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Stephen Owen's "The Poetry of the Early T'ang (1977)"[/SIZE]
***Stephen Owen, professor of East Asian Studies, Harvard University

In this essay, I will review the main viewpoints of the book " The Poetry of
the Early Tang" written by Stephen Owen. These main viewpoints are court
poetry, its opposition poetics, and important poets of the Early Tang. In the
end of this report, the summary and the arguments will be given.

Stephen Owen's "The Poetry of the Early T'ang (1977)"chronologically,
systematically studied the whole poetry of the Early Tang. He solved the
following problems:

What process was that the Regulated Verse, as Recent  Poem, was
formulated and gradually became a unified ? Why the "old " poem,
especially seven characters old  poem, became popular in High Tang and
Middle Tang and evolved into fixed  away from court poetry through
numerous tries and considerable reforms by the Early Tang poets? What kind of
the historical positions have the Early Tang's poets such as the Four Talents
of the Early Tang, Chen Tze-ang, Tu shen-yen, Shen Chuan-chi, and Sung Chih-
wen? What characteristics are there in Court Poetry and its opposition
poetics?

What is court poetry? 宮廷詩

Court poetry is the poetry referred to later Southern Dynasties, Sui, and
Early Tang (page 1). Court poetry mainly has two s-t-y-l-e-s (this word has been screened out by this website, it bacomes S)[/COLOR] . One is the imitation
of folk lyrics, Yuefu. The other is the formal occasional poem (page5). Court
poetry has the following characteristics and conventions (page 5-13):

作者: 原野一郎 時間: 2006-1-8 09:12
Very good indeed!

作者: 原野一郎 時間: 2006-1-8 09:16
It is good to put in these of your good stuff, which will for sure edify your scholastic status.

作者: 原野一郎 時間: 2006-1-8 09:20
Dear montreal, I didn't know of it whatsoever you are actually good at (writing) poem and poetry. Wow, that is truly fabulous.

作者: montrealer 時間: 2006-1-8 12:28
Dear 原野一郎 :

I am only a librarian whose expertise is selecting a book, writing summary and abstracting.

Thanks,

Montrealer

作者: montrealer 時間: 2006-1-10 09:46
The book gives us the whole picture of the poetry of Early Tang. The
conventions of the poetry of the Early Tang provided poets in High Tang with a
set of composition skills and forms. The poets of the High Tang increased
their individuality and other structural principles. Although there are
differences between the two periods, no evidence shows absolute isolation
existing between them.

作者: montrealer 時間: 2006-1-10 09:47
In contrast, most poets in High Tang inherited the
composition techniques of the Early Tang and developed these skills for their
own purposes.

作者: montrealer 時間: 2006-1-10 09:57
formulated and gradually became a unified s-t-y-l-e

作者: montrealer 時間: 2006-1-10 10:03
Stephen Owen's "The Poetry of the Early T'ang (1977)"
***Stephen Owen, professor of East Asian Studies, Harvard University

In this essay, I will review the main viewpoints of the book " The Poetry of
the Early Tang" written by Stephen Owen. These main viewpoints are court
poetry, its opposition poetics, and important poets of the Early Tang. In the
end of this report, the summary and the arguments will be given.

Stephen Owen's "The Poetry of the Early T'ang (1977)"chronologically,
systematically studied the whole poetry of the Early Tang. He solved the
following problems:

What process was that the Regulated Verse, as Recent Poem, was
formulated and gradually became a unified s-t-y-l-e? Why the "old " poem,
especially seven characters old poem, became popular in High Tang and
Middle Tang and evolved into fixed s-t-y-l-e away from court poetry through
numerous tries and considerable reforms by the Early Tang poets? What kind of
the historical positions have the Early Tang's poets such as the Four Talents
of the Early Tang, Chen Tze-ang, Tu shen-yen, Shen Chuan-chi, and Sung Chih-
wen? What characteristics are there in Court Poetry and its opposition
poetics?

What is court poetry? 宮廷詩

Court poetry is the poetry referred to later Southern Dynasties, Sui, and
Early Tang (page 1). Court poetry mainly has two s-t-y-l-e-s. One is the imitation
of folk lyrics, Yuefu. The other is the formal occasional poem (正規應制詩) (page5). Court
poetry has the following characteristics and conventions (page 5-13):

作者: montrealer 時間: 2006-1-10 10:26
Why you block the word s-t-y-l-e?[/SIZE]

作者: Adelyn 時間: 2006-1-10 15:33
montrealer, i didn't block the word. this is what happened:

Backchina's text editor has two "taboo" words, S$tyle and a@fraid, seemingly a result of random choice. all our postings suffered from this censorship. every time when i wanted to post, i would have to manually search for the taboo words with microsoft notepad's FIND function. a pain in the neck.

作者: Adelyn 時間: 2006-1-10 17:09
for your consideration:

In this essay, I will review the main viewpoints of the book " The Poetry of the Early Tang" written by Stephen Owen. These main viewpoints are court poetry, its opposition poetics, and important poets of the Early Tang. In the end of this report, the summary and the arguments will be given.

>> Viewpoint: a position from which something is considered or evaluated.

>> (a tentative revision) In this essay, I will provide a review of the book "The Poetry of the Early T'ang" authored by Stephen Owen. I will take court poetry and its opposition poetics as my main subjects for evaluation and will pay special attention to important poets of the Early Tang. In the end, a summary will be given together with appropriate arguments.

Stephen Owen's "The Poetry of the Early T'ang (1977)"chronologically, systematically studied the whole poetry of the Early Tang. He solved the following problems:

>> it would be easier for the readers to follow if the grammatical subjects can be kept consistent going from the first to the second sentences.

>> (a tentative revision) In his book "The Poetry of the Early T'ang (1977)", author Stephen Owen presented chronologically results of a systematic study of the whole poetry over the Early Tang time period, and offered satisfactory answers to the following outstanding questions:

作者: montrealer 時間: 2006-1-10 23:38
and offered satisfactory[/COLOR] answers to the following outstanding[/COLOR] questions:

--- usually we don't add any adjective words in summaries.

作者: montrealer 時間: 2006-1-10 23:41
I will provide a review [/COLOR] of the book "The Poetry of the Early T'ang" authored by Stephen Owen. I will take court poetry and its opposition poetics as my main subjects for evaluation and will pay special attention to important poets of the Early Tang. In the end, a summary will be given together with appropriate arguments.

--- reviewing viewpoints is different from providing a review. This is a summary not a review. If I write a review, it is more critical (you have to agree or disagree with author's points and give your evidences and study results to support your own points ) . Please find a book about how to write a review.

作者: montrealer 時間: 2006-1-10 23:49
writing summary, abstract and review is basic professional skill for graduate student of Arts and Huamanities in North Amercian university, especially for Library and Information Studies.

作者: montrealer 時間: 2006-1-11 00:02
chronological results (results) of a systematic study != chronologically study (method),
I advised you to loan the book from library in another thread. It is the book about poems and poets.

作者: montrealer 時間: 2006-1-11 06:10
All arguements should be supported by evidences. But in this report, I didn't do that because I didn't have time to do such a research and this was an assignment of one class that the professor didn't require so strictly.

作者: montrealer 時間: 2006-1-11 06:12
It was very good, I got A-. (excellent A, very good, A-, good, B+, general, B, not bad (so-so), B-, below B- is regarded as FAILURE for graduate student).

作者: montrealer 時間: 2006-1-11 06:19
few people got A+ (super)

作者: montrealer 時間: 2006-1-11 06:23
A+ above 90%
A 85-90
A- 80-84
B+ 75-79
B 70-74
B- 65-69

作者: montrealer 時間: 2006-1-11 06:29
So if people say " Your English is good" ; "Your service is good" ; " it is good" , you don't need to feel to be flattered. It is very general in western countries.

作者: Adelyn 時間: 2006-1-11 14:53
送交者: montrealer 01/10/06, 23:38
引用:
and offered satisfactory[/COLOR] answers to the following outstanding[/COLOR] questions:
--- usually we don't add any adjective words in summaries.

please would you help me clarify the following two points?
(1) you didn't indicate who are "we" in your comment. do you refer "we" to you and you classmates following your professor and the rules he made for you?
(2) now here is your own writing: "He solved the following problems:" would you please explain to me why you believe that the author has "solved" some problems in the history of poetry during the Early Tang? [U]especially, what do you mean by "solve"[/U]?[/COLOR]

#14
送交者: montrealer 01/10/06, 23:41
引用:
I will provide a review[/COLOR] of the book "The Poetry of the Early T'ang" authored by Stephen Owen. I will take court poetry and its opposition poetics as my main subjects for evaluation and will pay special attention to important poets of the Early Tang. In the end, a summary will be given together with appropriate arguments.
--- reviewing viewpoints is different from providing a review. This is a summary not a review. If I write a review, it is more critical (you have to agree or disagree with author's points and give your evidences and study results to support your own points ) . Please find a book about how to write a review.

yes. it is my mistake. thank you for pointing it out. actually i was [U]misled[/U] by the title of your posting. your title is "我以前寫的[U]有關初唐詩一書的概要[/U]" which suggests [U]a summary of the book[/U]. now, you have clarified that it is not a book review but a summary of your reading of the author's viewpoints. i understand there is a significant difference between reviewing a book and summarizing the author's views contained in one of his books. you may have given yourself too many credits for an attempt to impress.

now you have explained that yours is a summary and your main task is to provide, and argue to support, your views that can be in agreement or disagreement with the author's. i wonder why you didn't use "examine" in the place of review or summarize. with the information you provided, i have a new tentative version "I will examine the viewpoints author Stephen Owen presented in his book..." that can be an alternative to yours.[/COLOR]

[B]review:[/B]
5 : to go over or examine critically or deliberately: as a obsolete : to subject to revision (as a manuscript before printing or a book for a new edition) b : to go over with critical examination in order to discover excellences or defects; also : to give a critical examination of <review a new novel>
citation: "review." Webster's Third New International Dictionary, Unabridged. Merriam-Webster, 2002. http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com (10 Jan. 2006).[/FONT] [/COLOR]

#15
送交者: montrealer 01/10/06, 23:49
writing summary, abstract and review is basic professional skill for graduate student of Arts and Huamanities in North Amercian university, especially for Library and Information Studies.

thank you for the information.[/COLOR]

#16
送交者: montrealer 01/11/06, 00:02
chronological results (results) of a systematic study != chronologically study (method),
I advised you to loan the book from library in another thread. It is the book about poems and poets.

thank you for pointing out the difference. but i would like to mind you that you misquoted my words. the following is a reprint of my original words:[/COLOR]

[INDENT]引用:
Stephen Owen's "The Poetry of the Early T'ang (1977)"chronologically, systematically studied the whole poetry of the Early Tang. He solved the following problems:

>> it would be easier for the readers to follow if the grammatical subjects can be kept consistent going from the first to the second sentences.
>> (a tentative revision) In his book "The Poetry of the Early T'ang (1977)", author Stephen Owen presented chronologically results of a systematic study of the whole poetry over the Early Tang time period, and offered satisfactory answers to the following outstanding questions:[/COLOR] [/INDENT]

please note that, here, i printed "author Stephen Owen presented chronologically results of a systematic study of the whole poetry over the Early Tang time period". according to the merriam webster, chronological refers to an order of time. the dictionary gives two examples "chronological tables" and "chronological age". the first is an arrangement in order of time and the second is a classification in units of time.

back to your reading report, where you have said "Owen's (book) chronologically, systematically studied..." i am not sure if a book can really study but let's put this issue aside for now. you have used two adjectives in parallel to modify "study". i assume you do mean it that chronologically and systematically can be applied separately to the verb study. that is, "chronologically studied" and "systematically studied" each would make good sense.

what does "chronologically studied (the whole poetry of the Early Tang)" mean?  can i interpret it as an approach that classifies the subjects according to time units, and follows the lead of temporal relations between the subjects in different time units?

it is difficult to know how exactly the author approached to his subjects in the study, whether it was temporal or spatial, or the author might well have chosen a more suitable approach: a systematic study with results presented chronologically. therefore, in case the book does want to speak for itself, i have found here an alternative version for it: (Owen's book) presented a systematic study of the whole poetry of the Early Tang in a chronological manner.[/COLOR]

[B]chronological:[/B] relating to or dealing with chronology : arranged in order of time <chronological tables> : reckoned in units of time <chronological age>
- chronologically
citation: "chronological." Webster's Third New International Dictionary, Unabridged. Merriam-Webster, 2002. http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com (10 Jan. 2006).[/FONT] [/COLOR]

#17
送交者: montrealer 01/11/06, 06:10
All arguements should be supported by evidences. But in this report, I didn't do that because I didn't have time to do such a research and this was an assignment of one class that the professor didn't require so strictly.

thank you for the clarification that this report, your examination of the author's viewpoints, is a subjective review which is not fully supported by sound arguments or solid evidence or both.[/COLOR]

#18
送交者: montrealer 01/11/06, 06:12
It was very good, I got A-. (excellent A, very good, A-, good, B+, general, B, not bad (so-so), B-, below B- is regarded as FAILURE for graduate student).

congratulations.[/COLOR]

#19
送交者: montrealer 01/11/06, 06:19
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few people got A+ (super)

i would like to read their reports and essays. i am more interested in what the best would write.[/COLOR]

送交者: montrealer 01/11/06, 06:29
So if people say " Your English is good" ; "Your service is good" ; " it is good" , you don't need to feel to be flattered. It is very general in western countries.

thank you for your explanation.[/COLOR]

作者: montrealer 時間: 2006-1-12 08:36
送交者: montrealer 01/10/06, 23:38
引用:
and offered satisfactory answers to the following outstanding questions:
--- usually we[/COLOR] don't add any adjective words in summaries.

**** we --- students of library and information studies. I stated in previous post that writing summaries is a basic skill for "we".[/COLOR]
please would you help me clarify the following two points?
(1) you didn't indicate who are "we" in your comment. do you refer "we" to you and you classmates following your professor and the rules he made for you?
(2) now here is your own writing: "He solved the following problems:" would you please explain to me why you believe that the author has "solved" some problems in the history of poetry during the Early Tang? especially, what do you mean by "solve"?

**** if you read the book, the author says he solved ... problems in several places. WE just indirectly cited his words. in addition, WE LIBRARIANS have professional skills to understand a book clearly after reading it. A resaerch ( book ) must solve some problems and have some conclusions. It is common knowledge.[/COLOR]

#14
送交者: montrealer 01/10/06, 23:41
引用:
I will provide a review of the book "The Poetry of the Early T'ang" authored by Stephen Owen. I will take court poetry and its opposition poetics as my main subjects for evaluation and will pay special attention to important poets of the Early Tang. In the end, a summary will be given together with appropriate arguments.
--- reviewing viewpoints is different from providing a review. This is a summary not a review. If I write a review, it is more critical (you have to agree or disagree with author's points and give your evidences and study results to support your own points ) . Please find a book about how to write a review.

yes. it is my mistake. thank you for pointing it out. actually i was misled by the title of your posting. your title is "我以前寫的有關初唐詩一書的概要=總結[/COLOR](摘要abstract)" which suggests a summary of the book. now, you have clarified that it is not a book review but a summary of your reading of the author's viewpoints. i understand there is a significant difference between reviewing a book and summarizing the author's views contained in one of his books. you may have given yourself too many credits for an attempt to impress.

now you have explained that yours is a summary and your main task is to provide, and argue to support, your views that can be in agreement or disagreement with the author's.[/COLOR] i wonder why you didn't use "examine" in the place of review or summarize. with the information you provided, i have a new tentative version "I will examine [/COLOR] the viewpoints author Stephen Owen presented in his book..." that can be an alternative to yours.---- I say [/COLOR] "If I write a review(書評)[/COLOR][/COLOR], it is more critical[/COLOR] 解釋為什麼critical? (you have to agree or disagree with author's points and give your evidences and study results to support your own points )[/COLOR]" NOT REFER TO SUMMARY!

review:
5 : to go over or examine critically or deliberately: as a obsolete : to subject to revision (as a manuscript before printing or a book for a new edition) b : to go over with critical examination in order to discover excellences or defects; also : to give a critical examination of <review a new novel>
citation: "review." Webster's Third New International Dictionary, Unabridged. Merriam-Webster, 2002. http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com (10 Jan. 2006).

**** please understand writing review (寫書評)[/COLOR] (two words, academic definition, please refer to some books about "how to write a review" ) is different from the verb "review" (defined by dictionaries).[/COLOR]

***** I didn't examine. I will review (回顧) the mainpoints of the book. in order to avoid your misunderstanding, I will use another word " recite"(複述).[/COLOR]

#15
送交者: montrealer 01/10/06, 23:49
writing summary, abstract and review is basic professional skill for graduate student of Arts and Huamanities in North Amercian university, especially for Library and Information Studies.

thank you for the information.

#16
送交者: montrealer 01/11/06, 00:02
chronological results (results) of a systematic study != chronologically study (method),
I advised you to loan the book from library in another thread. It is the book about poems and poets.

thank you for pointing out the difference. but i would like to mind you that you misquoted my words. the following is a reprint of my original words:

引用:
Stephen Owen's "The Poetry of the Early T'ang (1977)"chronologically, systematically studied the whole poetry of the Early Tang. He solved the following problems:

>> it would be easier for the readers to follow if the grammatical subjects can be kept consistent going from the first to the second sentences.
>> (a tentative revision) In his book "The Poetry of the Early T'ang (1977)", author Stephen Owen presented chronologically results of a systematic study [/COLOR] of the whole poetry over the Early Tang time period, and offered satisfactory answers to the following outstanding questions:

**** still diffrent. presented chronologically indicates stated or narrated in a way (writing method or skills) , but different from study methodology (Research method).[/COLOR]

please note that, here, i printed "author Stephen Owen presented chronologically results of a systematic study of the whole poetry over the Early Tang time period". according to the merriam webster, chronological refers to an order of time. the dictionary gives two examples "chronological tables" and "chronological age". the first is an arrangement in order of time and the second is a classification in units of time.

back to your reading report, where you have said "Owen's (book) chronologically, systematically studied..." i am not sure if a book can really study but let's put this issue aside for now. you have used two adjectives in parallel to modify "study". i assume you do mean it that chronologically and systematically can be applied separately to the verb study. that is, "chronologically studied" and "systematically studied" each would make good sense.

what does "chronologically studied (the whole poetry of the Early Tang)" mean? can i interpret it as an approach that classifies the subjects according to time units, and follows the lead of temporal relations between the subjects in different time units?

it is difficult to know how exactly the author approached to his subjects in the study, whether it was temporal or spatial, or the author might well have chosen a more suitable approach: a systematic study with results presented chronologically. it is difficult to know how exactly the author approached to his subjects in the study, whether it was temporal or spatial, or the author might well have chosen a more suitable approach: a systematic study with results presented chronologically. therefore, in case the book does want to speak for itself, i have found here an alternative version for it: (Owen's book) presented a systematic study of the whole poetry of the Early Tang in a chronological manner.

chronological: relating to or dealing with chronology : arranged in order of time <chronological tables> : reckoned in units of time <chronological age>
- chronologically
citation: "chronological." Webster's Third New International Dictionary, Unabridged. Merriam-Webster, 2002. http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com (10 Jan. 2006).

*******This book was the author's reaserch results of many years. He stated his methodlogy in his book. If you read his book, you would find it. In addition, as a librarian, he is regarded as he has the expertise to summerize the author's methodology. However, regarding to the reasearch results, before he does his own research, he only recites author's points and will not comment the author's points good or bad.[/COLOR]

"presented a systematic study [/COLOR] of the whole poetry of the Early Tang in a chronological manner (two sets of words, oralized form, not academic form).[/COLOR] "

***** If you take the course of academic writing [/COLOR] or find this book, it will tell you that if you can state one thing in one word, you never use a set of words.
"chronologically, systematically studied (three[/COLOR] words, simplicitely summerizes the method)

[/COLOR]

作者: montrealer 時間: 2006-1-12 08:58
In the introduction of my thesis, I listed my research method. The author must state it in his research paper.[/COLOR]

Introduction
1.Introductory
Since 1949, China has made impressive achievements in many fields of science and technology. ......
In order to analyze China』s science and technology policy, in particular, the implementation of technology transfer, the thesis consists of six chapters. The introduction states the rationales and the objectives of the research, which involve the research method and resources used in this thesis. The first chapter addresses historical development of science and technology policy. In this part, the segment before 1984 will be periodized with an explanation of technology policy in each of the periods. It briefly introduces Pre-1949 Patterns, Soviet Influence in the 1950』s, "Reds" Versus "Experts" in the 1950s and 1960s, the Cultural Revolution 1966-1976, and Rehabilitation and Rethinking, 1977-84. The second chapter focuses on Science and Technology in the 1980』s and 1990』s, including the Supply of Skilled Manpower, Research Institutes, National Organization and Administration, Integration of Administrative Systems, and International Ties. The third chapter evaluates the Shortcomings of the Science and Technology System Before the Reforms, The 「863」 Project, Readjustment Policy in the 1990』s, and Innovation and Customization of Science and Technology in the late 1990』s and 2000. The fourth chapter places emphasis on the Policy, Modes and Linking with Economics of Technology Transfer. The fifth chapter will study a case of technology transfer. In the last Chapter I will present my own views and a comprehensive conclusion.

2. Research Method and Resources

In order to fulfill the requirements for this thesis, I shall combine historical phase review method with case study [/COLOR] to state the policy of China』s science and technology and the implementation of technology transfer. Resources are from books, journals, newspapers, government』s documents, web sites, related firm documents, agreements, faxes, e-mails and personal files.

It is important to note one are of technology transfer that is excluded from this study; China』s investment in enterprises in foreign countries aimed at technology acquisition and know how, such as the copper industry in Chile. Data are simply to be fragmented at this time. I shall also leave non-addressed the issue of whether or not China has acquired technology via the process of reverse engineering.

作者: montrealer 時間: 2006-1-12 09:55
送交者: montrealer 01/11/06, 06:19
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few (almost =0)[/COLOR] people got A+ (super)

i would like to read their reports and essays. i am more interested in what the best would write.

******* In my university, each student has the right to choose his own topic. However, at the same time, the professor wouldn't like to see that two students do the same work on the same book except those team work assignment. I was the only one student to select this book as my assignment.[/COLOR]

作者: montrealer 時間: 2006-1-12 10:03
#17
送交者: montrealer 01/11/06, 06:10
All arguements should be supported by evidences. But in this report, I didn't do that because I didn't have time to do such a research and this was an assignment of one class that the professor didn't require so strictly.

thank you for the clarification that this report, your examination of the author's viewpoints, is a subjective review [/COLOR] which is not fully supported by sound arguments or solid evidence or both.

I will argue here,
besides the development of the literary and poets, politics, economy,
military, and other Asian culture import might have produced some influences on the
changes of the poetry of Early Tang to High Tang.

If you read my argument, you will find that I argue "politics, economy,
military, and other Asian culture import" which all these contents were not included in this book and in author's research. The author only studied "the development of the literary (poems) and poets". My summary was written in a way without bias.[/COLOR]

作者: montrealer 時間: 2006-1-12 10:30
what does "chronologically studied (the whole poetry of the Early Tang)" mean? can i interpret it as an approach that classifies the subjects (I　prefer to use "objects", here refer to poems and poets 研究對象,chronologically宮廷詩的演變從隋到初唐，從樂賦到七字八行律詩，五字詩．．．到中唐，盛唐，the author published another two books respectively describing the poetry of "Middle Tang" and " High Tang") [/COLOR] according to time units (historial phases)

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well, you may say that again.

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and follows the lead of temporal relations between the subjects in different time units[/COLOR]
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Could you give me some specific examples? I didn't get it.

作者: Adelyn 時間: 2006-1-12 16:23

and offered satisfactory[/COLOR] answers to the following outstanding[/COLOR] questions:
--- usually we[/COLOR] don't add any adjective words in summaries.

**** we --- students of library and information studies. I stated in previous post that writing summaries is a basic skill for "we".[/COLOR]

**** if you read the book, the author says he solved ... problems in several places. WE just indirectly cited his words. in addition, WE LIBRARIANS have professional skills to understand a book clearly after reading it. A resaerch ( book ) must solve some problems and have some conclusions. It is common knowledge.[/COLOR]

**** please understand writing review (寫書評)[/COLOR] (two words, academic definition, please refer to some books about "how to write a review" ) is different from the verb "review" (defined by dictionaries).[/COLOR]

***** I didn't examine. I will review (回顧) the mainpoints of the book. in order to avoid your misunderstanding, I will use another word " recite"(複述).[/COLOR]

**** still diffrent. presented chronologically indicates stated or narrated in a way (writing method or skills) , but different from study methodology (Research method).[/COLOR]

*******This book was the author's reaserch results of many years. He stated his methodlogy in his book. If you read his book, you would find it. In addition, as a librarian, he is regarded as he has the expertise to summerize the author's methodology. However, regarding to the reasearch results, before he does his own research, he only recites author's points and will not comment the author's points good or bad.[/COLOR]

"presented a systematic study [/COLOR] of the whole poetry of the Early Tang in a chronological manner (two sets of words, oralized form, not academic form).[/COLOR] "

***** If you take the course of academic writing [/COLOR] or find this book, it will tell you that if you can state one thing in one word, you never use a set of words.
"chronologically, systematically studied (three[/COLOR] words, simplicitely summerizes the method)
[/COLOR]

look at these. all you have said is trivial, nitpicking, and self-promotional rubbish talking with a shameless arrogance all out of your stupid ignorance.

you should never assume that you are any superior here in regard to academic training or experience. just for your information, a person who visits this board often is a full professor teaching library and information science. is this enough for you or you want to hear more?

作者: Adelyn 時間: 2006-1-12 16:36
tell you the truth, i am very disappointed. up to this moment. all you have presented here is worthy of no more than a merely readable student paper and some ESL grammar nitpicking. can you give us some more that is really interesting to read about, and/or worthy of a serious discussion?

作者: montrealer 時間: 2006-1-12 21:54
Adelyn:
Presently, my position is librarian II approx. = assistant professor (3rd year). I don't know your position.
Your English writing can get B. Don't be angry. You lost your pretended elegance just because I didn't agree with you. Don't make yourself like a stupid fish.[/COLOR]

I list some bibliographies for you if you really want to improve your writing skills. I was not going to reply you just because you asked a lot of stupid funny questions.[/COLOR]

1. Lipson, Charles. [Chicago guides to writing, editing, and publishing] How to write a BA thesis : a practical guide from your first ideas to your finished paper / 2005  LB2369 L54 2005

2. Berry, Ralph, 1931- [Study guides (Routledge (Firm))] The research project : how to write it / 2004  LB2369 B38 2004

3.Author Bailey, Stephen.
Title Academic writing : a practical guide for students / Stephen Bailey.
Published Abingdon, Oxon, [England] : RoutledgeFalmer 2003.
Description vi, 192 p. : ill. ; 25 cm.

作者: montrealer 時間: 2006-1-12 21:58
look at these. all you have said is trivial, nitpicking, and self-promotional rubbish talking with a shameless arrogance all out of your stupid ignorance.
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If you disagree with me, just give your examples and references to prove it, you lost your pretended elegance. Be a MAN or WOMAN(upper case) ![/COLOR]

作者: montrealer 時間: 2006-1-12 22:10
"a person who visits this board often is a full professor teaching library and information science. is this enough for you or you want to hear more? "

I am quite busy. Let me tell you some quick facts. Not every university has library school in North America. (only 50 universities in USA+Canada, if yougo to http://www.ala.org/ala/accreditation/lisdirb/Alphaaccred.htm American Library Association, you will find a full list of all these 50 famous universities with accredited programs). A full-professor like at McGill (only two full-professors in McGill ---no. 1 university in canada, in university it is too difficult for a person to get this high-level position, most people finally can be promoted to associate professor) usually is the chair of some national committee or department (in this field, no native Chinese (can get) has got such high level position), Do you think he has time wasting on this garbage board? If he did come here, then he might have gone insane![/COLOR] I will be leaving very soon because I already found boring here. Don't fool yourself and your readers![/SIZE]

作者: montrealer 時間: 2006-1-13 01:24
montrealer: by accident, i posted my response at your place so the original posting was lost. but i have retained all your words and reposted exactly as they were below. what has been lost is your quotes of my words and part of the last chapter of li yang's lecture notes which you can easily find here. sorry for the inconveniences

I am quite busy. Let me tell you some quick facts. Not every university has library school in North America. (only 50 universities in USA+Canada, if yougo to http://www.ala.org/ala/accreditation/lisdirb/Alphaaccred.htm American Library Association, you will find a full list of all these 50 famous universities with accredited programs). A full-professor like at McGill (only two full-professors in McGill ---no. 1 university in canada, in university it is too difficult for a person to get this high-level position, most people finally can be promoted to associate professor) usually is the chair of some national committee or department (in this field, no native Chinese (can get) has got such high level position), Do you think he has time wasting on this garbage board? If he did come here, then he might have gone insane![/COLOR] I will be leaving very soon because I already found boring here. Don't fool yourself and your readers![/SIZE]

I don』t want to discourage you. Actually I already detected your bottom line of your language proficiency since you were so excited as just finishing masturbation to eager to post Li Yang』s garbage materials as you have found a precious thing.

Why did you explain in Chinese while you disagreed with my Chinese explanation?
The content is difficult for people who have any basic knowledge of English?[/SIZE]

After I criticized his speech, then you say:[/SIZE]

comments on 第十八拿手好戲：瘋狂演講專家真正超越自我.
below, i quoted each paragraph i commented on and put my comments behind a double arrow ">>". i greyed out my tentative versions of the same paragraphs of the speech. i used them just as "a bait" [/COLOR] for better versions. your versions and comments are very welcome.

Why? Do you think you have any right to come here to play other people as "a bait"? Do you think other people are as blinded as you that they would like to be played by you this unknown clown?
If I had not explained to you 「summary, abstract, review」 in Chinese, would you have understood the differences?
Don』t be silly, I told you. I left some space for your face but you lost the last chance[/COLOR]. It was not my fault.[/SIZE]

Conclusion:[/COLOR][/SIZE]

The monkey could be the king if there is no tiger in the mountain. To be your king, nobody really wants this position.
山中無老虎,猴子稱霸王.做個好"王"八!沒人稀罕要取代你!
---- I leave now. So you can attack me as possible as you can.[/COLOR][/SIZE]

作者: Adelyn 時間: 2006-1-13 05:24
you didn't respond to my request. you started your statement of disgrace over again. so i address the unpleasant feeling you have had.

"you can't teach an old dog new tricks." i have tried to raise the level of discussion in this thread by asking you questions about your paper. but look at what you have put in your answers! it's either trivial grammar nitpicking at an entrance ESL level or shameless self-promotional talks. what else can you do? you cry for pain!

you behaved like a spoiled brat. you cried for pain from the wounds you got in a verbal fight. you are so coward that when being challenged you hid away and shouted abuse from distance. this is not a debate, or a fight. i suspect that this is still a growing-up and i may have mistakenly assumed his experience due to a false impression caused by his constant self-promotion. i have tried to tell you the rules of engagement in the cyberspace that you can't assume a superior position and you won't be fully shielded by your anonymity. you have to use your verbal skills to win for even a totally harmless mud slinging. but you ignored my words and continued to cry for arrogance and disgrace. why did you do that?

montrealer, i can tell you that you are not a tiger, at least your are not now. if you do want to be a tiger, you should learn the way of a tiger, and you shouldn't cry for it. i know you hate to be a monkey. so please stop imitating what you saw and used to in your job. be yourself and learn to be an ordinary member in the virtual reality of the internet, which you may think of as an animal kingdom in disguise that observes the same jungle rules you should know.

i also want to tell you that here on this board we have people with significant achievements in their professions or academic studies, which none of them ever talked about. only you showed up as an exception. over and again, you used the opportunities you can find to brag yourself shamelessly. i wonder why you do this. now you have told me that you are an assistant librarian third year on your tenure track. you still have a long way to go. come back when you have got your tenure. good luck.

unlike what you have tried to make believe, i am not here for teaching others lessons (which is what you are doing to us as an untenured teaching faculty). rather, i am here to provide services to my folks, using a part of my spare time, so that i can feel being still connected to where i came from. i am here to give stimulations to those who have excused themselves and quit from working hard to improve their english. and your purpose being here is now quite clear to me-- as you did over and again in the past, this time, you only have repeated it, and as before, you state it, with your usual timidity, in the name of another person, adelyn. montrealer, if you do want to be a bold man, you must state your desire with your own name.

作者: montrealer 時間: 2006-1-14 01:40
I give you final advice using my lunch time. I was not going to comment your replies. It was too weak, no fact, no data, and no evidence. It is harmless for me. All words were full of your individual subjective mood. I assumed you might have had some psychological problems.

What I really wanted to say is I treated you as a net friend. I replied your questions in a very casual form (maybe it looks 「arrogance」 to you) since at the same time I was doing my regular work (I have full-time job). I didn』t see any 「
shameless arrogance」 from my answers to your questions. I could have simply politely answered like 「your rewriting was very very good」 if you really wanted to get this kind of pretended flatters in Internet. But it was no really good for you. I gave my reasons and analysis. I even listed my references and bibliographies for you.

If you see 「shameless arrogance」 in network, that』s your problem. I simply ignore it if I think somebody offends me. I don』t continue this 「talking」. That』s my way. Hope you don』t play a solo role on this board.

Don't take two sets of different standards applying for you and other people. As chairman Mao said " You treat others with Marxism but yourself with freedomlism" or an old saying " Only allow officials burning houses but forbid common people firing lamp".

I have ever and never forced other people to accept my values. And vice versa, I have ever and never accept other people's values. I have my own values. This is a democratic diverse world, especially in this cyber world. I don't care other people how to criticize me in this virtual word since I have never forced other people to accept my values. I just post and dicussed my values. This is a big difference! If you want to get respect, first respect other people even other people have some flaw. That's why I have successfully survived in diverse Canadian environment although I came from a rules-bounded dictatorship system. I believe that the difference between you and me is from the differences of values and backgrounds.

作者: Adelyn 時間: 2006-1-14 12:23
montrealer, here is my response to your posting on floor #33 where, again, you used vulgar words (which i made italic to illustrate) to express your bitter feeling about me.

[quote=montrealer on floor#33]
I am quite busy. Let me tell you some quick facts. Not every university has library school in North America. (only 50 universities in USA+Canada, if yougo to http://www.ala.org/ala/accreditation/lisdirb/Alphaaccred.htm American Library Association, you will find a full list of all these 50 famous universities with accredited programs). A full-professor like at McGill (only two full-professors in McGill ---no. 1 university in canada, in university it is too difficult for a person to get this high-level position, most people finally can be promoted to associate professor) usually is the chair of some national committee or department (in this field, no native Chinese (can get) has got such high level position), Do you think he has time wasting on this garbage board? If he did come here, then he might have gone insane![/COLOR] I will be leaving very soon because I already found boring here. Don't fool yourself and your readers![/SIZE]
[/quote]
can you stop bragging? yes. this professor may be an academic celebrity. but you are not. you are an untenured, unwashed, lower rank librarian in an unknown institute. come back to boast when you have obtained your tenure, good luck.[/COLOR]

[quote=montrealer on floor#33]
I don』t want to discourage you. Actually I already detected your bottom line of your language proficiency since you were so excited as just finishing [I]masturbation[/I] to eager to post Li Yang』s garbage materials as you have found a precious thing.

Why did you explain in Chinese while you disagreed with my Chinese explanation?
The content is difficult for people who have any basic knowledge of English?[/SIZE]
[/quote]
i won't explain to you where this posting of Li Yang's lecture notes came from. you can find who posted it. my stated opinion is that Li's 18 lecture notes are mostly good with only one chapter deficient. and Li said he was there to exemplify an observation that chinese are usually not good public speakers. he has the intelligence to know where he can be weak. do you have the same intelligence?

why don't you extend you comments to the other 17 chapters of Li's lecture notes, if you think you are so good? [/COLOR]

[quote=montrealer on floor#33]
After I criticized his speech, then you say:[/SIZE]

comments on 第十八拿手好戲：瘋狂演講專家真正超越自我.
below, i quoted each paragraph i commented on and put my comments behind a double arrow ">>". i greyed out my tentative versions of the same paragraphs of the speech. i used them just as "a bait" [/COLOR] for better versions. your versions and comments are very welcome.

Why? Do you think you have any right to come here to play other people as "a bait"? Do you think other people are as blinded as you that they would like to be played by you this unknown [I]clown[/I]?
If I had not explained to you 「summary, abstract, review」 in Chinese, would you have understood the differences?
Don』t be silly, I told you. I left some space for your face but you lost the last chance[/COLOR]. It was not my fault.[/SIZE]

Conclusion:[/COLOR][/SIZE]

The monkey could be the king if there is no tiger in the mountain. To be your king, nobody really wants this position.
山中無老虎,猴子稱霸王.做個好"王"八!沒人稀罕要取代你!
---- I leave now. So you can attack me as possible as you can.[/COLOR][/SIZE]
[/quote]
you are overly sensitive to think that i have treated you as "a bait". no, i always think you are as normal and can think as intelligently as any anonymous person on the internet. you have used this word "clown". it makes me smile. montrealer, the mirror is on the wall. just look into it!

montrealer, if you do want to pretend to be a lexicologist to explain on the internet what the differences are between "summary, abstract and review", why don't you first explain why you have chosen your stupid title of this thread?

what is the difference between a "概要" of a book and "a review of the main viewpoints" of a book? is this really an abstract as you have told us? will any journal editor accept your reading report as an abstract?

montrealer, i find you are as much shameless and unscrupulous when you speak chinese as when you speak english. now, i hear you crying for pain. is it because you hate me too much?
[/COLOR]

作者: montrealer 時間: 2006-1-14 12:47
montrealer, i find you are as much shameless and unscrupulous when you speak chinese as when you speak english. now, i hear you crying for pain. is it because you hate me too much?
---------you have not come back to your normal status just because you have been found you are so unknown in the field which you thought you were an expert!

Be wise, you haven't reached my student report level written 6 years ago. SB! why I wanted to hate you. Since no love, how can I have hate?[/SIZE] [:441:]

作者: montrealer 時間: 2006-1-14 12:50
用:
作者: montrealer on floor#33
I am quite busy. Let me tell you some quick facts. Not every university has library school in North America. (only 50 universities in USA+Canada, if yougo to http://www.ala.org/ala/accreditatio...Alphaaccred.htm American Library Association, you will find a full list of all these 50 famous universities with accredited programs). A full-professor like at McGill (only two full-professors in McGill ---no. 1 university in canada, in university it is too difficult for a person to get this high-level position, most people finally can be promoted to associate professor) usually is the chair of some national committee or department (in this field, no native Chinese (can get) has got such high level position), Do you think he has time wasting on this garbage board? If he did come here, then he might have gone insane! I will be leaving very soon because I already found boring here. Don't fool yourself and your readers!

can you stop bragging? yes. this professor may be an academic celebrity. but you are not. you are an untenured, unwashed, lower rank librarian in an unknown institute. come back to boast when you have obtained your tenure, good luck.
"a person who visits this board often is a full professor teaching library and information science. is this enough for you or you want to hear more? "

---------Prove you are a liar! [/SIZE]

作者: montrealer 時間: 2006-1-14 12:54
Just go to post your stuff. Don't shout here like a mad dog!![/SIZE]

作者: montrealer 時間: 2006-1-14 13:02
why don't you extend you comments to the other 17 chapters of Li's lecture notes, if you think you are so good?
--------- Every year I selected thousands of books from all over the world. His SHIT has no chance to be chosen by me. SB, my report was included in my collections published in Canada and this book was collected by many libraries. You can get the catalog in AMICUS.[/SIZE]

作者: montrealer 時間: 2006-1-14 13:25
montrealer, here is my response to your posting on floor #33 where, again, you used vulgar words (which i made italic to illustrate) to express your bitter feeling about me. [/COLOR]
--- Thanks, in exact word = "disregard" --- because of your behaviors[/SIZE]

All efforts of trying to communicate with you have been discarded. I will end this time-consuming unmeaningful boring "conversation" with you by here. [/SIZE]

作者: Adelyn 時間: 2006-1-14 13:42

I give you final advice using my lunch time. I was not going to comment your replies. It was too weak, no fact, no data, and no evidence. It is harmless for me. All words were full of your individual subjective mood. I assumed you might have had some psychological problems.

>> note: everyone here has more important things to do. it is you who repeatedly used vulgar words to insult me. it is you who has lost control and resorted to abusiveness. as far as i know, in an academic environment, if you are ever found using such vulgar language in class, you may end up typing up your resume.

What I really wanted to say is I treated you as a net friend. I replied your questions in a very casual form (maybe it looks 「arrogance」 to you) since at the same time I was doing my regular work (I have full-time job). I didn』t see any 「shameless arrogance」 from my answers to your questions. I could have simply politely answered like 「your rewriting was very very good」 if you really wanted to get this kind of pretended flatters in Internet. But it was no really good for you. I gave my reasons and analysis. I even listed my references and bibliographies for you.

>> no. you come here to extend your boring class teaching, to make fun out of other members of this board including me, only to please yourself.

>> you even don't know what it means to be friendly. your words are all there. go back to read them again. if you still can't get it, you need to grow up. i state it once again, you should never assume superiority to others anywhere on the internet, even if you are an untenured third-year librarian at an unknown place scrambling to defend your position for a reading report that "reviews the main viewpoints of a book" can be published on the internet as "a book's 概要=abstract".

>> my dear assistant librarian, you are quite good at using vular language. and you even cursed me like a witch. what makes you so full of hatred and disgrace?

If you see 「shameless arrogance」 in network, that』s your problem. I simply ignore it if I think somebody offends me. I don』t continue this 「talking」. That』s my way. Hope you don』t play a solo role on this board.

>> it is not important if you claim you can ignore a thing. you cannot deny that you have cried for pain. why did you feel the pain? how come you have got hurt?

Don't take two sets of different standards applying for you and other people. As chairman Mao said " You treat others with Marxism but yourself with freedomlism" or an old saying " Only allow officials burning houses but forbid common people firing lamp".

>> now that you have said it, read it again and think hard. i am glad you are closer to the answer now.

I have ever and never forced other people to accept my values. And vice versa, I have ever and never accept other people's values. I have my own values. This is a democratic diverse world, especially in this cyber world. I don't care other people how to criticize me in this virtual word since I have never forced other people to accept my values. I just post and dicussed my values. This is a big difference! If you want to get respect, first respect other people even other people have some flaw. That's why I have successfully survived in diverse Canadian environment although I came from a rules-bounded dictatorship system. I believe that the difference between you and me is from the differences of values and backgrounds.

>> you didn't force other people to accept your values. but you turned violent when you began feel unsatisfied with the attentions you got. you felt being ignored. you became angry at everyone here. you thought you had been an assistant librarian teaching a class to students. you wanted to teach classes here. you wanted everybody here to copy the image you saw today from the students in the classroom where you were.

>> but you forgot this is not a school or a classroom or even a library here. people come here for fun as much as you do. if you cannot accept others making fun at your expenses, why do you do this on them?

作者: Adelyn 時間: 2006-1-14 14:16

montrealer, i find you are as much shameless and unscrupulous when you speak chinese as when you speak english. now, i hear you crying for pain. is it because you hate me too much?
---------you have not come back to your normal status just because you have been found you are so unknown in the field which you thought you were an expert!

Be wise, you haven't reached my student report level written 6 years ago. SB! why I wanted to hate you. Since no love, how can I have hate?[/SIZE] [:441:]

>> first, you didn't answer my question!
>> second, i wonder why you sounded so miserable. who hurt you? montrealer, it is only one small cut on your face skin. you can't feel much pain.

作者: montrealer on floor#33
I am quite busy. Let me tell you some quick facts. Not every university has library school in North America. (only 50 universities in USA+Canada, if yougo to http://www.ala.org/ala/accreditatio...Alphaaccred.htm American Library Association, you will find a full list of all these 50 famous universities with accredited programs). A full-professor like at McGill (only two full-professors in McGill ---no. 1 university in canada, in university it is too difficult for a person to get this high-level position, most people finally can be promoted to associate professor) usually is the chair of some national committee or department (in this field, no native Chinese (can get) has got such high level position), Do you think he has time wasting on this garbage board? If he did come here, then he might have gone insane! I will be leaving very soon because I already found boring here. Don't fool yourself and your readers!

can you stop bragging? yes. this professor may be an academic celebrity. but you are not. you are an untenured, unwashed, lower rank librarian in an unknown institute. come back to boast when you have obtained your tenure, good luck.
"a person who visits this board often is a full professor teaching library and information science. is this enough for you or you want to hear more? "

---------Prove you are a liar! [/SIZE]

>> i didn't know you could be so quick to get lost. the celebrity professor was the McGill one you mentioned right above.
>> oops, i forgot you might well be the only person visiting us with an assistant librarian title.

why don't you extend you comments to the other 17 chapters of Li's lecture notes, if you think you are so good?
--------- Every year I selected thousands of books from all over the world. His SHIT has no chance to be chosen by me. SB, my report was included in my collections published in Canada and this book was collected by many libraries. You can get the catalog in AMICUS.[/SIZE]

>> yes. you do that by reading reviews and comments day in day out. what do you feel, my dear assistant librarian?
>> so, that could be why you are so disgraced and desperately in need of a change.

montrealer, here is my response to your posting on floor #33 where, again, you used vulgar words (which i made italic to illustrate) to express your bitter feeling about me.
--- Thanks, in exact word = "disregard" --- because of your behaviors

All efforts of trying to communicate with you have been discarded. I will end this time-consuming unmeaningful boring "conversation" with you by here.

>> my dear lonely folk, why do you want to tell me that you WANTED to disregard my words? what makes you so eager to come here to show your very junior rank in teaching?

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