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標題: 威脅王千源的人在犯罪 [列印本頁]

作者: Ai1hua2    時間: 2008-4-13 04:36
標題: 威脅王千源的人在犯罪
威脅人身安全已經構成犯罪。 建議王同學報警。
作者: snortbsd    時間: 2008-4-13 05:38
原帖由 Ai1hua2 於 2008-4-13 04:36 發表
威脅人身安全已經構成犯罪。 建議王同學報警。


though i despise her stance on the issue of china (tibet is a part of china) as she demonstrated in duke university, i agree 100% that she should report any personal threats to the cops, in the states or in china!!!

in fact, i suggest she should call chinese cops for the infringement of personal privacy, pursuit this via legal means!!!

maybe it is her opportunity to help the people of china to build up democratic culture.

[ 本帖最後由 snortbsd 於 2008-4-13 05:40 編輯 ]
作者: ┌.驍堯♂    時間: 2008-4-13 05:43
基本上我估計 她會說 看吧 中國多怎樣怎樣.. 哎....

應該冷靜.....
作者: snortbsd    時間: 2008-4-13 05:58
原帖由 ┌.驍堯♂ 於 2008-4-13 05:43 發表
基本上我估計 她會說 看吧 中國多怎樣怎樣.. 哎....

應該冷靜.....


yeah, but democracy isn't just a governing structure, it is more a culture.

she doesn't seem to be the material for politician.
作者: 青海馬步芳    時間: 2008-4-13 06:00
標題: 自由世界言論自由嘛
為什麼不讓人說話啊,言論自由嘛.難道只許大賴拉媽胡說八道不許咱們講事實擺道理嗎?
作者: snortbsd    時間: 2008-4-13 06:07
原帖由 青海馬步芳 於 2008-4-13 06:00 發表
為什麼不讓人說話啊,言論自由嘛.難道只許大賴拉媽胡說八道不許咱們講事實擺道理嗎?


dude, you can disagree with her view of china, despise her as an person, but you have to respect the law, the law for the personal privacy!!!
作者: rabbit214    時間: 2008-4-13 06:09
原帖由 Ai1hua2 於 2008-4-13 04:36 發表
威脅人身安全已經構成犯罪。 建議王同學報警。



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今天剛註冊的?
作者: CNN達賴    時間: 2008-4-13 06:49
犯你奶個頭的罪呀,逼著我這文明人罵你,王八蛋

報警去呀,告我呀,讓洋鬼子來抓我呀
作者: 自由自在2008    時間: 2008-4-13 07:14
王千源,去死吧,漢奸是這麼下場的,你去查字典
作者: rabbit214    時間: 2008-4-13 07:25

作者: hot111111    時間: 2008-4-13 07:44
自導自演,然後申請綠卡。
作者: jydeng    時間: 2008-4-13 09:06
Though I don't think it's not good to threat her personally or her families. But i think she is shamless: Yes, if you want to stay here, you want green card, no problem. But don't get this by betraying your country. Normally, any country would like to punish its betrayors very seriously.
作者: fsspider    時間: 2008-4-13 09:12
有必要跟漢奸講道理?
收起你的虛偽吧。
作者: lpknx    時間: 2008-4-13 09:19
原帖由 snortbsd 於 2008-4-13 05:38 發表


though i despise her stance on the issue of china (tibet is a part of china) as she demonstrated in duke university, i agree 100% that she should report any personal threats to the cops, in t ...


100% agree with you on this issue
作者: zjd713    時間: 2008-4-13 09:56
原帖由 Ai1hua2 於 2008-4-13 04:36 發表
威脅人身安全已經構成犯罪。 建議王同學報警。


呵呵,最好指示一下她向哪國報警。
作者: 胡雞亂想    時間: 2008-4-13 10:20
我也覺得公布私人資料(家庭住址,電話),和騷擾家人等過激行為不可取。

愛國也得堂堂正正,守法守紀。

得做真君子。。。
作者: harddrive    時間: 2008-4-13 10:21
標題: 因為西藏那樣的情況都不是違法!不過有雙重標準

作者: fhy    時間: 2008-4-13 10:41
原帖由 snortbsd 於 2008-4-13 06:07 發表


dude, you can disagree with her view of china, despise her as an person, but you have to respect the law, the law for the personal privacy!!!


Hey dude, that's your Mafia』s law. US law does not have any restriction on expose others' privacy, if you insist your law has it, please show me. Plus, your law is not approved here.


作者: lovechinaforeve    時間: 2008-4-13 10:45
樓主你不會是王1000元的性夥伴吧,這麼著急的出來威脅大家了!
王漢奸既然敢做漢奸,既然想成為政治家,她的公共場合下的圖片有何不敢被公佈於眾呢,又不是你和王漢奸媾和的艷照,你怕什麼呢?
作者: snortbsd    時間: 2008-4-13 10:52
原帖由 fhy 於 2008-4-13 10:41 發表


Hey dude, that's your Mafia』s law. US law does not have any restriction on expose others' privacy, if you insist your law has it, please show me. Plus, your law is not approved here.

...


dude, it does. if someone expose my private information, i could easily file law suit aginst him/her. but in this case, i don't think she would be covered by us laws. she has to file the case in china, if she wants to pursuit the culprits.
作者: fztutu    時間: 2008-4-13 11:52
如果她回國后,中國的警察會先處理她的賣國分裂行為,還是會先處理她個人隱私被泄露的案件。
作者: SecondEdition    時間: 2008-4-13 12:00
原帖由 fztutu 於 2008-4-13 11:52 發表
如果她回國后,中國的警察會先處理她的賣國分裂行為,還是會先處理她個人隱私被泄露的案件。

應該都不會處理吧。
作者: zjd713    時間: 2008-4-13 12:03
這個無恥的賣國賊就該往死里踩,省得象瘟疫一下去害更多的人
作者: snortbsd    時間: 2008-4-13 12:07
原帖由 SecondEdition 於 2008-4-13 12:00 發表

應該都不會處理吧。


i agree. especially for the case of the infringement of personal privacy, could be a civil case. she has to file the case. otherwise. even she did, it would needs time, evidence and the most important part, money.

but money should not be the problem; she could easily get someone pay for that.
作者: yhys    時間: 2008-4-13 13:19
標題: 同意,
有理有據地對她批評和她辯論是好的,但人身攻擊和謾罵算什麼,那和文革時犯的錯有有什麼不同。那些過激的做法只會讓人不敢講自己心裡的想法,減少民主和參與,中國過去犯這樣的錯誤還少嗎?主席過去也是讓反對者發表意見的。

何況就是漢奸也是可以去團結的,不要把她徹底推向反面。講團結才能勝利,要團結一切可以團結的人。別把事情做絕。

和大家一起, 祝 祖國繁榮富強!
作者: yhys    時間: 2008-4-13 13:20

作者: yhys    時間: 2008-4-13 13:27

作者: 他行車    時間: 2008-4-13 13:30
建議版主把本壇中所有披露私人信息的貼子刪去.
作者: illxw    時間: 2008-4-13 13:48
中國有個叫叛國罪吧!報警當然是可以的,但是不是犯罪,只是違反治安管理條例!開除她的國籍吧
作者: oujianliang    時間: 2008-4-13 13:52
標題: 必須以暴制暴的時候不需要手軟,須知除惡就是行善!
必須以暴制暴的時候不需要手軟,須知除惡就是行善!!!

我想反問這個帖子發起人,你有沒有更好的辦法來解決這種可惡的漢奸行為呢。如果沒有,就不要扣這種帽子,如果有,就自己去行動,也不需要裝什麼忠恕之道!因為每個人都應該為其行為後果負責,沒有誰應該例外!!!
作者: 融融    時間: 2008-4-13 14:20
趕緊去報警.她就知道自己是哪國人了.還以為人家警察也拿你當洋人看
還報警了呢.出國沒幾天吧.
作者: snortbsd    時間: 2008-4-13 14:27
原帖由 融融 於 2008-4-13 14:20 發表
趕緊去報警.她就知道自己是哪國人了.還以為人家警察也拿你當洋人看
還報警了呢.出國沒幾天吧.



well, if you 報警, american cops probably won't deal with it seriously. but if she did, i bet it would be dealt with differently. i got feeling that she is not naive as she appear to be, her background seems to be deeper than it appears to be.

but i am absolutely against the attacks on her personal privacy, especially exposed her personal information on the net . it is absolutely immoral and very likely illegal!!!

[ 本帖最後由 snortbsd 於 2008-4-13 14:33 編輯 ]
作者: 涼泉居士    時間: 2008-4-13 14:55
適可而止吧,趕盡殺絕的架勢過分了。
作者: CNN達賴    時間: 2008-4-13 19:22
不用你們報警了,國內警察已經把這個倒霉孩子記錄在冊了,沒他啥好下場

別整的跟湯維一樣,失了貞節,又挨了封殺
作者: Ai1hua2    時間: 2008-4-13 20:46
標題: 犯罪指的是威脅人身安全,不是單純隱私問題
威脅人身安全在哪個國家都是犯罪。  如果威脅不只是停留在口頭,而有實際行為,比如公開她的個人信息,煽動別人,就已經是犯罪。
如果再有關於王同學遭到傷害的消息傳來,我會考慮聯繫她並提供免費法律服務,或則幫助她取得DUKE的法律服務。
她可以在美國告警,考慮她現在居住美國。
作者: counterGOD    時間: 2008-4-13 20:50
呵呵,給那個婊子提供法律服務?然後呢,把大家都抓起來?現在那個婊子的身份證號碼全世界都知道了,太平洋警察抓得完嗎?有意思
作者: Ai1hua2    時間: 2008-4-13 20:57
標題: 好一個法不責民的心態
可惜最先提供她的信息的人一定是她的同學。除非她們有本事把自己的計算機毀掉,否則ELECTRONIC DISCOVery will show all.
作者: levincn    時間: 2008-4-13 21:00
標題: 漢奸,就不僅僅是犯罪了
恭喜王千源,小小年紀就進了中華漢奸名錄。繼續努力,將來有希望和秦檜、汪精衛齊名。
可我們還是跟歡迎浪子回頭的。
作者: levincn    時間: 2008-4-13 21:03
標題: 版主也許就是幕後黑手
王千源絕對有許多幕後黑手在她周圍。他們不敢公開跳出來,讓小姑娘打頭陣。現在他們開始製造輿論了。
作者: counterGOD    時間: 2008-4-13 21:09
回法律專家Ai1hua2 的話:
毀掉計算機沒什麼很難的阿,硬碟抽出來物力破壞就好了。不會的話我教你
另外呢,我不認為他的同學能知道他一家的身份證號碼。那婊子那麼招搖,好像深怕沒人操他一樣,傻逼都能認出來
作者: anti-nazi    時間: 2008-4-13 21:48
大家這次有聽到柴玲她們亂噴嗎?很難理解啊
作者: sdbzszf    時間: 2008-4-13 22:11
原帖由 anti-nazi 於 2008-4-13 21:48 發表
大家這次有聽到柴玲她們亂噴嗎?很難理解啊

是啊,這次民運分子沒有出來鬧啊!
作者: 青海馬步芳    時間: 2008-4-13 22:31
標題: 柴玲的姘頭王丹有跳出來
原帖由 anti-nazi 於 2008-4-13 21:48 發表
大家這次有聽到柴玲她們亂噴嗎?很難理解啊


王丹3月18號去華盛敦接受人權組織的採訪.把中國政府和中國人罵了狗血噴頭.王丹是支持藏人暴力事件的.別的"民運"份子沒見到有跳出來的.國內有個王小波,贊成藏毒暴力.還發表了公開書
作者: qazwsxqaz    時間: 2008-4-14 05:09
樓主涉嫌同情漢奸引起倍可親網民公憤。
作者: mengjz    時間: 2008-4-14 05:21
標題: 回復 #1 Ai1hua2 的帖子
I want you to shut up! Both you and her can do whatever you like!!!

Shame on both you and that Chinese traitors!


作者: mengjz    時間: 2008-4-14 05:25
標題: 回復 #6 snortbsd 的帖子
What is privacy do you really know?! SHUT UP!! Does CNN respect Chinese government privacy when they make lies to attack them? When CNN talk-show host insulting all the Chinese, where is the law? Don't try be to a dog of western world!

Wish you will never go back to China!!!

Please don't call yourself Chinese any more! You don't deserve that great title! Shame on you!!!



[ 本帖最後由 mengjz 於 2008-4-14 05:28 編輯 ]
作者: jamesaae    時間: 2008-4-14 05:26
一般來說, 這些人背後都有後台, 有人出錢的。 如達賴集團, 藏青會等,,,,當漢奸, 背罵名, 沒那麼點好處,她也不幹。有不少人是圖拿身份的, 如等,,,,,,,
作者: mengjz    時間: 2008-4-14 05:28
標題: 回復 #48 jamesaae 的帖子
100% Correct! Thanks!
作者: snortbsd    時間: 2008-4-14 05:30
原帖由 青海馬步芳 於 2008-4-13 22:31 發表


王丹3月18號去華盛敦接受人權組織的採訪.把中國政府和中國人罵了狗血噴頭.王丹是支持藏人暴力事件的.別的"民運"份子沒見到有跳出來的.國內有個王小波,贊成藏毒暴力.還發表了公開書



they have video clips on youtube. but, sigh, those "民運"份子, including that 王丹 really could not come up anything ...

well, they have to survive, they need the money from NED...

their talks are just so far from reality, just unbelievable.

china has big population, with 0.01% of support, it could make them look good. especially with help of the western medias.
作者: casper219    時間: 2008-4-14 05:48
原帖由 Ai1hua2 於 2008-4-13 04:36 發表
威脅人身安全已經構成犯罪。 建議王同學報警。



你的ID好像有歧義,請斑竹審查!
作者: csLittleye    時間: 2008-4-14 06:16
她是在對中華民族犯罪

[ 本帖最後由 csLittleye 於 2008-4-14 06:18 編輯 ]
作者: 閑散人生    時間: 2008-4-14 06:51
她要是報警,就是死路一條。自絕於人民。
作者: Kuku_Minghan    時間: 2008-4-14 08:22
原帖由 levincn 於 2008-4-13 21:03 發表
王千源絕對有許多幕後黑手在她周圍。他們不敢公開跳出來,讓小姑娘打頭陣。現在他們開始製造輿論了。


目的呢? 害死這個小姑娘?
作者: 社會公眾    時間: 2008-4-14 08:24

作者: norton360    時間: 2008-4-14 08:35
威脅王$1000的人,將會被藏毒送上絞刑架,將會被輪子五馬分屍。傻B,你滿意了吧?
作者: yzwww    時間: 2008-4-14 08:52
記得哪位大俠寫過一篇民國時期槍斃漢奸的帖子,真希望這幾個賣國賊好好看看
作者: tangrongchun    時間: 2008-4-14 09:17
王千源 你個婊子去死  你狗日的妓女  你狗日的不是你媽個好東西
殺 了你狗日的賣國賊全家  我日你媽
作者: tangrongchun    時間: 2008-4-14 09:18
王千源婊子  你狗日的東西不配當中國人  我日你狗日婊子 
作者: Ai1hua2    時間: 2008-4-14 10:12
標題: 諸位莫非是文革鬥士復活
高帽子,髒話,威脅,無所不用。 可沒有理性的爭倫。  不管王同學觀念如何,她至少有勇氣講不中聽的話,哪怕因此受到流氓威脅。 你們這些只會罵娘的人,真有考驗肯定最先當漢奸。
各位也算是有點教育的人,怎麼水平比阿Q還不如?
不能接受不同意見的人,內心必然極度自卑。
當然,真上法庭了,還是有辯護的--精神不正常,偏執狂,等等。 可是不懂法,素質差不能算辯護。
本人當然要回國的,還會觀看奧運開場式。 我為國家作了很多事,不象諸位,令中國人蒙羞。 好在不是每個中國人都這樣滿嘴髒話。
作者: SecondEdition    時間: 2008-4-14 10:29
原帖由 norton360 於 2008-4-14 08:35 發表
威脅王$1000的人,將會被藏毒送上絞刑架,將會被輪子五馬分屍。傻B,你滿意了吧?


作者: Ai1hua2    時間: 2008-4-14 10:32
標題: 就這水平! 難怪不得志,要靠髒話發泄

作者: 方寸    時間: 2008-4-14 10:42
自由有的,聽說她家的玻璃已經被砸了。自由萬歲
作者: sqc    時間: 2008-4-14 10:48
原帖由 方寸 於 2008-4-14 10:42 發表
自由有的,聽說她家的玻璃已經被砸了。自由萬歲



可憐的中國,真是任重而道遠啊
作者: 涼泉居士    時間: 2008-4-14 12:07
原帖由 Ai1hua2 於 2008-4-13 19:12 發表
高帽子,髒話,威脅,無所不用。 可沒有理性的爭倫。  不管王同學觀念如何,她至少有勇氣講不中聽的話,哪怕因此受到流氓威脅。 你們這些只會罵娘的人,真有考驗肯定最先當漢奸。
各位也算是有點教育的人,怎麼水平比阿Q還不如?
不能接受不同意見的人,內心必然極度自卑。
當然,真上法庭了,還是有辯護的--精神不正常,偏執狂,等等。 可是不懂法,素質差不能算辯護。
本人當然要回國的,還會觀看奧運開場式。 我為國家作了很多事,不象諸位,令中國人蒙羞。 好在不是每個中國人都這樣滿嘴髒話。
...


贊同!
作者: chn2004    時間: 2008-4-14 13:07
她是不是拿著中國的護照,如果回國入關估計問題不大的,如再出來,不知會不會碰到麻繁,會讓危害中國安全的人出國嗎?
作者: laona    時間: 2008-4-14 13:25
原帖由 方寸 於 2008-4-14 10:42 發表
自由有的,聽說她家的玻璃已經被砸了。自由萬歲

如果她的父母不支持臟毒,而父母家的玻璃被砸,那對2位老人家不公呀!有事說事,不贊同動武。
作者: 知識分子    時間: 2008-4-14 13:49
標題: 回復 #60 Ai1hua2 的帖子
同意!沒有胸懷接受一點點反面意見,怎麼能夠進步,怎麼能夠讓別人尊重!整天在這裡辱罵威脅一個小女孩,算是什麼本事。有勇氣,有思想的年輕人比你們這些張口閉口髒話的人將來對祖國更有貢獻!
作者: snortbsd    時間: 2008-4-14 14:18
有思想的年輕人比你們這些張口閉口髒話的人將來對祖國更有貢獻


well, it would depend on what kind of 有思想的年輕人. politics and politicians are always based on the platforms of national interests. in the states, thousands of brilliant young people (politicians wanna be) devote themselves to the politics every year. none of them i am aware of would stand on the opposite side of the national interests of the united states.

imagine a politician wanna be american youngster saying that she/he is not so sure the state of california is a part of the united states of america. do you think she/he would have a future in the games of american politics?

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作者: 禁衛軍whj    時間: 2008-4-14 14:35
原帖由 Ai1hua2 於 2008-4-13 04:36 發表
威脅人身安全已經構成犯罪。 建議王同學報警。

對待漢奸格殺毋論,
作者: yifan98    時間: 2008-4-14 22:58
王漢奸比老白菜之流還是強很多,至少人家敢露臉啊!
作者: jennineo    時間: 2008-4-14 23:36
王千源,去死吧
作者: EagleEye    時間: 2008-4-14 23:53
原帖由 zjd713 於 2008-4-12 17:56 發表
呵呵,最好指示一下她向哪國報警。

法輪國。
作者: isabelle9908    時間: 2008-4-15 02:57
嗬,又一個和wqy一樣的漢奸冒出來了
作者: lovechinaforeve    時間: 2008-4-15 10:02
原帖由 Ai1hua2 於 2008-4-14 10:32 發表



王漢奸的同路人,你嚇唬誰呢?你是個什麼東西,網上聲討王漢奸的成千上萬,你去報警你去抓呀,雖說美國素有世界警察之稱,不過也是個流氓無賴警察,你去報警讓它們來抓我呀!還大言不慚地說要給漢奸提供法律援助,我看你不過是和王漢奸王1000元臭味相投狼狽為奸而已,打著道貌岸然的樣子,說不定內心卻是指望打這個漢奸的車也搞張綠卡罷了.如果你是個律師,我估計也不過是塊散發臭氣的驢屎!
作者: lovechinaforeve    時間: 2008-4-15 10:39
原帖由 知識分子 於 2008-4-14 13:49 發表
同意!沒有胸懷接受一點點反面意見,怎麼能夠進步,怎麼能夠讓別人尊重!整天在這裡辱罵威脅一個小女孩,算是什麼本事。有勇氣,有思想的年輕人比你們這些張口閉口髒話的人將來對祖國更有貢獻!



呵呵,還有你這種豬頭,光天化日之下,公然為藏獨分子搖旗吶喊,這還叫做一點點的反面意見!照你這麼說,汪精衛,秦檜也不過是因為持不同意見而已.

我看你如此為漢奸張目,也不過是罵漢奸之聲罵到你的心裡面了!臉紅耳燥之時,忍耐不住發出幾聲犬吠!還知識分子呢,簡直是糟蹋這四個字,雖然你讀書識字,也不過是現代的周作人---走狗文人罷了.

遠看你是個人,近看才發現,你的身軀之上頂的卻是狗頭!這就是你一個自詡"知識分子"的走狗的真面目!


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作者: Ai1hua2    時間: 2008-4-18 01:26
標題: Ms. Wang has retained a lawyer
Chinese Student in U.S. Is Caught in Confrontation
By SHAILA DEWAN
DURHAM, N.C. — On the day the Olympic torch was carried through San Francisco last week, Grace Wang, a Chinese freshman at Duke University, came out of her dining hall to find a handful of students gathered for a pro-Tibet vigil facing off with a much larger pro-China counterdemonstration.

Ms. Wang, who had friends on both sides, tried to get the two groups to talk, participants said. She began traversing what she called 「the middle ground,」 asking the groups』 leaders to meet and making bargains. She said she agreed to write 「Free Tibet, Save Tibet」 on one student』s back only if he would speak with pro-Chinese demonstrators. She pleaded and lectured. In one photo, she is walking toward a phalanx of Chinese flags and banners, her arms overhead in a 「timeout」 T.

But the would-be referee went unheeded. With Chinese anger stoked by disruption of the Olympic torch relays and criticism of government policy toward Tibet, what was once a favorite campus cause — the Dalai Lama』s people — had become a dangerous flash point, as Ms. Wang was soon to find out.

The next day, a photo appeared on an Internet forum for Chinese students with a photo of Ms. Wang and the words 「traitor to your country」 emblazoned in Chinese across her forehead. Ms. Wang』s Chinese name, identification number and contact information were posted, along with directions to her parents』 apartment in Qingdao, a Chinese port city.

Salted with ugly rumors and manipulated photographs, the story of the young woman who was said to have taken sides with Tibet spread through China』s most popular Web sites, at each stop generating hundreds or thousands of raging, derogatory posts, some even suggesting that Ms. Wang — a slight, rosy 20-year-old — be burned in oil. Someone posted a photo of what was purported to be a bucket of feces emptied on the doorstep of her parents, who had gone into hiding.

「If you return to China, your dead corpse will be chopped into 10,000 pieces,」 one person wrote in an e-mail message to Ms. Wang. 「Call the human flesh search engines!」 another threatened, using an Internet phrase that implies physical, as opposed to virtual, action.

In an interview Wednesday, Ms. Wang said she had been needlessly vilified.

「If traitors are people who want to harm China, then I』m not part of it,」 she said. 「Those people who attack me so severely were the ones who hurt China』s image even more.」

She added: 「They don』t know what do they mean by 『loving China.』 It』s not depriving others of their right to speak; it』s not asking me or other people to shut up.」

In a flattering profile in 2006, Ms. Wang was described in a Qingdao newspaper as believing she was 「born for politics.」 She writes poetry in classical Chinese, plays a traditional string instrument called the guzheng, and participated in democracy discussion boards back home, she said.

Ms. Wang said she was not in favor of Tibetan independence, but she said problems could be reduced if the two sides understood each other better.

Since riots in Tibet broke out last month, campuses including Cornell, the University of Washington and the University of California, Irvine, have seen a wave of counterdemonstrations.

When Ms. Wang encountered the two demonstrations last week, the Chinese students seemed to expect her to join them, she said. But she hesitated.

「They were really shocked to see that I was deciding, because the Chinese side thought I shouldn』t even decide at all,」 she said. 「In the end I decided not to be on either side, because they were too extreme.」

Daniel R. Cordero, a member of the Duke Human Rights Coalition and an organizer of the pro-Tibet vigil, said he was handing out literature when Ms. Wang came up and pointed to the counterprotesters.

「She was like, 『Why are you focusing on the Duke students? Let』s have a dialogue with these people,』 」 he said. 「And I』m thinking, oh come on, seriously, that』s not going to help anything.」

Some of Ms. Wang』s efforts to mediate were met by insults and obscenities from the Chinese students.

「She stood her ground; she』s a really brave girl,」 said Adam Weiss, the student on whose back Ms. Wang wrote 「Free Tibet.」 「You have 200 of your own fellow nationalists yelling at you and calling you a traitor and even threatening to kill you.」

At Ms. Wang』s behest, he ultimately spoke to some of the Chinese contingent, finding, he said, that 「we could compromise and say we all wanted increased human rights for all Chinese, and especially for Tibetans.」

Sherry, a Chinese graduate student who declined to give her last name for fear of being harassed, had a less heroic view.

「She claimed she wanted to make communications between both sides, but actually she did nothing before that night. She didn』t communicate with any organizers and actually was just performing,」 Sherry said. But she called the backlash against Ms. Wang 「horrible.」

「There are a few students that are very angry at her,」 she said, 「but there are many others who try to protect her, try to speak for her. Actually, the majority didn』t think she did so wrong to be treated like that.」

She said Ms. Wang had squandered some sympathy when, in an article in The Duke Chronicle, she blamed the Duke Chinese Students and Scholars Association for helping to release her information through its e-mail list.

This week, three officers of the association explained in an open letter that the mailing list was public and called the verbal attacks on Ms. Wang 「troubling and heinous.」 Her personal information and other offensive posts were removed 「once they were brought to our attention,」 the letter said. Student groups criticized the association for allowing them to be posted at all.

Zhizong Li, the president of the association, referred most questions to the university but said that only about a third of the pro-China demonstrators were association members. Duke has just over 500 Chinese students.

Ms. Wang, who has retained a lawyer, said pulling her personal information off the Web was not enough. 「I will be seen as a traitor forever, and they can still harm my parents,」 she said.

But for a woman under threat of dismemberment, she seemed remarkably sanguine — even upbeat.

「My parents are very tolerant to me,」 she explained. 「They were really disappointed in me for a long time, and I persuaded them to think differently.

「If I can change my parents, I can probably change others.」
作者: Ai1hua2    時間: 2008-4-22 11:10
標題: 韓寒:抵制家樂福挺沒出息 是一場民族主義的趕集
韓寒:抵制家樂福挺沒出息 是一場民族主義的趕集

倍可親(backchina.com)  關於這個問題,大家的理由非常的充足,首先家樂福的大老闆如何了,而法國政府如何了,其次不管如何如何,我們的目的是讓國際社會感受到我們的態度,讓某些國家知道我們的力量,讓某些人道歉。

  我想說,道個歉是容易的。但是要改變對我們的態度和想法,似乎很難,而且經歷此事,可能更難。

  為什麼一定是家樂福呢?這沒有一個一定,因為也可能是別的東西,到時候我們也會問,為什麼一定是XXX呢。但官方喜歡抓典型,潛移默化之間,老百姓也已經能抓典型。

  我覺得,抵制家樂福其實挺沒有出息的。對於真正愛國的檢驗應該是需要付出代價的,當你需要承受經濟和生命的損失的時候,你願意為了你心裡的信仰而付出,這是真的。去家樂福鬧鬧,挺沒有腔調的。其他國家侮辱你,你在自己國家為難一個超市,對著這個超市,有人抵制,有人拉橫幅,有人要遊行,有人看熱鬧,還有人用一百元去買小東西,要找光他們的零錢,有人自己降下家樂福的中國國旗,然後拍個照說是家樂福給中國降半旗。我認為這些行為都有點拿不出手,尤其是最後一條,那是猥瑣加惟恐天下不亂了。愛國有的時候是自救,但有的時候是種腔調,我們做的沒腔調。

  當然,你可以指責我說,那你做點有腔調的事情啊,你去圍法國大使館啊,你去法國抗議啊,你去吧炸空客A380啊。關鍵是,我為什麼要這麼做呢。我心裡根本就沒那麼想過。我依然做著我的本職工作,寫好東西,賽好車,一年比一年進步,現在我們拉力水平可以在亞洲比了,讓賽車水平很高的日本人和相對比較高馬來西亞人都刮目相看,而且不輸他們甚至可以戰勝他們,再給一段時間估計我國車手和賽事的水平能趕上歐洲的二流,希望能出現頂尖的代表去何歐洲的頂級車手抗衡……最後的目標就是法國的世界拉力錦標賽之王勒布,不管有沒有這個可能性,這些都是我們在做的。而一些人在做的卻是去搞一個超市,要是你不去搞的,就是和賣國賊。

  外國人說我們兩句,罵我們兩句,我們全國上下急成這樣,而且邊憤怒邊得意,得意的是我們的「民族凝聚力」和「祖國終於強大了,所以一些國家開始害怕我們,企圖分裂我國」。可是我怎麼就沒看見一個讓世界都害怕的國家和民族的國民應有的氣勢呢。你搞家樂福,你很多中國人搞了半天,搞得家樂福里的中國員工也左右為難,然後圍了越來越多的中國人,來幾個壞事的中國人再砸那麼幾下,然後出動一幫中國防暴警察,看到的全是中國媒體的報導,敢情過程里沒出現一個法國人啊。

  我們覺得,支持我們的,誇獎我們的,就是我們的朋友,反對我們的,貶低我們的,就是我們的敵人。這個是非觀未免太簡單了和太看重自己的面子了。

  我們的民族自尊心怎麼那麼脆弱和表面呢。人家說你是暴民,你就把人家罵一通恨不能打一通,然後說,我們不是暴民。這就好比小明說你是笨蛋,你就對著小明女朋友的弟弟的狗舉個大牌子,上面寫,我不是笨蛋。這個訊息的確會反饋給小明,但小明依然覺得你是個笨蛋,你像你覺得自己很委屈,而小明其實更加笨一樣。

  到了今天,有一個讓人難過的傾向,就是我們幾乎沒有正方反方,你就是要表態,你抵制不抵制,你如果抵制,好樣的,你是中國人,你站對了隊伍,你如果不抵制,你就是,你如果不表態,你也是一個孫子。不知道這時候法國政府開放對抵制家樂福的中國人的入籍申請,會有多少人想去法國做卧底?

  我覺得,現在的情況就是:家樂福就像一個充氣娃娃,讓一幫人抱著發泄,一方面可能的確平時活得太壓抑,要找個沒什麼代價的出口。一方面邊發泄還要邊問這充氣娃娃和充氣娃娃的製造商,我強不強啊,我強不強啊,看見旁邊那些對於搞充氣娃娃沒興趣的人還指責他們性無能。

  五月一號會發生什麼事情,反正你我都不知道。但我真的懷疑大家的內心是否真的那麼憤怒,還是大家很久沒有行游和會集了?參加行游很好玩吧,趕去會集很熱鬧吧?愛國主義庇護下的行游和會集又很安全吧?如果你真的不能忍受,覺得現在的情況等同於八國聯軍侵略,是國難當頭,是形勢危急,是四面楚歌,而解決的辦法就是必須對著超市抗議,那麼我也尊重你,我最終也能理解你的情懷。就怕你是個趕集的。




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