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標題: 我們為什麼必須反對一神教 [列印本頁]

作者: KAJDT 時間: 2015-12-15 07:13
標題: 我們為什麼必須反對一神教
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我們為什麼必須反對一神教？因為他們要摧毀我們的世界，以迎來他們的末日天堂。伊斯蘭國就是為此而建。基督教也沒有好到哪去。

根據環球研究的一篇報道。超過數百萬福音派基督徒希望發動第三次世界大戰，以加速耶穌的到來。為了我們的生存，反對基督教，人人有責！

http://www.globalresearch.ca/mil ... second-coming/29362

Millions of Evangelical Christians Want to Start World War III … to Speed Up the Second Coming

Millions of Americans believe that Christ will not come again until Israel wipes out its competitors and there is widespread war in the Middle East. Some of these folks want to start a huge fire of war and death and destruction, so that Jesus comes quickly.

According to French President Chirac, Bush told him that the Iraq war was needed to bring on the apocalypse:

In Genesis and Ezekiel Gog and Magog are forces of the Apocalypse who are prophesied to come out of the north and destroy Israel unless stopped. The Book of Revelation took up the Old Testament prophesy:

「And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.」

Bush believed the time had now come for that battle, telling Chirac:

「This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people』s enemies before a New Age begins」…

There can be little doubt now that President Bush』s reason for launching the war in Iraq was, for him, fundamentally religious. He was driven by his belief that the attack on Saddam』s Iraq was the fulfilment of a Biblical prophesy in which he had been chosen to serve as the instrument of the Lord.

And British Prime Minister Tony Blair long-time mentor, advisor and confidante said:

「Tony』s Christian faith is part of him, down to his cotton socks. He believed strongly at the time, that intervention in Kosovo, Sierra Leone – Iraq too – was all part of the Christian battle; good should triumph over evil, making lives better.」

Mr Burton, who was often described as Mr Blair』s mentor, says that his religion gave him a 「total belief in what』s right and what』s wrong」, leading him to see the so-called War on Terror as 「a moral cause」…

Anti-war campaigners criticised remarks Mr Blair made in 2006, suggesting that the decision to go to war in Iraq would ultimately be judged by God.

Bill Moyers reports that the organization Christians United for Israel – led by highly-influential Pastor John C. Hagee – is a universal call to all Christians to help factions in Israel fund the Jewish settlements, throw out all the Palestinians and lobby for a pre-emptive invasion of Iran. All to bring Russia into a war against us causing World War III followed by Armageddon, the Second Coming and The Rapture. See this and this.

This all revolves around what is called Dispensationalism. So popular is Dispensationalism that Tim LaHaye』s Left Behind series has sold 65 million copies.

Dispensationalists include the following mega-pastors and their churches:

Jerry Falwell

Pat Robertson

Billy Graham

They are supported by politicians such as:

Newt Gingrich

Joseph Lieberman

John McCain

Texas Senator John Cronyn

Former House Minority Whip Roy Blunt

Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay

And others

As professor emeritus of history Paul S. Boyer notes:

Abundant evidence makes clear that millions of Americans — upwards of 40 percent, according to some widely publicized national polls — do, indeed, believe that Bible prophecies detail a specific sequence of end-times events. According to the most popular prophetic system, premillennial dispensationalism … the Islamic world is allied against God and faces annihilation in the last days. That view is actually a very ancient one in Christian eschatology. Medieval prophecy expounders saw Islam as the demonic force whose doom is foretold in Scripture.

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The prophecy magazine Midnight Call warmly endorsed a fierce attack on Islam by Franklin Graham (son of Billy) and summed up Graham』s case in stark terms: 「Islam is an evil religion.」 In Lindsey』s 1996 prophecy novel, 「Blood Moon,」 Israel, in retaliation for a planned nuclear attack by an Arab extremist, launches a massive thermonuclear assault on the entire Arab world. Genocide, in short, becomes the ultimate means of prophetic fulfillment.

Dr. Timothy Webber – an evangelical Christian who has served as a teacher of church history and the history of American religion at Denver Seminary and Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Vice-President at Northern Baptist Theological Seminary in Lombard, IL, and President of Memphis Theological Seminary in Tennessee – explains:

In a recent Time/CNN poll, more than one-third of Americans said that since the terrorist attacks of 9/11, they have been thinking more about how current events might be leading to the end of the world.

While only 36 percent of all Americans believe that the Bible is God』s Word and should be taken literally, 59 percent say they believe that events predicted in the Book of Revelation will come to pass. Almost one out of four Americans believes that 9/11 was predicted in the Bible, and nearly one in five believes that he or she will live long enough to see the end of the world. Even more significant for this study,over one-third of those Americans who support Israel report that they do so because they believe the Bible teaches that the Jews must possess their own country in the Holy Land before Jesus can return.

Millions of Americans believe that the Bible predicts the future and that we are living in the last days. Their beliefs are rooted in dispensationalism, a particular way of understanding the Bible』s prophetic passages, especially those in Daniel and Ezekiel in the Old Testament and the Book of Revelation in the New Testament. They make up about one-third of America』s 40 or 50 million evangelical Christians and believe that the nation of Israel will play a central role in the unfolding of end-times events. In the last part of the 20th century, dispensationalist evangelicals become Israel』s best friends-an alliance that has made a serious geopolitical difference.

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Starting in the 1970s, dispensationalists broke into the popular culture with runaway best-sellers, and a well-networked political campaign to promote and protect the interests of Israel. Since the mid-1990s, tens of millions of people who have never seen a prophetic chart or listened to a sermon on the second coming have read one or more novels in the Left Behind series, which has become the most effective disseminator of dispensationalist ideas ever.

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During the early 1980s the Israeli Ministry of Tourism recruited evangelical religious leaders for free 「familiarization」 tours. In time, hundreds of evangelical pastors got free trips to the Holy Land. The purpose of such promotional tours was to enable people of even limited influence to experience Israel for themselves and be shown how they might bring their own tour group to Israel. The Ministry of Tourism was interested in more than tourist dollars: here was a way of building a solid corps of non-Jewish supporters for Israel in the United States by bringing large numbers of evangelicals to hear and see Israel』s story for themselves. The strategy caught on.

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Shortly after the Six-Day War, elements within the Israeli government saw the potential power of the evangelical subculture and began to mobilize it as a base of support that could influence American foreign policy. The Israeli government sent Yona Malachy of its Department of Religious Affairs to the United States to study American fundamentalismand its potential as an ally of Israel. Malachy was warmly received by fundamentalistsand was able to influence some of them to issue strong pro-Israeli manifestos. By the mid-1980s, there was a discernible shift in the Israeli political strategy. The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), the Jewish state』s major lobbying group in Washington, D.C., started re-aligning itself with the American political right-wing, including Christian conservatives. Israel』s timing was perfect. It began working seriously with American dispensationalists at the precise moment that American fundamentalists and evangelicals were discovering their political voice.

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Probably the largest pro-Israel organization of its kind is the National Unity Coalition for Israel, which was founded by a Jewish woman who learned how to get dispensationalist support. NUCI opposes 「the establishment of a Palestinian state within the borders of Israel.」

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In their commitment to keep Israel strong and moving in directions prophesied by the Bible, dispensationalists are supporting some of the most dangerous elements in Israeli society. They do so because such political and religious elements seem to conform to dispensationalist beliefs about what is coming next for Israel. By lending their support-both financial and spiritual-to such groups, dispensationalists are helping the future they envision come to pass.

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Dispensationalists believe that the Temple is coming too; and their convictions have led them to support the aims and actions of what most Israelis believe are the most dangerous right-wing elements in their society, people whose views make any compromise necessary for lasting peace impossible. Such sentiments do not matter to the believers in Bible prophecy, for whom the outcome of the quarrelsome issue of the Temple Mount has already been determined by God.

Since the end of the Six-Day War, then, dispensationalists have increasingly moved from observers to participant-observers. They have acted consistently with their convictions about the coming Last Days in ways that make their prophecies appear to be self-fulfilling.

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As Paul Boyer has pointed out, dispensationalism has effectively conditioned millions of Americans to be somewhat passive about the future and provided them with lenses through which to understand world events. Thanks to the sometimes changing perspectives of their Bible teachers, dispensationalists are certain that trouble in the Middle East is inevitable, that nations will war against nations, and that the time is coming when millions of people will die as a result of nuclear war, the persecution of Antichrist, or as a result of divine judgment. Striving for peace in the Middle East is a hopeless pursuit with no chance of success.

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For the dispensational community, the future is determined. The Bible』s prophecies are being fulfilled with amazing accuracy and rapidity. They do not believe that the Road Map will-or should-succeed. According to the prophetic texts, partitioning is not in Israel』s future, even if the creation of a Palestinian state is the best chance for peace in the region. Peace is nowhere prophesied for the Middle East, until Jesus comes and brings it himself. The worse thing that the United States, the European Union, Russia, and the United Nations can do is force Israel to give up land for a peace that will never materialize this side of the second coming. Anyone who pushes for peace in such a manner is ignoring or defying God』s plan for the end of the age.

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It seems clear that dispensationalism is on a roll, that its followers feel they are riding the wave of history into the shore of God』s final plan. Why should they climb back into the stands when being on the field of play is so much more fun and apparently so beneficial to the game』s outcome? As [one dispensationalist group's] advertisement read, 「Don』t just read about prophecy when you can be part of it.」

Atheist War Hawks Manipulate Believers to Beat the Drums of War

Leo Strauss is the father of the Neo-Conservative movement, including many leaders of the current administration.

Indeed, many of the main neocon players – including Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Stephen Cambone, Elliot Abrams, and Adam Shulsky – were students of Strauss at the University of Chicago, where he taught for many years.

The people pushing for war against Iran are the same neocons who pushed for war against Iraq. See thisand this. (They planned both wars at least 20 years ago.) For example, Shulsky was the director of the Office of Special Plans – the Pentagon unit responsible for selling false intelligence regarding Iraq』s weapons of mass. He is now a member of the equivalent organization targeting Iran: the Iranian Directorate.

Strauss, born in Germany, was an admirer of Nazi philosophers and of Machiavelli. Strauss believed that a stable political order required an external threat and that if an external threat did not exist, one should be manufactured. Specifically, Strauss thought that:

A political order can be stable only if it is united by an external threat . . . . Following Machiavelli, he maintained that if no external threat exists then one has to be manufactured

(the quote is by one of Strauss』 main biographers).

Indeed, Stauss used the analogy of Gulliver』s Travels to show what a Neocon-run society would look like:

「When Lilliput [the town] was on fire, Gulliver urinated over the city, including the palace. In so doing, he saved all of Lilliput from catastrophe, but the Lilliputians were outraged and appalled by such a show of disrespect.」 (this quote also from the same biographer)

Moreover, Strauss said:

Only a great fool would call the new political science diabolic . . . Nevertheless one may say of it that it fiddles while Rome burns. It is excused by two facts: it does not know that it fiddles, and it does not know that Rome burns.

So Strauss seems to have advocated governments letting terrorizing catastrophes happen on one』s own soil to one』s own people — of 「pissing」 on one』s own people, to use his Gulliver』s travel analogy. And he advocates that government』s should pretend that they did not know about such acts of mayhem: to intentionally 「not know」 that Rome is burning. He advocates messing with one』s own people in order to save them from some 「catastophe」 (perhaps to justify military efforts to monopolize middle eastern oil to keep it away from our real threat — an increasingly-powerful China?).

What does this have to do with religion?

Strauss taught that religion should be used as a way to manipulate people to achieve the aims of the leaders. But that the leaders themselves need not believe in religion.

As Wikipedia notes:

In the late 1990s Irving Kristol and other writers in neoconservative magazines began touting anti-Darwinist views, in support of intelligent design. Since these neoconservatives were largely of secular backgrounds, a few commentators have speculated that this – along with support for religion generally – may have been a case of a 「noble lie」, intended to protect public morality, or even tactical politics, to attract religious supporters.

So is it any surprise that the folks who planned war against Iraq and Iran at least 20 years ago are pushing religious disinformation to stir up the evangelical community?

Conservative Christians were the biggest backers of the Iraq war. And the Neocons are catering to them to try to talk them into supporting war with Iran, as well.

I』ve recently seen a swarm of spam claiming that all Muslims are evil, that they want to take over the world and establish a Muslim caliphate, and that they want to nuke Iran. They misquote Muslims and use false statements to try to stir up religious hatred.

They are simply using the Straussian playbook: stir up religious sentiment – even if you are personally an atheist – to create and demonize an 「enemy」, to promote the war that you want to launch.

Not a Problem with a Particular Religion … But of Immaturity

Most Americans confuse Zionism and Judaism. But many devout Jews are against Zionism, and Zionists can be Christian.

And as I』ve repeatedly noted, fundamentalist Jews, Christians, Muslims and Hindus are all very much alike, and often willing to use violence to spread their ideology … while more spiritually mature Jews, Christians, Muslims and Hindus are all much more tolerant and peaceful than their evangelical brothers:

As Christian writer and psychiatrist M. Scott Peck explained, there are different stages of spiritual maturity. Fundamentalism – whether it be Muslim, Christian, Jewish or Hindu fundamentalism – is an immature stage of development. There are peaceful, contemplative Muslim sects – think the poet Rumi the poet and Sufis – and violent sects, just as there are contemplative Christian orders and violent Christian groups (and peaceful and violent atheists).

While there are certainly some Arab terrorists, Islam cannot be blamed for their barbaric murderous actions, just as Christianity cannot be blamed  for the Norwegian Christian terrorist – Anders Behring Breivik』s actions.

University of Chicago professor Robert A. Pape – who specializes in international security affairs – points out:

Extensive research into the causes of suicide terrorism proves Islam isn』t to blame — the root of the problem is foreign military occupations.

The 9/11 hijackers used cocaine and drank alcohol, slept with prostitutes and attended strip clubs … but they did not worship at any mosque. See this, this, this, this, this, this, this, and this. So they were not really Muslims.

And even atheists like Stalin can be terrorists, or at least genocidal maniacs.

Indeed, all religions teach compassion, love and the Golden Rule.  Likewise, atheism teaches respect for the individual,  the most good for the most people, and helping everyone reach their human potential.

Some within each philosophy follow these teachings, and others want to kill everyone who doesn』t agree with them. The issue is not really the label of this religion or that, but of maturity and  true spirituality and compassion.

作者: 隔岸觀火 時間: 2015-12-17 07:15
馬克思至少承認有物質有矛盾的兩面性，而其實我們生活的空間是三維。所以，「一神」論是沒有基石的，但如果以三維空間集於一個地球作為對應的話，「三位一體」似乎也還有客觀依據。

作者: KAJDT 時間: 2015-12-17 23:08

隔岸觀火發表於 2015-12-17 07:15
馬克思至少承認有物質有矛盾的兩面性，而其實我們生活的空間是三維。所以，「一神」論是沒有基石的，但如果 ...

人類對自然的認知，只能是根據現有的科學手段。據此，沒有任何證據表明有神。至於人格化的唯一真神，就更是人的杜撰。因為一神，所以排他，容易走火入魔。必須反對。

作者: 隔岸觀火 時間: 2015-12-18 02:12

KAJDT 發表於 2015-12-17 10:08
人類對自然的認知，只能是根據現有的科學手段。據此，沒有任何證據表明有神。至於人格化的唯一真神， ...

科學手段不斷完善，但訖今都不完善，還有很大發展空間。但一個不爭的事實，科學越發展，人類離神也越遠。這就是為什麼很多神話都出現在不發達的古代。

作者: KAJDT 時間: 2015-12-18 03:53

隔岸觀火發表於 2015-12-18 02:12
科學手段不斷完善，但訖今都不完善，還有很大發展空間。但一個不爭的事實，科學越發展，人類離神也越遠。 ...

發展空間是無窮大的，但人類能力終究有限。人類知識的積累，已經足以使人意思到，人類迄今為止所說的神，都是有限的大腦想象出來的。也許宇宙中真有超出人類的「神」，但絕不會是耶和華，安拉，如來。

作者: 拎不清 時間: 2015-12-19 00:49

隔岸觀火發表於 2015-12-17 07:15
馬克思至少承認有物質有矛盾的兩面性，而其實我們生活的空間是三維。所以，「一神」論是沒有基石的，但如果 ...

三維是不可能和一維做出一對一的連續的對應的。要保持連續性就得放棄一對一的對應，保持一對一的對應究得放棄連續性沒有了連續，就成不了關係。沒有了關係，對應究失去意義。

作者: 拎不清 時間: 2015-12-19 01:05

KAJDT 發表於 2015-12-18 03:53
發展空間是無窮大的，但人類能力終究有限。人類知識的積累，已經足以使人意思到，人類迄今為止所說的 ...

美國有部電影是說一個人被一場雨淋著了，就產生了不斷的變小的作用，這就產生一個生存的問題，在他漸漸變小的過程，發生了各種各樣的怪事，例如為了一粒麵包屑和蒼蠅大戰，最後他是進入了原始森林中，其實就是他家的後花園的一顆雜草中，故事也就無·1法下去了。如果反過來人不斷的變大，故事也只能他大到神那樣有本事也就進行不了了。神就是這樣來的。人大腦的產物。

作者: 隔岸觀火 時間: 2015-12-20 23:01

KAJDT 發表於 2015-12-17 14:53
發展空間是無窮大的，但人類能力終究有限。人類知識的積累，已經足以使人意思到，人類迄今為止所說的 ...

這是你的認識。不過這個世界終究不是人類所造，人類只能發現和探索這個世界，並且把這些發現的探索積累起來。但這個世界如此精妙，應該是有創造者的，只是人類的渺小，才無法看到這個神。

作者: KAJDT 時間: 2016-1-5 02:52

拎不清發表於 2015-12-19 01:05
美國有部電影是說一個人被一場雨淋著了，就產生了不斷的變小的作用，這就產生一個生存的問題，在他漸漸變 ...

有神論者是不會承認這一點的。他們把他們的神想象的偉大無比，連任何證據都不需要。但他們忘了，這個神，只存在於他們的想象中！

作者: KAJDT 時間: 2016-1-5 02:58

隔岸觀火發表於 2015-12-20 23:01
這是你的認識。不過這個世界終究不是人類所造，人類只能發現和探索這個世界，並且把這些發現的探索積累起 ...

這個世界如此精妙，應該是有創造者的。這句話已經被基督徒應用爛了。那創造者豈不是更精妙？誰又是他們的創造者呢？這成了一個無限循環問題。

反過來，這世界有哪裡精妙了，對誰精妙？宇宙之大，人類能夠活動的空間如此狹小。宇宙對人類簡直就是殘酷，哪裡有精妙可言？

作者: 隔岸觀火 時間: 2016-1-6 01:04

KAJDT 發表於 2016-1-4 13:58
這個世界如此精妙，應該是有創造者的。這句話已經被基督徒應用爛了。那創造者豈不是更精妙？誰又是他們 ...

基督徒說了一萬句不靠譜的胡言亂語，可能就這句是真理。就像馬克思認為世界是物質的，物質有矛盾的兩面性一樣，都是真理之言，只不過他違背了真理，他的共產主義社會是建立在一個階級消滅另一個階級這樣沒有矛盾兩面性的社會，所以無法實現。基督徒也一樣，他們說的並不句句是謬論，但也並代表他們認同他們自己說的真理，比如，他們信仰處女生子，但反對同性戀，理由是同性婚姻不能生子。這說明他們骨子眼裡相信處女不能生子，同理，他們想8信仰神造天地，但骨子眼裡相信人造天地，這就是為什麼，教皇到美國要奧巴馬改變氣候，因為他相信奧巴馬比上帝跟切實地能影響天氣。而教皇本人的存在更證明了「神(教皇)造天地，而教皇是民選的，所以是民造天地」這樣的理論邏輯。是很奇葩，但也是人家民主的基石不是嗎？

作者: 隔岸觀火 時間: 2016-1-6 01:08

拎不清發表於 2015-12-18 11:49
三維是不可能和一維做出一對一的連續的對應的。要保持連續性就得放棄一對一的對應，保持一對一的對應究得 ...

你都找不到方向，只是單純抬杠。問你一個問題，這世界上哪些物質屬於一維的？答不上來了吧，先拎拎清楚有沒有一維世界？

作者: 隔岸觀火 時間: 2016-1-6 01:24

KAJDT 發表於 2016-1-4 13:58
這個世界如此精妙，應該是有創造者的。這句話已經被基督徒應用爛了。那創造者豈不是更精妙？誰又是他們 ...

這個世界不精妙嗎？為什麼一年的天數是固定的，為什麼一分鐘為60秒，60分為一小時，為什麼人只有男女，沒有兩性以外的人。
你看不到神是因為你站在地球上尚且看不到地球全貌，更何況創造地球的創造者。但你不能因為看不到地球就認為地球不存在，同理，你不能因為看不到地球的創造者而認為創造者不存在。
如果你一定認為地球是自己有的，不是誰創造的，那就等於承認有一個自有永有的神存在。

作者: KAJDT 時間: 2016-1-6 02:32

隔岸觀火發表於 2016-1-6 01:24
這個世界不精妙嗎？為什麼一年的天數是固定的，為什麼一分鐘為60秒，60分為一小時，為什麼人只有男女，沒 ...

第一，一年的天數不是固定的。你忘了為什麼有閏年？
第二，人也不是只分男女。有兩性人，還有兩性動物。
第三，我不僅能夠看到地球，我還能看到宇宙。正是這種遠見，使我對人類基於自己的無知而臆想出來的神不屑一顧！
第四，地球不可以自有永有。神，當然更不行！

作者: 拎不清 時間: 2016-1-8 01:25

隔岸觀火發表於 2016-1-6 01:24
這個世界不精妙嗎？為什麼一年的天數是固定的，為什麼一分鐘為60秒，60分為一小時，為什麼人只有男女，沒 ...

當人們在北極能生活下去，那裡就不是一太難24小時了，那裡一年就二天了。世上有既是男也是女的人，問題是什麼人是男，是女？地球是有產生和消失的。任何東西都有產生和消失，任何東西都是有限這二條是絕對真理。所以神是不存在的。

作者: 隔岸觀火 時間: 2016-1-21 02:37

拎不清發表於 2016-1-7 12:25
當人們在北極能生活下去，那裡就不是一太難24小時了，那裡一年就二天了。世上有既是男也是女的人，問題是 ...

神肯定存在，只是你看不到。就象你看不到空氣一樣。至於一年有兩天還是有四季，這只是參照系不同，但地球還是在按一定的規律轉動。就象馬克思說的，物質世界是運動的，運動是永恆的，不動是相對的。牛頓就認為，物質世界的這種運動性不是他的萬有引力推動的，是上帝推動的。雖然他不是基督徒，他也這麼認為。

作者: 隔岸觀火 時間: 2016-1-21 02:44

KAJDT 發表於 2016-1-5 13:32
第一，一年的天數不是固定的。你忘了為什麼有閏年？
第二，人也不是只分男女。有兩性人，還有兩性動 ...

確實一年的天數不完全固定，因為有餘數，所以會有閏月，但這不代表沒有規律，規律就是每四年一個閏月。這就是說一年的天數不是雜亂無章的。

作者: 隔岸觀火 時間: 2016-1-21 02:54

KAJDT 發表於 2016-1-5 13:32
第一，一年的天數不是固定的。你忘了為什麼有閏年？
第二，人也不是只分男女。有兩性人，還有兩性動 ...

兩性人當然有，就是亞當，他是土造的，「土」為正負相合，兩性人也。但這又能說明什麼，經里已經說了，他是你不承認的神造的。你還是不能證明沒神。

作者: KAJDT 時間: 2016-1-21 03:46

隔岸觀火發表於 2016-1-21 02:54
兩性人當然有，就是亞當，他是土造的，「土」為正負相合，兩性人也。但這又能說明什麼，經里已經說了，他 ...

我不需要證明沒神，沒有的東西怎麼證明？

你說有，你證明給我看呀！擺布經不是證明。

作者: 隔岸觀火 時間: 2016-1-22 23:14

KAJDT 發表於 2016-1-20 14:46
我不需要證明沒神，沒有的東西怎麼證明？

你說有，你證明給我看呀！擺布經不是證明。 ...

你看不見的東西不代表沒有。我前面已經列舉了很多，不需要再證什麼了。

作者: KAJDT 時間: 2016-1-23 03:07

隔岸觀火發表於 2016-1-22 23:14
你看不見的東西不代表沒有。我前面已經列舉了很多，不需要再證什麼了。 ...

當然，我看不見不等於沒有，科學嶄時觀測不到也不能否定。但存在的東西，沒有與已知科學理論矛盾的。比如，死而復活，比如處女生子，比如把人變成鹽柱子，會說話的蛇，等等。這些都是騙人的，創造這些的神，能是真的嗎？

作者: 拎不清 時間: 2016-2-3 02:26

隔岸觀火發表於 2016-1-22 23:14
你看不見的東西不代表沒有。我前面已經列舉了很多，不需要再證什麼了。 ...

神是什麼玩意兒？你不知道的東西就說有神？人不知道天上為何有雷聲，就說有個雷神，不知為何有閃光，就說有個電母。結果後來的人知道了也就不相信有雷神，電母了。看來認為有神的人還停在古時后沒醒過來。我昨天晚上聽到天上的風吹得呼呼的響。這是不是許多神在吵架。在相互咒罵？

作者: sumw 時間: 2016-2-25 03:50

隔岸觀火發表於 2016-1-6 01:04
基督徒說了一萬句不靠譜的胡言亂語，可能就這句是真理。就像馬克思認為世界是物質的，物質有矛盾的兩面性 ...

千萬勿要跟信徒談「理論邏輯」，在國外想多認識新朋友，只能去教會，佛堂

作者: hellman 時間: 2016-2-26 10:09

作者: 隔岸觀火 時間: 2016-3-1 00:31

KAJDT 發表於 2016-1-22 14:07
當然，我看不見不等於沒有，科學嶄時觀測不到也不能否定。但存在的東西，沒有與已知科學理論矛盾的。 ...

所以是神話故事，寓言故事，只是你當真了。這裡面有寓意，只是你不懂，比如耶穌為什麼能死而復活，因為他死在十字架上。與與十字架一起死可以構成「醉」,所以他復活了。
那麼為什麼他要三天復活，而不是象孫悟空那樣說死就死，說活就活呢，因為「三」,如果從中切開，就成了兩個三，即「三三」,這就是為什麼耶穌33歲上十字架。
由於「三」被切開導致三條線中間各有一個斷點，每個斷點相當於一個雞蛋，也就是「雞犢」,三個雞犢就是30,由於雞是第十個生肖，所以30就是「三十」,這就是為什麼耶穌上十字架還要帶兩個強盜，光他一個人是不夠的。這三個人一起上十字架受死，他們共計有三條舌頭，又可構成「活」字。所以耶穌帶兩個強盜上十字架是可以死而復活的。
只是「復活」音通「腹活」，耶穌也暗示過，人復活后也不吃也不喝，也不婚也不嫁，這指的是胎兒。人死投胎的信仰，中國的文化和宗教也有，並不是基督教唯一的信仰。
篇幅有限，我只能先談這個，其它困惑相信你也能解，總之不要把它當真事，只當真理，從文字數字上去琢磨就是了。

作者: KAJDT 時間: 2016-3-1 02:35

隔岸觀火發表於 2016-3-1 00:31
所以是神話故事，寓言故事，只是你當真了。這裡面有寓意，只是你不懂，比如耶穌為什麼能死而復活，因為他 ...

佩服你講故事的能力。但，歸根結底是故事，不是事實。遠志明的舟八口，還真有繼承人。

作者: 隔岸觀火 時間: 2016-3-1 21:55

sumw 發表於 2016-2-24 14:50
千萬勿要跟信徒談「理論邏輯」，在國外想多認識新朋友，只能去教會，佛堂 ...

我就沒有認識朋友的興趣。要朋友幹嘛？中國人聚在一起就是相互攀比，相互攻擊，特別是教會，那些信徒明明自己削尖腦袋留在美國，還大罵別人不愛國，到網上一副特務的樣子，很可怕的。

作者: 隔岸觀火 時間: 2016-3-1 22:01

KAJDT 發表於 2016-2-29 13:35
佩服你講故事的能力。但，歸根結底是故事，不是事實。遠志明的舟八口，還真有繼承人。 ...

我從來沒說那是事實，都是寓言故事。就象佛教也有很多故事，都是為老和尚要講道理做鋪設，只不過聖經故事道理深奧一些。但也未必不是神造世界的原理，也許我們都是有過去的死人復活而來，只是我們不知道，由聖經告訴我們而已。

作者: KAJDT 時間: 2016-3-1 22:34

隔岸觀火發表於 2016-3-1 22:01
我從來沒說那是事實，都是寓言故事。就象佛教也有很多故事，都是為老和尚要講道理做鋪設，只不過聖經故事 ...

你如果說聖經知識比喻，在講故事，我沒什麼不同意。但大部分基督徒會反對你。

作者: 催肥 時間: 2016-3-11 19:38
很簡單，因為一神教反對我們

作者: KAJDT 時間: 2016-3-11 22:52

催肥發表於 2016-3-11 19:38
很簡單，因為一神教反對我們

作者: 隔岸觀火 時間: 2016-3-29 20:10
其實沒有真正意義上的一神教。回教我沒接觸過，但基督教除了拜聖父、聖子、聖靈、聖母、教皇、聖塔(聖誕老人)、兔子雞蛋(復活節)、各種小鬼(萬聖節)等等，還承認穆斯林信的是一神教，並且承認穆斯林信的一神與自己信的一神不是同一神，這就等於承認世界上有多神，各種宗教的差別只在於你是選其一位來信還是同時信所有神的問題，並不是絕對意義上的信一神。

作者: 隔岸觀火 時間: 2016-3-31 01:49

KAJDT 發表於 2016-3-1 09:34
你如果說聖經知識比喻，在講故事，我沒什麼不同意。但大部分基督徒會反對你。

...

我並不想取悅基督徒，他們反對也拿不出理由，因為他們中的大部分人都不看聖經，或者只讀使徒語錄，連福音書都不看。

作者: KAJDT 時間: 2016-4-5 02:07

隔岸觀火發表於 2016-3-31 01:49
我並不想取悅基督徒，他們反對也拿不出理由，因為他們中的大部分人都不看聖經，或者只讀使徒語錄，連福音 ...

大部分，是生來如此。

作者: 隔岸觀火 時間: 2016-5-7 00:10

拎不清發表於 2016-2-2 13:26
神是什麼玩意兒？你不知道的東西就說有神？人不知道天上為何有雷聲，就說有個雷神，不知為何有閃光，就說 ...

我不認為耶穌是神，但神是存在的。只是你看不見。在但以理書第三章，巴比倫王尼布甲尼撒造了一個沒有長度的金像。我們一般把L代表長度(Length)，而金的英語為GOLD，去掉L就成了GOD(神)，而「去掉L"可以用LX這個符號，這是與GOD等同的，而Lx為羅馬數字60，也就是6個0,即000000, 所以，聖經里，參孫被剪頭髮，耶和華就離開他了。說明他是黑頭髮。

作者: KAJDT 時間: 2016-5-10 01:17

隔岸觀火發表於 2016-5-7 00:10
我不認為耶穌是神，但神是存在的。只是你看不見。在但以理書第三章，巴比倫王尼布甲尼撒造了一個沒有長度 ...

古巴比倫講English？

作者: 隔岸觀火 時間: 2016-5-10 21:17

KAJDT 發表於 2016-5-9 12:17
古巴比倫講English？

這個還真不清楚。但巴比倫王尼布甲尼撒又得一夢。夢到一顆大樹被砍倒，那樹墩留在地上被銅圈和鐵圈箍著。這就暗示了一個地名：倫敦。而鐵為26號化學元素，英語有26個字母。而英國的國旗為「米」字。

作者: KAJDT 時間: 2016-5-10 22:35

隔岸觀火發表於 2016-5-10 21:17
這個還真不清楚。但巴比倫王尼布甲尼撒又得一夢。夢到一顆大樹被砍倒，那樹墩留在地上被銅圈和鐵圈箍著。 ...

你可真夠逗的！真替你的神悲哀！

作者: 隔岸觀火 時間: 2016-5-12 23:34

KAJDT 發表於 2016-5-10 09:35
你可真夠逗的！真替你的神悲哀！

上帝把智慧放在各樣文字，所以，夢是很重要的。

作者: KAJDT 時間: 2016-5-13 02:00

隔岸觀火發表於 2016-5-12 23:34
上帝把智慧放在各樣文字，所以，夢是很重要的。

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