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作者:qwxqwsean  於 2011-10-13 05:11 發表於 最熱鬧的華人社交網路--貝殼村

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回復 qwxqwsean 2011-10-17 00:40
smartman: sorry, i have to disagree with you.  i still have to say, i guess, you did not meet the best White law and medical school brains.  if you go to the to ...
千分之一以下的東西,沒啥統計學上的意義。

如果你生活在一個1000人口的美國村子里,你證實了村裡第一的那個「大牛」,其實也是個草包,你就可以給美國下一個最終的定義了。

你不必鑽牛角尖拚命要尋找你心目中的天照大神去崇拜。  實際上,你自以為見到的那些美國的所謂千里挑一以上的人才,也許他們並不是,而是你認錯了。
回復 qwxqwsean 2011-10-17 00:45
smartman: i said, i don't trust gary locke pretends to behave that way.  he is inherently a person of that type.

美國一天天爛下去。
in early 1980s, Zhai Ziyang ...
對比兩個國家,不要去扯制度,美國的制度並不好。

首先可以對比兩個國家的人口,中國有14億平均智商105的人口,美國有3億平均智商100的人口,美國在人口上佔劣勢。

然後對比兩國的自然資源,中國的資源比美國匱乏多了,中國在資源上佔劣勢。
回復 smartman 2011-10-17 02:49
qwxqwsean: 千分之一以下的東西,沒啥統計學上的意義。

如果你生活在一個1000人口的美國村子里,你證實了村裡第一的那個「大牛」,其實也是個草包,你就可以給美國下一個最 ...
you are truly "a frog in the deep well", not being to see the real sky.  smart Whites in top best US schools are not on statistical meanings but in real world.  i strongly recommend you apply to top 5 best schools and go there and meet with them.
回復 smartman 2011-10-17 02:56
qwxqwsean: 對比兩個國家,不要去扯制度,美國的制度並不好。

首先可以對比兩個國家的人口,中國有14億平均智商105的人口,美國有3億平均智商100的人口,美國在人口上佔劣 ...
why is China lag behind in the past 300 years?  it is the system, the systematic problem in China.  do not forget china's best brains are not fully utilized in China and they could be well utilized in the US.

if you think more highly of China than US, why don't you go back to China and enjoy the next 20-30 years in China to enjoy your better time there?

中國有14億平均智商105的人口,美國有3億平均智商100的人口,美國在人口上佔劣勢。

that is a ridiculous arugment.  labor-intensive works makes no difference for 100-IQ or 105-IQ people.  Leadership, scholarship counts.  Why couldn't China cultivate Nobel Laurates?  Where could China find Steve Jobs or Bill Gates?

美國在人口上佔劣勢。  did you notice US has immigrated so many talents from around the world?  China, on the other hand, is curbing population via birth control!
回復 qwxqwsean 2011-10-17 03:22
smartman: you are truly "a frog in the deep well", not being to see the real sky.  smart Whites in top best US schools are not on statistical mean ...
教過我的幾個老師都是號稱全美同行業里名列前茅的,不過如此。

學生很難說有多出色,像我其實在學生時代都夠牛的了,出來根本找不到工作,現在是個流浪漢。 在學生們沒有實際業績的情況下說有多牛,也沒實際意義。

大家都是以成敗論英雄嘛。 我要是指著路邊一個睡大街的無家可歸者說那個流浪漢比你有才華多了,估計你也不削一顧,也懶得問他有哪方面的才華比你強,你可能覺得只要你掙的錢比他多就行了,勢利眼嘛。
回復 qwxqwsean 2011-10-17 04:06
smartman: why is China lag behind in the past 300 years?  it is the system, the systematic problem in China.  do not forget china's best brains are not fully ut ...
來美國的人顯然是沖著錢來的,就像妓女,哪裡賣肉的價格高,就到哪裡去。到美國這個妓院來,收入會比較高
回復 smartman 2011-10-17 07:17
qwxqwsean: 教過我的幾個老師都是號稱全美同行業里名列前茅的,不過如此。

學生很難說有多出色,像我其實在學生時代都夠牛的了,出來根本找不到工作,現在是個流浪漢。 在學 ...
教過我的幾個老師都是號稱全美同行業里名列前茅的,不過如此。
how do you judge their proficiency?  are you, as an undergraduate, in a position to judge their expert knowledge?  no way!  you may judge their teaching skills but not that expert knowledge.

i can hardly agree they are among the best until you can prove.  are they fellows of american academy of sciences or engineering?  or what other evidences?

as I said, the best judgement is students as you intend to comapre students, not professors.  however, even if you judge by professors, you are again not showing sound judgements.

出來根本找不到工作,現在是個流浪漢
that is a society structural problem.  it needs fundamental reform and innovation for the entire country to thrive.  i can understand your pains or agony.  but do not paint the entire country in black due to your personal mishaps.  this country is still a great country and it will turn over in not a very long period.  let us wait and see.

估計你也不削一顧,也懶得問他有哪方面的才華比你強
the point is, can he do my job?  i seldom find anyone including most of my colleagues can do my job as good as i am doing.  as for work or job, i don't need to compare my 才華 with others, though, if i do, i am pretty sure I am superior.  the point is the competency and proficiency to perform and outperform the job requirements.

as a college professor, i frequently told me students, many of my colleagues got laid off during this crisis, but a few really superb experts with great technical skills could easily find several job offers in a few weeks.  if you have solid technical skills and outperform your jobs and collegaues hence are able to answer challenging intevriew questions, you will find a job easily even in today's bleak job market.  now 5 people for 1 position.  many chinese are technical experts.  for them, job search takes no more than 3 months.  i have quite a few friends who have landed a job in 3 months.

compare to your peers.  if your technical skills are outstanding among your peer, you will find a job easily.

when i said you, i did not point fingers to you.  i simply mean any average job seeker or professional in any subject.
回復 smartman 2011-10-17 07:18
qwxqwsean: 來美國的人顯然是沖著錢來的,就像妓女,哪裡賣肉的價格高,就到哪裡去。到美國這個妓院來,收入會比較高
money is part of the reason.  fair opportunity is the key.  otherwise, why don't you go back to china?
回復 qwxqwsean 2011-10-17 20:31
smartman: 教過我的幾個老師都是號稱全美同行業里名列前茅的,不過如此。
how do you judge their proficiency?  are you, as an undergraduate, in a position to judge t ...
你看看我另一個帖子我怎麼評價我在中科院做論文時我的導師。 我在美國的老師,學術上貌似不比我在中國的大學老師強。

學術上的東西,最容易對比了。你看學術可能主要看那個人有什麼文憑職稱。其實學術的東西,類似於武功,打交道一交手幾個回合之內就能估計出對方的功力有多少。悟性差,智商低,見識少,不懂裝懂的人,從一開始就能辨認出來。

又好比你是個圍棋高手,如果和一個不懂圍棋的人下棋,對方一落子,你就看出來他不懂,不懂就是不懂,他如何吹噓自己的職稱收入都是多餘的。

常見有不少在美留學生的貼子,從中國來美留學,剛跟導師乾沒幾個月,就已經知道自己的導師啥也不懂,瞎指揮等等,這類帖子多的是,我就懶得去搜索引用了。
回復 qwxqwsean 2011-10-17 20:40
smartman: money is part of the reason.  fair opportunity is the key.  otherwise, why don't you go back to china?
來美國掙錢的人,大多心態很低下,如果不是為了錢,誰會輕易放棄自己的尊嚴, 輕易卑躬屈膝, 言不由衷,向主子低眉順眼,生怕自己說錯一句話被炒。

美國的公司比中國的公司獨裁多了,在美國打工能體會到民主真是見鬼了。 而所謂的通過選舉體現的國家政治民主,和老百姓沒啥直接關係, 關於美國民主的討論,水平比我高一萬倍的人多了去了,論壇里的相關帖子讀都讀不完。

看看美國的華人,包括留學生,有幾個有自己做為中國人的尊嚴? 為小利企圖融入主流當二鬼子。 把美國的華人比作賣身賣藝的性工作者真的不恰當,因為大部分妓女賣身不賣心,她們的獨立精神是很強的。

你問妓女why don't you go back to china? 這是廢話。
中國的妓女來美國做生意,是因為來這裡鈔票多,不是因為喜歡美國。
回復 qwxqwsean 2011-10-17 20:53
smartman: 教過我的幾個老師都是號稱全美同行業里名列前茅的,不過如此。
how do you judge their proficiency?  are you, as an undergraduate, in a position to judge t ...
從你看不起流浪漢,就知道你的學術精神很差。


很多流浪漢在很多方面比你能力強,或者懂得你不懂的東西。 所謂人家的能力比你強,是指你和人家在等同條件下做相同的事情時,你會做得不如他們好。


馬克思就是個流浪漢。


其他大多流浪漢比不上馬克思,但很多人也有種種的專長。你沒學那個專業,不等於不存在那個專業。

我在雪城認識的幾個流浪漢,一個是在路邊吹喇叭賣藝的,一個會做飛旋標而且做得很漂亮,一個是開過公司當過老闆後來捲入官司破產的,兩個會開小型飛機, 一個能自己創作歌曲,還有幾個是空軍陸軍退伍的,就憑我這麼簡單的描述,你自己估計自己有沒有可能在所有方面都比那些流浪漢強。

你可以說你的收入比流浪漢高,你的職稱比流浪漢高,但不要那麼肯定的說你的能力比流浪漢強。
回復 smartman 2011-10-18 01:14
qwxqwsean: 你看看我另一個帖子我怎麼評價我在中科院做論文時我的導師。 我在美國的老師,學術上貌似不比我在中國的大學老師強。

學術上的東西,最容易對比了。你看學術可能 ...
look, US has over 4000 universities including 1000+ research univs.  so, it is no doubt many professors are so so.  i have never questioned that.  what i intended to stress is, at the best top 5 schools, you will find many outstanding professors and researchers and White students.

又好比你是個圍棋高手,如果和一個不懂圍棋的人下棋,對方一落子,你就看出來他不懂.
how can 一個不懂圍棋的人 judge whether a person 是個圍棋高手?

常見有不少在美留學生的貼子,從中國來美留學,剛跟導師乾沒幾個月,就已經知道自己的導師啥也不懂,瞎指揮等等,這類帖子多的是,我就懶得去搜索引用了。
do i need to emphasize again?  does this situation happen to Harvard medical school professors or Stanford/MIT Computer Science professors?
回復 smartman 2011-10-18 01:25
qwxqwsean: 來美國掙錢的人,大多心態很低下,如果不是為了錢,誰會輕易放棄自己的尊嚴, 輕易卑躬屈膝, 言不由衷,向主子低眉順眼,生怕自己說錯一句話被炒。

美國的公司 ...
來美國掙錢的人,大多心態很低下,如果不是為了錢,誰會輕易放棄自己的尊嚴, 輕易卑躬屈膝, 言不由衷,向主子低眉順眼,生怕自己說錯一句話被炒。

what is the situation in China, when you make a comparison?  just a simple example.  you call your boss first name in US.  in China, you must call him Director XXX.

看看美國的華人,包括留學生,有幾個有自己做為中國人的尊嚴? 為小利企圖融入主流當二鬼子。
what could they do if they go back to China?  they still have to merge into the mainstream, find a job, get it done well, and try to be promoted.

we look for a place and job that we can utilize our talents and knowlegde, regardless you are in US or China.

this country, I meant, US, has a much better record to respect our 尊嚴.  when you go back to China, if a foreigner from a poor country or a poor person from countryside works in a city, e.g., Shanghai, can they get the same 尊嚴as we do here?

There was once a CCTV reporter interviewed me and below are my answers:
Q: Does US has racial discrmination?
A: Of course.
Q: Why don't you go back to China?
A: Do you think China has no discrimination?  NO WAY!  China's discrimination is 100 times severe than US.  Look at how Shanghaiese discriminates non-Shanghaiese.  Look at how City people discriminate countryside people...
回復 qwxqwsean 2011-10-18 01:27
smartman: look, US has over 4000 universities including 1000+ research univs.  so, it is no doubt many professors are so so.  i have never questioned that.  wha ...
網上論壇里中國留學生評論自己的導師的貼子多如牛毛,99.9%的帖子都是以不同方式罵自己的導師白痴。顯然,那些導師們很多是領域裡的大牛。

博導很多都在自己所在的領域在世界範圍名列前茅。 因為做得專了,全世界也沒幾個人懂他們的那個小專業。 這也是我原貼的本意。 即使你的導師和你都很牛,但你們研究的東西,全世界也沒幾個人懂。 實際情況是,博士生做的研究,連他們自己的導師都一知半解。 這就成了屠龍術。
回復 qwxqwsean 2011-10-18 01:30
你如果在美國拿了EE博士,現在如果去東莞某個電子廠當生產線操作工,不但可能吃不
消那裡的工作量,而且也可能因為操作失誤太多,製造次品太多而被罰款乃至開除。
不要被自己現在的工資陶醉了以為自己真的是根蔥,要知道自己有幾斤幾兩。
回復 qwxqwsean 2011-10-18 01:37
smartman: 來美國掙錢的人,大多心態很低下,如果不是為了錢,誰會輕易放棄自己的尊嚴, 輕易卑躬屈膝, 言不由衷,向主子低眉順眼,生怕自己說錯一句話被炒。

what is th ...
關於美國的公司企業里的「民主」,以及地方聯邦政治上的選票「民主」,有無數的資料考證過了。 都是差的。

你是被美國的鈔票迷惑了眼睛,你自己去稱讚美國的民主吧, 我估計給你發薪水的鬼子老闆都不相信公司里或縣州聯邦政府有多少民主。
回復 smartman 2011-10-18 01:38
qwxqwsean: 從你看不起流浪漢,就知道你的學術精神很差。


很多流浪漢在很多方面比你能力強,或者懂得你不懂的東西。 所謂人家的能力比你強,是指你和人家在等同條件下做相 ...
..."你可以說你的收入比流浪漢高,你的職稱比流浪漢高,但不要那麼肯定的說你的能力比流浪漢強"...

how do you measure 能力?  what is the 能力 you meant?  you said, 所謂人家的能力比你強,是指你和人家在等同條件下做相同的事情時,你會做得不如他們好。

Let us look.  I am confident in my expertises and competent in my knowledge.  Can these 流浪漢 do my job if they were in my place?  No way!  That is all I meant.


..."馬克思就是個流浪漢."...
that is a flawed judgement.  Carl Marx did not want to waste time to do an average job for a living.  He believes his misson of high achievments.  Fortunately, Engles recognized his talents and supported Marx's family financially.  That is why Marx did not work to earn bread.  (That is far, far away from a 流浪漢.)  Rather, he studied in BG library and wrote his famous works.
回復 qwxqwsean 2011-10-18 01:41
smartman: ..."你可以說你的收入比流浪漢高,你的職稱比流浪漢高,但不要那麼肯定的說你的能力比流浪漢強"...

how do you measure 能力?  what is the 能力 ...
梵谷也可以算是個流浪漢。

你也可以說我認識的那些流浪漢,從飛機駕駛員到退伍軍人,都是自己拒絕工作,故意流浪的。

你所說的你做的事流浪漢做不了。這基本是廢話,因為很多流浪漢會做的事,你也做不好。 而且我說過了,搞研究專到一定程度,全世界只有你一個人會,你發表論文,即使你故意偽造其中50%的數據, 也沒人知道,因為那東西只有你知道。在這樣情況下,沒辦法和別人對比。

其實我自己也是個流浪漢, 但我是因為找不到工作。
回復 smartman 2011-10-18 01:47
qwxqwsean: 關於美國的公司企業里的「民主」,以及地方聯邦政治上的選票「民主」,有無數的資料考證過了。 都是差的。

你是被美國的鈔票迷惑了眼睛,你自己去稱讚美國的民主 ...
US democractic system is not perfect and has flaws, of course. (I said it in my first posting that this democratic system has flaws).  But it is still far better than almost, if not all, all other systems in the world.

.."我估計給你發薪水的鬼子老闆都不相信公司里或縣州聯邦政府有多少民主。"..
What is your wrong judgement (我估計).  You can not represent others.

Look at how badly mistaken you are when you judge a company's operation.  A company is owned by shareholders who elects a Board of Directors who picks up management.  Management is responsible for performance.  If the performance deteriorates severely, management must step down.  that is company's domocracy.  Company is not managed by majority votes' democracy!  Company is dominated by majority shares!!!
回復 smartman 2011-10-18 01:51
qwxqwsean: 網上論壇里中國留學生評論自己的導師的貼子多如牛毛,99.9%的帖子都是以不同方式罵自己的導師白痴。顯然,那些導師們很多是領域裡的大牛。

博導很多都在自己所 ...
after this posting, I am going to stop, because it is a sheer waste of my time.

again, let me tell you again, when i disagreed with you, i meant, at a few best top schools, you will find many smartest Whites professors and students.

Again, please give me bad examples of Harvard medical school professors or Stanford/MIT Computer Sciences professors?  eh?  Can you give me examples?

博導很多都在自己所在的領域在世界範圍名列前茅。 因為做得專了,全世界也沒幾個人懂他們的那個小專業。 這也是我原貼的本意。 即使你的導師和你都很牛,但你們研究的東西,全世界也沒幾個人懂。 實際情況是,博士生做的研究,連他們自己的導師都一知半解。 這就成了屠龍術。

that is typical laymen's wildest accusations!  If you don't understand, do not downgrade others' IQ.  the entire academic community has expertises to judge.  They would produce results to warrant and their results have to go through vigorous peer reviews and panel judgements.  Besides, it is these scholars whose researches laid foundation and led to Airspace Shuttles, Nuclear Bombs, so on and so forth.  These are solid results that make thius country advanced and great!  No one, I repeat, no one, can deny that!

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