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佛州人因在工作服上佩戴"神"字樣,被HOME DEPOT開除

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Fla. man says Home Depot fired him over God button
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. – A former cashier for The Home Depot who has been wearing a "One nation under God" button on his work apron for more than a year has been fired, he says because of the religious reference. The company claims that expressing such personal beliefs is simply not allowed.

"I've worn it for well over a year and I support my country and God," Trevor Keezor said Tuesday. "I was just doing what I think every American should do, just love my country."

The American flag button Keezer wore in the Florida store since March 2008 says "One nation under God, indivisible."

Earlier this month, he began bringing a Bible to read during his lunch break at the store in the rural town of Okeechobee, about 140 miles north of Miami. That's when he says The Home Depot management told him he would have to remove the button.

Keezer refused, and he was fired on Oct. 23, he said.

"It feels kind of like a punishment, like I was punished for just loving my country," Keezer said.

A Home Depot spokesman said Keezer was fired because he violated the company's dress code.

"This associate chose to wear a button that expressed his religious beliefs. The issue is not whether or not we agree with the message on the button," Craig Fishel said. "That's not our place to say, which is exactly why we have a blanket policy, which is long-standing and well-communicated to our associates, that only company-provided pins and badges can be worn on our aprons."

Fishel said Keezer was offered a company-approved pin that said, "United We Stand," but he declined.

Keezer's lawyer, Kara Skorupa, said she planned to sue the Atlanta-based company.

"There are federal and state laws that protect against religious discrimination," Skorupa said. "It's not like he was out in the aisles preaching to people."

Keezer said he was working at the store to earn money for college, and wore the button to support his country and his 27-year-old brother, who is in the National Guard and is set to report in December for a second tour of duty in Iraq.

Skorupa noted the slogan on Keezer's pin is straight from the Pledge of Allegiance.

"These mottos and sayings that involve God, that's part of our country and historical fabric," Skorupa said. "In God we trust is on our money."

Michael Masinter, a civil rights and employment law professor at NOVA Southeastern University in Fort Lauderdale, said any lawsuit over religious discrimination might be a tough one to win.

"Because it's a private business, not one that's owned and operated by the government, it doesn't have to operate under the free speech provisions of the First Amendment," Masinter said.

"But we're not talking about religious displays here," he said. "This sounds more like a political message ... Wearing a button of that sort would not easily be described as a traditional form of religious expression like wearing a cross or wearing a yarmulke."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_god_button_home_depot
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 樓主| hellman 發表於 2009-10-29 02:04 | 只看該作者
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sousuo 發表於 2009-10-29 02:38 | 只看該作者
要是反過來呢,基督教又多了一大罪狀。

其實,人家反的真不一定是基督教,而是"教",看把你興奮的。
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 樓主| hellman 發表於 2009-10-29 02:47 | 只看該作者
要是反過來呢,基督教又多了一大罪狀。

其實,人家反的真不一定是基督教,而是"教",看把你興奮的。
sousuo 發表於 2009-10-29 02:38

別給自己找台階下. 如果你佩戴"ONE NATION UNDER JESUS".
你可能認為是信仰,不是宗教,看看人家會不會把你揍爬下.
在美國不許任何具體的宗教在公開場合免費作廣告.
ONE NATION UNDER JESUS 比 ONE NATION UNDER GOD 更是過節老鼠人人喊打.
為什麼? 因為喊打的,我經過研究,發現都是猶太人........
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嘁哩喀喳 發表於 2009-10-29 03:14 | 只看該作者
別給自己找台階下. 如果你佩戴"ONE NATION UNDER JESUS".
你可能認為是信仰,不是宗教,看看人家會不會把你揍爬下.
在美國不許任何具體的宗教在公開場合免費作廣告.
ONE NATION UNDER JESUS 比 ONE NATION UNDER  ...
hellman 發表於 2009-10-29 02:47


嗯,Jesus就是那個過街老鼠嘛。這個倒也貼切。
1)我不能確定有沒有「神」,但是我100%肯定:假如有神,這個神也絕對不會是基督教的那個令人噁心的「神」耶和華/耶穌。
2)基督教的「愛人如己」其實就是X子的貞節牌坊。詳細論證請參見我的博客。
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 樓主| hellman 發表於 2009-10-29 04:27 | 只看該作者
嗯,Jesus就是那個過街老鼠嘛。這個倒也貼切。
嘁哩喀喳 發表於 2009-10-29 03:14



在美國人民討論要不要在學校宣誓時說ONE NATION UNDER GOD 時,主要討論GOD並沒有說明是哪個宗教,所以應該被大家都接受. 攻擊的人主要強調GOD是指基督教上帝
,所以不能用. 基督教辯護時說, ONE NATION UNDER JESUS 才是基督教口號. 單提
上帝應該是所有宗教的上帝. 所以如果說上帝,至少猶太人,穆斯林不反對. 佛教徒
根本不在乎,所以才勉強通過. 其實無神論一直堅持應該用ONE NATION UNDER INDIVISIBLE.
如果說ONE NATION UNDER JESUS猶太人,穆斯林都會反對.
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 樓主| hellman 發表於 2009-10-29 04:30 | 只看該作者
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Criticism of requiring or promoting the Pledge
Main article: Criticism of the Pledge of Allegiance
Government requiring or promoting of the Pledge has drawn criticism and legal challenges on several grounds. Prominent legal challenges have been based on the contention that state-sponsored requiring or promoting of the Pledge is unconstitutional because it violates one or both of the religion clauses in the First Amendment.

Central to challenges in the 1940s were Jehovah's Witnesses, a group whose beliefs preclude swearing loyalty to any power lesser than God, and who objected to policies in public schools requiring students to swear an oath to the flag. They objected on the grounds that their rights to freedom of religion as guaranteed by the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment were being violated by such requirements.

One objection is to the idea that someone who cannot really give consent or understand the Pledge, such as small children, are the people most likely to recite the Pledge everyday.

Another objection states that a democratic republic built on dissent should not require its citizens to pledge allegiance to it; the best way to instill a love of country in young people (if that is the intent of the Pledge) is to teach them about their country without such a compulsion.

Other objections have been raised since the addition of the phrase "under God" to the Pledge in 1954. Many critics contend that a government requiring or promoting this phrase violates protections against establishment of religion guaranteed in the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.

In a 2002 case brought by atheist Michael Newdow, whose daughter was being taught the Pledge in school, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled the phrase "under God" an unconstitutional endorsement of monotheism when the Pledge was promoted in public school. In 2004, the Supreme Court heard Elk Grove Unified School District v. Newdow, an appeal of the ruling, and rejected Newdow's claim on the grounds that he was not the custodial parent, and therefore lacked standing, thus avoiding ruling on the merits of whether the phrase was constitutional in a school-sponsored recitation. On January 3, 2005, a new suit was filed in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of California on behalf of three unnamed families. On September 14, 2005, District Court Judge Lawrence Karlton ruled in their favor. Citing the precedent of the 2002 ruling by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, Judge Karlton issued an Order stating that, upon proper motion, he will enjoin the school district defendants from continuing their practices of leading children in pledging allegiance to "one Nation under God".[10]

In 2004, linguist Geoffrey Nunberg criticized the addition of "under God" for a different reason. The original supporters of the addition thought that they were simply quoting Lincoln's Gettysburg Address. However, Nunberg said that to Lincoln and his contemporaries, "under God" meant "God willing" and they would have found its use in the Pledge of Allegiance grammatically incorrect.[11][12]

A bill — H.R. 2389 — was introduced in Congress in 2005 which, if enacted into law, would have stripped the Supreme Court and most federal courts of the power to consider any legal challenges to government requiring or promoting of the Pledge of Allegiance. H.R. 2389 was passed by the House of Representatives in July 2006, but failed due to the Senate's not taking it up. Even if a similar bill is enacted, its practical effect may not be clear: proponents of the bill have argued that it is a valid exercise of Congress's power to regulate the jurisdiction of the federal courts under Article III, Section 2 of the Constitution, but opponents question whether Congress has the authority to prevent the Supreme Court from hearing claims based on the Bill of Rights (since amendments postdate the original text of the Constitution and may thus implicitly limit the scope of Article III, Section 2).

In 2006, in the Florida case Frazier v. Alexandre, No. 05-81142 (S.D. Fla. May 31, 2006) "A federal district court in Florida has ruled that a 1942 state law requiring students to stand and recite the Pledge of Allegiance violates the First and Fourteenth Amendments of the U.S. Constitution.[13]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance#Criticism_of_requiring_or_promoting_the_Pledge
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sousuo 發表於 2009-10-29 07:02 | 只看該作者
4# hellman

你的閱讀能力被你的偏見攪的真是每下愈況。

我的意思是人家怕任誰都掛個宗教標誌生意就沒得做了。

所以他反對的和信仰無關,和什麼特定的宗教無關,只和和氣生財有關。

可,把話說這麼白,還真沒味道。
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 樓主| hellman 發表於 2009-10-29 08:03 | 只看該作者
4# hellman

你的閱讀能力被你的偏見攪的真是每下愈況。

我的意思是人家怕任誰都掛個宗教標誌生意就沒得做了。

所以他反對的和信仰無關,和什麼特定的宗教無關,只和和氣生財有關。

可,把話說這麼白, ...
sousuo 發表於 2009-10-29 07:02

你這樣描述是十分準確的了.
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天嘗地酒 發表於 2009-10-29 22:25 | 只看該作者
5# 嘁哩喀喳

忘了哪裡了,把Jesus翻譯成野鼠
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天嘗地酒 發表於 2009-10-29 22:27 | 只看該作者
我覺得h說的明白,不知道s在羅嗦什麼
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