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標題: 這個太逗了：數名與神父有私情的婦女公開信致教皇要求廢除神父不可結婚的規定 [列印本頁]

作者: 在美一方 時間: 2010-5-28 23:35
標題: 這個太逗了：數名與神父有私情的婦女公開信致教皇要求廢除神父不可結婚的規定
Open letter to pope urges end to celibacy
By the CNN Wire Staff
May 28, 2010 10:40 a.m. EDT

The women have urged the pope to revisit what they describe as a man-made law.
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Women post open letter to pope urging abolition of celibacy
Authors claim to have had intimate relations with clergy
Women call celibacy a man-made law that needs revisiting
Vatican has no comment

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Rome, Italy (CNN) -- About a dozen Italian women have posted an open letter to the pope on the internet in which they claim to have had intimate relationships with priests and urge the church to abolish celibacy for Catholic clergy.

The letter was posted on an Italian online forum in March but was not picked up in the media until Global Post, an international news website, reported on it this week.

"The priest, like every human being, needs to live with his kindred, to experience feelings, to love and be loved, and also to conform deeply with another, something which he is hardly willing to do for fear of exposing himself to danger," the letter says.
The group calls celibacy a man-made law that needs revisiting and adapting to the times.

"We wonder if, like all man-made laws, at a certain time, in a certain historic time, it is not the case to discuss it again and change it or even, as we hope, completely abolish it."

Vatican spokesman Federico Lombardi had no comment on the matter Friday.

The letter was endorsed by about a dozen women, only three of whom signed their names. One of them is Stefania Salomone, 42, a single office manager who lives in Rome and said she had a close relationship with a priest for five years.

The relationship was not sexual but platonic, Salomone told CNN Friday. The two were in love, she said, but when the priest admitted his love, he ended their relationship.

Salomone said she was aware of the limits of the relationship when it began, but it was very painful to be "cast aside because of a sense of shame" felt by the priest.

She said she knows of about 40 women who were or are in special relationships with priests. Some are lovers, others "special friends," she said.

There are many more throughout Italy, Salomone said.

Of those 40, about a dozen of them endorsed the idea of the letter, and some even helped her write it, Salomone said. But only three were willing to have their names associated with it, she said.

Another one of the signatories to the letter is Antonella Carisio, who Salomone said had a sexual relationship with a Brazilian priest.

In another posting on the website on which the letter appears, Carisio talked about her affair with the priest, saying they spent a lot of time together and slept together at her house.

The women decided to write the letter after hearing the pope restate the church's position on celibacy in March, she said.
"We decided that it was (time) to make our reality known," Salomone told CNN. "We wanted to tell everybody that we exist and that we are no longer willing to always be silent about it."

The issue of priestly celibacy is not much debated in Italy, she said, but she said that's precisely the problem.

A priest is "just a man like everyone else. This is a good thing. And he should not be deprived of his right to a relationship."

Salomone said she has not heard from the Vatican about the letter and doesn't expect to. "I don't really care, to be honest. They are so preoccupied with other things at the moment. The important thing is to call attention to this problem."

作者: 嘁哩喀喳 時間: 2010-5-29 00:11
現在都講個「人性化啊......」

作者: 在美一方 時間: 2010-5-29 00:59
回復 2# 嘁哩喀喳

是哦，可見神乃是為人所用

作者: hellman 時間: 2010-5-29 06:05
不知道神是什麼意思.打電話問一下.

作者: hellman 時間: 2010-5-29 06:09
回復 2# 嘁哩喀喳

今天看電視劇,聽到個歇後語: 雞蛋殼擦屁股-嘁哩喀喳
我笑了半天,這裡給你也一笑下.

作者: 嘁哩喀喳 時間: 2010-5-29 08:09

回復嘁哩喀喳

今天看電視劇,聽到個歇後語: 雞蛋殼擦屁股-嘁哩喀喳
我笑了半天,這裡給你也一笑下 ...
hellman 發表於 2010-5-29 06:09

作者: 王劍 時間: 2010-5-29 08:13
回復 1# 在美一方

確實應該廢除

作者: sousuo 時間: 2010-5-30 00:39
才衝擊到

作者: 嘁哩喀喳 時間: 2010-5-30 06:51

回復在美一方

確實應該廢除
王劍發表於 2010-5-29 08:13

應該廢除的是整個基督教/天主教。而不僅僅是這麼一條規定。

作者: 同行天路 時間: 2010-5-30 08:24
不當神父就可以結婚了。魚和熊掌要兼得，就有點貪心了。

作者: chico 時間: 2010-5-30 11:48

不當神父就可以結婚了。魚和熊掌要兼得，就有點貪心了。
同行天路發表於 2010-5-30 08:24

基督教的牧師魚和熊掌就都有了

作者: Dhammapala 時間: 2010-5-30 16:01

不當神父就可以結婚了。魚和熊掌要兼得，就有點貪心了。
同行天路發表於 2010-5-30 08:24

只要還俗，就可以名正言順的結婚了，問題可能出在某些人的特殊癖好，非和神職人員私通就不能滿足。神職人員的聖潔形象有時反而是致命的吸引力。

作者: 翡翠 時間: 2010-5-30 16:13
回復 13# Dhammapala

上帝派魔試探一下嘛！
反正沒什麼能試探著上帝這才是上帝的萬能呢。

作者: 在美一方 時間: 2010-5-30 21:32
回復 12# chico

新教

作者: 匿名 時間: 2010-5-30 21:33
回復 5# hellman

西瓜皮擦屁股——墨墨跡跡

作者: 在美一方 時間: 2010-5-30 21:34
回復 13# Dhammapala

你這個說法 == 性感的女人之性感是她們被性侵的因素之一。

作者: 同行天路 時間: 2010-5-31 02:37

只要還俗，就可以名正言順的結婚了，問題可能出在某些人的特殊癖好，非和神職人員私通就不能滿足。神職人 ...
Dhammapala 發表於 2010-5-30 16:01

情慾是很可怕的一件事，D兄可以探討一下嗎？婚姻的對象不應該是宣稱奉獻了的宗教神職人員，包括神父、和尚、拉比、道士，否則不是愛這個人，而是滿足自己的情慾，敗壞這個人的信仰，你說對嗎？

作者: Dhammapala 時間: 2010-5-31 07:46
我不清楚天主教對神職人員還俗的規定如何，但現代社會裡，再多的教規與誓言也不能阻止人還俗結婚吧。佛教的出家門很窄，因為限制不少，例如要得到父母的允許、不能有官司纏身．．．．等等，但還俗的門卻開得很大；僧侶若不樂獨身清修的生活，只要向聽得懂自己語意的人表示還俗，他當下就失去出家人的身分，成為在家人。

作者: 匿名 時間: 2010-5-31 09:10
神鬥不過媳婦

作者: 信仰平等 時間: 2010-6-1 08:23
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神也有媳婦.

作者: yunsousifang 時間: 2010-6-3 17:10
其實創世紀里老大早就吩咐過了,多多繁衍.並認為這是好的.而便雅泯家族作為傳統的祭祀家族,如果不生育,如何能夠維持這唯一被老大允許的祭祀隊伍呢?
而且聖經說了,女人生孩子,有幾天是不潔凈的,那就是說其它時間都是潔凈的,可以隨時參觀訪問的.以色列的男人們就應該好好的根據老大在最最重要的第一章,好好地和女人親近親近.完成老大交給的光榮任務.直到地球崩潰,那個時候,世界末日就真正來到了.主的救贖也就來臨了.
耶穌他老人家還經常參觀學習瑪格達林娜接待來賓的香艷場面呢!要不然他能那麼快地悟道?

所以作為牧師,教皇更應該為人類的楷模,多多地從事創世紀的工作,加速地球崩潰,迎接救主的到來,這一點其實他們在中世紀的時候就做的很好,還經常鼓勵自己的子女相互之間,並參預到子女之間,和自己的女兒辛勤地繁衍著,重溫著亞布拉罕的光榮傳統.哪怕是現在,他們也急不可耐地,恨鐵不成鋼地對未來的花骨朵進行早期的教育,言傳身教,毀人不倦.

只不過沒有提高到理論的高度而已,而是不斷地搜集體驗每個個案,總結實踐的經驗.這種勤勤懇懇,悶聲發大財,俯身甘為孺子驢的精神,那就是對創世紀老大指示的最大的順從.所以這些婦女同志的提議,我們教宗是懶得理會的,我們不是言論家,而是實幹家!　

作者: 匿名 時間: 2010-6-3 20:06

作者: 隔岸觀火 時間: 2010-6-4 20:11

其實創世紀里老大早就吩咐過了,多多繁衍.並認為這是好的.而便雅泯家族作為傳統的祭祀家族,如果不生育,如何能夠維持這唯一被老大允許的祭祀隊伍呢?
yunsousifang 發表於 2010-6-3 04:10

便雅憫是王室家族，不是祭司。祭祀事務由祭司擔當。祭司在利未家族。馬利亞就從利未家族受孕生耶穌的，所以，保羅說他是「大祭司」。

作者: yunsousifang 時間: 2010-6-6 18:16
回復 24# 隔岸觀火

多謝指正，也就是摩西老哥的那個家族，這個家族不從事任何事業，以色列各部眾要負擔他們的生活費用，從而讓他們專心從事神聖的職業。這個家族是要靠自己繁衍的。所以並沒有動搖我的論證。

作者: 匿名 時間: 2010-6-7 05:12
以前耶和華的太太（亞舍拉）給猶太人廢了，我們再重新給他找一個好了。

作者: 匿名 時間: 2010-7-1 11:27
神鬥不過媳婦

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