當我更在乎我的時間時,錢是很容易給我買一個內心的平安的。在我做不到用餘生的精力去行善時,花二千大洋,一個星期的薪水便成了更容易的選擇,難道不是么。我是個凡人,做自己能力以內的,所以,我接受自己局限。至於將來,引用你的話:「 talking with action is better than talking without action. When there is tentatively no action, then say nothing.」
回復 JuneRipple 2012-8-23 09:34
i0u: 我同意你的觀點,知行要合一才真正有意義;有知無行不過是空談,有行無知為莽撞。大蛇本身就是知行合一很好的例子,這應該也是他事業小有所成的原因。但所謂的知 ...
是啊,知行合一不一定必須同時發生。有些時候,一個inspiration 需要很長時間才能actualized.

大蛇也對,你總得邁出第一步吧。對於他來說,他的第一步可能很輕鬆,但是不見得誰都跟他一樣吧?再說,有些錢有的,也不能強求誰都跟他一樣不care這錢怎麼用吧?

donation可以就像扔個錢進捐款箱那麼簡單,也可以很複雜,比如去查找到底donation都幹了些什麼?是肥了某些人的肚腸呢?還是真正去了孩子們的身上?我個人比較care後者。

這不像地震捐款。那是一次性的。像那些孩子們,是需要長時間的幫助,不光是金錢上的,更多的,我想要從社會環境著手,那才是根本的。

但這後者,似乎有點遙不可及。
回復 jadepython 2012-8-23 09:59
i0u: 我同意你的觀點,知行要合一才真正有意義;有知無行不過是空談,有行無知為莽撞。大蛇本身就是知行合一很好的例子,這應該也是他事業小有所成的原因。但所謂的知 ...
呵呵,再講下去,恐怕真成了人生哲學的角度和差異了。

其實我們說的可能不一定是一件事的同一個角度。我這個人比較右,比較看重「術」的作用,龍大概是講「仁」的力量,雲大概是講的是「勢」。

術比較有效,但心術不正就瞬間完菜。
仁是永遠的,但在人性弱點前會前進得很艱苦。
勢,是要時間和耐心積累調整的。

我想可能大家都有道理吧。至於有多少比例的錢被貪了這種想法,俺感性地講過一個老生常談的小故事:

一個孩子在海邊,把退潮滯留在沙灘上的小銀魚一條條扔回到海里。。旁邊的路人不禁問他:傻孩子,這千百萬條小魚,你一條一條扔,有什麼用呢?

孩子沒有吭聲,低頭看著手裡的小魚,輕聲說:

「對這一條有用」。

。。。。

我覺得,雖然要考慮損耗和規避污濁的系統,但是還是盡量希望,對某一個我們未必謀面的不幸中有幸的孩子,有用吧。

再說,哥說過,為善,更多的是修心么,呵呵,咋都不吃虧。
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