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標題: 歷史資料對「雪山獅子旗」的解釋 [列印本頁]

作者: snortbsd 時間: 2008-4-17 16:22
標題: 歷史資料對「雪山獅子旗」的解釋
看歷史資料對「雪山獅子旗」的解釋：
　　　
　　少數西藏分裂主義者所說的「國旗」，指的是那面「雪山獅子旗」。它原來是西藏地方軍隊的軍旗。
　　
　９世紀中葉，吐蕃王朝分裂后，在很長一段時期里，西藏沒有出現正規的軍隊，也就沒有正規的軍旗了。直到１８世紀末葉，清朝在派兵擊退外敵對西藏的入侵后，制定了著名的《欽定藏內善後章程》二十九條。其中第四條規定：「以前前後藏都沒有正規軍隊，用時臨時徵調，不僅缺乏作戰能力，並且造擾人民，為害很大。這次呈請大皇帝批准，成立三千名正規軍隊：前後藏各駐一千名，江孜駐五百名，定日駐五百名。」這支定額為三千的軍隊，就是後來人們常說的「藏軍」。軍隊平時的訓練和作戰的指揮，都離不了軍旗。於是製作了藏軍的軍旗「雪山獅子旗」。這就是所謂「國旗」和「軍隊」的來歷。
　　　
　　原來他們舉的旗子是當時的中央政府清朝政府給西藏地方政府制定的！！！！哈哈，還有此旗子有六道金色的條紋象徵在西藏地區生活的不同的六個民族！中間的獅子象徵當時的中央政府清政府！因為西藏不可能有獅子，那是中央帝國的象徵！就象擺在紫禁城裡的獅子一樣，是中國的象徵！

作者: 他行車 時間: 2008-4-17 17:22
Source?

作者: zjd713 時間: 2008-4-17 17:25

原帖由 snortbsd 於 2008-4-17 16:22 發表
看歷史資料對「雪山獅子旗」的解釋：
　　　
　　少數西藏分裂主義者所說的「國旗」，指的是那面「雪山獅子旗」。它原來是西藏地方軍隊的軍旗。
　　
　９世紀中葉，吐蕃王朝分裂后，在很長一段時期里，西藏 ...

哎，這些藏獨也太節約了阿，都這麼多年了。也不update一下

作者: oc16chan 時間: 2008-4-17 18:10
流亡政府的無恥解釋，wiki上也有。而且wiki英文上只引用了流亡政府的解釋，而中文用的是如樓主的解釋。。我崩潰了。

In the centre stands a magnificent thickly snow clad mountain, which represents the great nation of Tibet, widely known as the Land Surrounded by Snow Mountains.
Across the dark blue sky six red bands spread representing the original ancestors of the Tibetan people: the six tribes called Se, Mu, Dong, Tong, Dru and Ra which in turn gave the [twelve] descendants. The combination of six red bands (for the tribes) and six dark blue bands for the sky represents the incessant enactment of the virtuous deeds of protection of the spiritual teachings and secular life by the black and red guardian protector deities with which Tibet has had connection for a very long time.
At the tip of the snow mountain, the sun with its rays brilliantly shining in all directions represents the equal enjoyment of freedom, spiritual and material happiness and prosperity by all beings in the land of Tibet.
On the slopes of the mountain there proudly stand a pair of snow lions blazing with the manes of fearlessness, which represent the country's victorious accomplishment of a unified spiritual and secular life.
The beautiful and radiant three coloured jewel held aloft represents the ever-present reverence respectfully held by the Tibetan people towards the Three Supreme Jewels (the Buddhist objects of refuge: Buddha, Dharma and Sangha).
The two coloured swirling jewel held between the two lions represents the peoples' guarding and cherishing the self discipline of correct ethical behaviour, principally represented by the practices of the ten exalted virtues and the 16 humane modes of conduct.
The surrounding border of yellow adorning the perimeter represents the spread and flourishing in all directions and times of the purified gold-like teachings of the Buddha.
Furthermore, the side without a yellow border represents Tibet's openness to non-Buddhist thought.[3]

作者: snortbsd 時間: 2008-4-18 04:06
there are two parts of this:

９世紀中葉，吐蕃王朝分裂后，在很長一段時期里，西藏沒有出現正規的軍隊，也就沒有正規的軍旗了。直到１８世紀末葉，清朝在派兵擊退外敵對西藏的入侵后，制定了著名的《欽定藏內善後章程》二十九條。其中第四條規定：「以前前後藏都沒有正規軍隊，用時臨時徵調，不僅缺乏作戰能力，並且造擾人民，為害很大。這次呈請大皇帝批准，成立三千名正規軍隊：前後藏各駐一千名，江孜駐五百名，定日駐五百名。」這支定額為三千的軍隊，就是後來人們常說的「藏軍」。軍隊平時的訓練和作戰的指揮，都離不了軍旗。於是製作了藏軍的軍旗「雪山獅子旗」。這就是所謂「國旗」和「軍隊」的來歷。

i think it is credible but needs to be authenticated, meaning we need to find the source of the origin for the 《欽定藏內善後章程》二十九條, 第四條規定 (not the nowadays' chinese translation) and verify the historical background.

the significance of this is that the flag itself is a proof of the relationships between then central government, qing dynasty and then its regional government, tibet. of course, we need to have the source of the origin to authenticate the proof.

as to the second part:

原來他們舉的旗子是當時的中央政府清朝政府給西藏地方政府制定的！！！！哈哈，還有此旗子有六道金色的條紋象徵在西藏地區生活的不同的六個民族！中間的獅子象徵當時的中央政府清政府！因為西藏不可能有獅子，那是中央帝國的象徵！就象擺在紫禁城裡的獅子一樣，是中國的象徵！

well, didn't specify the resource, but as one explanation different from the explanation put out by the "free tea-bag" groups, we have to trace it and find out where it is from.

作者: snortbsd 時間: 2008-4-18 04:11

原帖由 oc16chan 於 2008-4-17 18:10 發表
流亡政府的無恥解釋，wiki上也有。而且wiki英文上只引用了流亡政府的解釋，而中文用的是如樓主的解釋。。我崩潰了。

In the centre stands a magnificent thickly snow clad mountain, which represents the ...

well, one can make all kind of explanations for the flag. if this flag is used by falung gong, they could come up some incredible explanations. maybe that lion represent that "master li"...

i don't think the explanation (offered by those "free tea-bag") of the flag itself at this moment is significant until we can authenticate the origin of flag design.

作者: ice4t 時間: 2008-4-18 05:42
管他媽的什麼旗幟，鬧分裂的都到美國去鬧。

作者: 我愛月季 時間: 2008-4-18 09:00
我也一直搞不懂為啥有個獅子，原來是中央帝國的象徵。

作者: snortbsd 時間: 2008-4-18 09:43

原帖由 我愛月季 於 2008-4-18 09:00 發表
我也一直搞不懂為啥有個獅子，原來是中央帝國的象徵。

we are not sure about that yet, but the explanation from ZD seems to be very questionable, especially the history of the flag dated back to １８世紀末葉 (the end of 1700s). back then, there is no such thing ZD.

作者: zjd713 時間: 2008-4-18 14:14

作者: yifan98 時間: 2008-4-18 15:22

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